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Boys U16...soon to be U17-Top 20 5 1

[boysrankingking]

1 - Crossfire
2 - Eastside
3 - WPFC
4 - NWN
5 - ECFC
6 - Timbers
7 - GRFC
8 - River City Steelers
9 - Sun City
10 - Crossfire
11 - harbor
12 - WPFC
13 - SSC elite
14 - HP Heat
15 - FCV
16 - Shadow
17 - Evergreen
18 - Crossfire
19 - FWU Storm
20 - Westsound

[Squash]

1 - Crossfire
2 - Eastside
3 - WPFC
4 - NWN
5 - ECFC
6 - Timbers
7 - GRFC
8 - River City Steelers
9 - Sun City
10 - Crossfire
11 - harbor
12 - WPFC
13 - SSC elite
14 - HP Heat
15 - FCV
16 - Shadow
17 - Evergreen
18 - Crossfire
19 - FWU Storm
20 - Westsound

I would definitely agree with 1 and after that ummm

[Black Knight]

i'm personally glad to see some boys rankings... I say go for it, lets start some blah blah blah on the boys side.

[Squash]

I would probably rank WPFC number 2, regardless of if they have lost a game in league already this year. Oh and I think 18 for my C team is too low but only because a few teams above us we have beaten. I think we are possible in the top 16, so really i can't complain about 18 for a 3rd team from a club.

It's tough to judge some of the teams because the PDL tier 2 and 3 are very similar in teams. It would be hard to argue 2 being that much stronger than tier 3 when tier 3 has Kitsap, whatcom, federal way, and FC Vancouver/WSA A teams, Eastside B and my team in it ....with tier 2 having Evergreen, Harbor, Sun City, WPFC B, GRFC, and Highline.

I guess at the end of the year we'll have a better idea. I do however think there are some fine teams at this age. Also lots of different styles of play that at times create some real challenging games or odd matchups.

[Quiller]

My list of BU-13 is as follows.

Crossfire-McCormick
Eastside
GRFC
NWN Red
WPFC
Sun City Strikers
Emerald City
Columbia Timbers
Colibri
Pacific Premier
Gunners
River City
Crossfire Leeming
Spokane
NWN Blue
Wenatchee Fire
Crossfire Squash
Harbor
Whatcom
HPFC Heat

Have seen all teams play but River City (heard good things about them), Harbor and Whatcom.  GRFC is the team that has impressed the most (besides McCormick's team of course).  If you don't go into the game with GRFC with an attitude of kill or be killed you will lose.  They are very aggressive (yes quite dirty) and very tenacious.  There fun to watch but a bear to play against.  Sun City seems to be a better all around team than GRFC but they don't have the superstar power that GRFC has.  NWN Red is the sleeping giant of the group and if they can put it together then watch out.  Very talented team but sometimes doesn't play with a sense of purpose.  I think the Gunners got the short end of the stick being placed in the 3rd division.  Great offense but suspect defense, they will move up for the spring season.  NWN Blue being in the 5th division is an absolute travesty and will definately be making a move up to higher divisions come spring. 

[Squash]

NW National Blue? We have beat them every time we have played them........ not by a little a lot.

I know we all have opinions but you missed that by a mile. Unless they have made major changes they should not be on your list. Last time we played it was 8-0 i believe but they could be way better i have not seen them play this year.

I did want to add i have heard GRFC has a very good team and an outstanding forward.....sort of a man child right now, who at times has his way up front. Good for them because 2 years ago at this age their team was a definite unknown

[Quiller]

Yeah they aren't the same team as they were in the past.  Only 3 holdovers from last year.  They've tied the Timbers this year, lost to GRFC by 2, beat the Heat by a couple, beat Evergreen A by a score of 8-0 in a friendly.  NWN isn't a great team but they've picked up some really nice players from other teams and have played competitively against most teams they've faced including the Sun City Strikers, Colibri, Wenatchee.  Now Eastsides A team handled them pretty easily but there is no shame in that NWN bue is getting better and better.  I believe they are having a frienldy against one of the Crossfire teams coming up soon so that will a good test to see where they are.

[boysrankingking]

quiller might have a little rose colored glasses, eh . wpl teams are not as quality in this particular age group. PDL is all around, but even teams in tier 4 have beaten some in tier 2!

Sun City is not the greatest either. lost to river City 3-0. River city is one of the few that is quality. Wenatchee not that good either, not top 20 quality.

pm me and I will update bi weekly.

[Quiller]

Yeah as I said I have not seen River City so they could be anywhere in the list.  I've heard they are very good so I just put them in somewhere.  Sun City's a good team.  They tied GRFC.  My guess is that GRFC probably had quite a few more chances but that is just a guess.  I guess I'm just not that impressed with the PDL teams after the first 7 or 8.  I would be more than happy to switch out Sun City for the River City team.  And all this is just conjecture anyway.  I have my biases just like everyone else. 

[Squash]

Yeah they aren't the same team as they were in the past.  Only 3 holdovers from last year.  They've tied the Timbers this year, lost to GRFC by 2, beat the Heat by a couple, beat Evergreen A by a score of 8-0 in a friendly.  NWN isn't a great team but they've picked up some really nice players from other teams and have played competitively against most teams they've faced including the Sun City Strikers, Colibri, Wenatchee.  Now Eastsides A team handled them pretty easily but there is no shame in that NWN bue is getting better and better.  I believe they are having a frienldy against one of the Crossfire teams coming up soon so that will a good test to see where they are.

Yes we are working on trying to arrange a game during the week down the road. I believe they had a sunday time but most of my parents like having a weekend day off from soccer. I'm glad to NW Nationals Blue have added some new players and I'm also glad they are much improved. Either Eastside A was missing kids when we played or maybe the matchups were weird because at the Crossfire challenge they beat us 3-0 in a game we missed a PK, had a goal called offsides, and spent the second half peppering their goal, and I mean peppering it..with shots just going wide, just over the post, and a few hitting the post. I will guess they had some players missing because I was not overly impressed at least at that tournament, that does not mean they did not have an off day or were missing some studs.

[gr8cgar]

I'm just happy somebody is talking about the boy teams  

I agree Crossfire C team is to low and so is the GRFC team. I also like that Quiller included the Colbri team into the mix and is a team that needs to be considered in the top 20 but number 9 on a list might be a little high.

Weekend day off from soccer  how shocking   

[Quiller]

You know I just realized I haven't seen your team Squash.  I've see two different Crossfires teams play this past summer and I was thinking your team was probably one of them but not the case.  It's really hard to guage how good a team is basing it on summer tournaments and that is basically what I have been doing.  Last year from one of the tournaments I thought Colibri was one of the better teams that I saw but come State Cup they were a shell of that team so I surmised that they must of had a lot of guest players for their tournament teams.  

I could see that Eastside could be mediocre if they were missing number 8 and 10.   They both bring some serious soccer skills to their team or maybe your team is just quite good and had a great effort against them.  Except McCormick's team all the U13 teams I've seen over the last 3 years have a pretty had a pretty drastic divide between their best and their worst.  I've seen WPFC look like champs then I've seen them look like they're fairly mediocre.  Nature of the age I guess.

[Quiller]

Squash,

It looks like the friendly is against Crossfire leeming.  It will be a tough test for NWN Blue.

The man/child from GRFC is quite the player.  Very strong, very fast with very good skill.  I hope he is the age that his mom portends him to be, because when you first see him he's quite the physical specimen for a 12 year old.

Game of the week for the B-U13 is going to be in the 1st division.  ECFC vs. Columbia Timbers is going to be big.

[Squash]

Squash,

It looks like the friendly is against Crossfire leeming.  It will be a tough test for NWN Blue.

The man/child from GRFC is quite the player.  Very strong, very fast with very good skill.  I hope he is the age that his mom portends him to be, because when you first see him he's quite the physical specimen for a 12 year old.

Game of the week for the B-U13 is going to be in the 1st division.  ECFC vs. Columbia Timbers is going to be big.

We went back and forth trying to do a wednesday game but 4pm was too early and we tend to try to not do sunday games so the parent get one day off on their weekend besides tournaments. We will probably look to try you guys again during the long break of state cup/ before i mean.

[Lothar]

It's too bad my team didn't get around to playing any Washington tournaments this year, I think that you may have considered our team for the list.  The only team we played on the list was FCV Gunners, which, we came up short.  Our team has transformed since last year where we played OYSA div 2 and now we are OYSA Premier Silver.  Sqaush, the next time your team visits cowtown you should setup a friendly with me!

Also heard there was some significant player movement this week from Timbers to FCV Gunners.  May change the way the PDL standings end up for those two teams.

[Quiller]

Did the players go from the Timbers to the Gunners or vice versa?

[Lothar]

Checked the rumor, it was just one player. From Timbers to Gunners.  Seems late in the season to make a switch, isn't their PDL rules against this?

[Black Knight]

Checked the rumor, it was just one player. From Timbers to Gunners.  Seems late in the season to make a switch, isn't their PDL rules against this?

It really depends on how it was handled (if coaches were contacted correctly and at the right times, if everything on that end was done correctly or not). I doubt timbers will say anything since in the last month alone I can count 4-5 players that have left WSA(fcv) to move to the timbers. WSA (FCV) was pretty upset over all this, but now i don't think they have room to make a big deal out of it. However, this is the norm for these two clubs. Every year players bolt one club for the other because travel wise it really doesn't make a difference since vancouvers really not that big. And the grass is always greener on the other side when someone gets upset.

[gr8cgar]

Still think that  it would be great to have boundaries in the PDL like they do in little league baseball.


Or at least state that if you reside with-in boundaries of 1 of the 21 PDL clubs you must play for your local team. If you are outside of those boundaries and are not within another PDL club's boundaries you may then chose to play for any PDL club. Making it so no PDL Club is permitted to draw players from with-in another's clubs boundaries. This would not hurt the development of players, may help produce "like vs. like" competition and may create a better fan base where communities can take pride in their club.

We would still have programs like the ODP & Academy teams that could and should be able to draw from anywhere.

This is a little off topic for the  U13 Boys Top 20 thread so I start another for this one !

[Quiller]

Looks like the ECFC green, Div 1 team, is playing at a high level right now not that they'lle be able to catch the consistently good Eastside team.  Should be a good game next week between NWN Red and ECFC green.  Might establish who will take 2nd place.  Timbers vs. Crossfire Black will be an important game for relegation purposes.  Crossfire needs it big time. 

GRFC looks to be in charge of the Division 2 now that Sun City lost to Harbor FC.  Would of like to of seen that one but Yakima is a bit a ways from Seattle. 

The Gunners continue their scoring ways against Crossfire.  I'm sure Squash can give the details.

ECFC white tied the Spokane team.  I thought Spokane would of been the better team going in with there size advantage but apparently ECFC played well enough to get a point.

NWN Blue in Division 5 played a real strong game against HPFC.  They play a friendly today against Crossfire Black today.  Should be a fun game to watch.

[Lothar]

Looks like the ECFC green, Div 1 team, is playing at a high level right now not that they'lle be able to catch the consistently good Eastside team.  Should be a good game next week between NWN Red and ECFC green.  Might establish who will take 2nd place.  Timbers vs. Crossfire Black will be an important game for relegation purposes.   Crossfire needs it big time. 

I couldn't agree more,  some of use here in cowtown are already seeing the possible scenario of Timbers and Gunners being in Div 2 this spring.  Perhaps this may be a changing of the guard down here.

[gr8cgar]

I do not recall the number on his jersey but I do recall that Forward for Emerald City FC M95 Green got some serious skills 

[Squash]

Looks like the ECFC green, Div 1 team, is playing at a high level right now not that they'lle be able to catch the consistently good Eastside team.  Should be a good game next week between NWN Red and ECFC green.  Might establish who will take 2nd place.  Timbers vs. Crossfire Black will be an important game for relegation purposes.  Crossfire needs it big time. 

GRFC looks to be in charge of the Division 2 now that Sun City lost to Harbor FC.  Would of like to of seen that one but Yakima is a bit a ways from Seattle. 

The Gunners continue their scoring ways against Crossfire.  I'm sure Squash can give the details.

ECFC white tied the Spokane team.  I thought Spokane would of been the better team going in with there size advantage but apparently ECFC played well enough to get a point.

NWN Blue in Division 5 played a real strong game against HPFC.  They play a friendly today against Crossfire Black today.  Should be a fun game to watch.

Our game was the game of almost no defense for both teams. We lost 6-4. I think at one point it was 2-0 them...2-1 them....2-2 tied....3-2 them... 3-3 tied....4-3 them... 5-3 them..... 5-4...... them 6-4 them. I believe we were called offsides about 20 times. I think both teams could have scored more, and i felt good about our chances to score all game. It was back and forth the entire game, ten goals total is a lot of scoring. Oh and the game was on grass and in the rain.

[Lothar]

Grass is a good advantage for Vancouver teams vs big city teams.  Usually when teams come to play us they are shocked that we still play on this stuff.  For example, Saturday my team played a at Portland State University (Turf) and lost 4-0.  The next day we played the same team (thanks OYSA Scheduling) on grass here in Vancouver and won 3-2.

I wish I had paid more attention to the schedule, would have love to come to Camas Sat and meet you, (and check out your team), please let me know next time your down here.

[gr8cgar]

Hard to tell if Eastside FC 95 Red or Crossfire Premier 95 A (McCormick) is the #1 team. Both teams developing their players in a very different setting.
Both are right there at the top.....no doubt about it

[Lothar]

I'll admit that the last time I saw both Eastside and Crossfire McCormick was at Rainer Cup, but I felt that XFire was more polished.   I would have put WPFC Black before Eastside, but again, haven't seen these teams since May.

[Lothar]

I was going to ask, in the original post I didnt see Colibri listed, wouldn't you think they are a top 20 team?  I see that Quiller thinks so.  Have they gotten better/worse? 

[Squash]

Hard to tell if Eastside FC 95 Red or Crossfire Premier 95 A (McCormick) is the #1 team. Both teams developing their players in a very different setting.
Both are right there at the top.....no doubt about it

This still easily goes to McCormick. 

Oh and Lothar the grass suited both teams just fine. The scoring was lightning fast in the first half. It may have been 3-3 at half or 3-2 them. Either way the game will be similar the next time we play. I think in some ways we surprised them a little, we honestly got called offsides 20 time and probably 18 were right. The referees did a good job and we held the ball at times for one or two touches too long before putting the ball thru or hitting that gap ball. We missed some very good chances...as did they. It was by no means in the bag for them until like 10 minutes left and it was 6-4. I normally figure 4 goals gets you a win...haha

Quiller..... i think the gunner are a fine team, but I'm personally happy because at U-11 they beat my team (C) 10-0. Now at U-13 they beat us 6-4. I'm looking forward to the game up here. I was happy we scored 4 goals, now just a little D against them would help The funny thing is I believe I have 3 very good players on defense so they will gel at some point...... state cup is farther away this year.

[Quiller]

My updated top 20 (not that it really matters).  It's just fun to get the blah, blah, blah going.


Crossfire-McCormick
Eastside
GRFC
NWN Red
ECFC
River City
WPFC
Columbia Timbers
Gunners
Harbor FC
Crossfire Leeming
Pacific Premier
Colibri
Sun CIty Strikers
NWN Blue
Wenatchee Fire
Fedeal Way Storm
Crossfire Squash
Spokane
ECFC White

Yeah if the Gunner got a defense they could be dangerous.
I don't think anybody at this point is going to be challenging McCormick's team.  They're a juggernaut.
Still haven't seen Harbor FC play but it looks they are doing quite nicely for themselves.
NWN Blue got it taken to them yesterday by Crossfire Black.

[Lothar]

Squash, which cup will your boys play in?