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[elephant slayer]

"QUOTE"  slayer, there is fear based on reality, and there is the fear used to coerce people to support a position and agenda.  Obama is today using that coercive type of fear to drive people into ignoring the contents of his socialism bill by suggesting that if we don't cover our eyes and support this 93% non-stimulus bill, then we may never recover.  That is totally unfounded fear-mongering, but where is the criticism from you?
I'm sorry that people were driven by the left into fearing Bush, Republicans, and the direction that has kept us relatively safe, relatively prosperous (until leftist social engineering killed the economy), and freed a couple nations along the way.  But supporting a new direction towards socialism because an ignorant majority of Americans gobbled up the lies and mis-information from the left is not a very strong argument.   6 out of 10 Obama voters didn't even know which party controlled Congress.
Half of us out here are crying when we read such nonsense from our fellow Americans. 
What is truly stunning is the arrogance of people, like you, who seem totally ignorant of the realities we are living within, but still feel comfortable to mis-characterize people who aren't drinking the Kool Aid.  We are simply rolling our eyes at the ignorance of the average Obama defender, and fearful that America can't survive.  And not because of economic problems, terrorists, or wars, but because of the growing ignorance and dependency of too many of our fellow Americans.
Why don't you describe the hell you've lived in the last 8 years?  Then ask yourself what responsibility you have as an American and a voter for how we got here?"END QUOTE"


Fear mongering? You have the gull to talk about your perceived mongering on an economic issue when over NINETY-EIGHT-THOUSAND Iraqi's lay dead or wounded, most of them Innocent civilians. You are not only blind to the past eight years, but must not have any friends or relatives that were killed in Iraq since 'mission accomplished'. Did the Iraqi people deserve this. Do you feel no sadness over this issue because you are not like them or not a Muslim? Sad.
Do you realize your arguments are weak and they are only geared towards your own faithful flock. You say your sorry for people on the left that were driven to fear Bush. Anyone could say the same to you. I am sorry that your upbringing and the right has driven you to fear Obama. (see, not much difference)
I had to chuckle when you wrote; "half of us are crying". You do realize that more then half of us are happy and not crying an iota?
The biggest and saddest thing in your blog is your comments on koolaid. You and others like you love to say; 'we are not drinking the koolaid'. Do you not realize that you are not drinking the koolaid now because you were already poisoned by the right wing koolaid years ago. You have been brainwashed years ago when you still referred to yourself as a 'young republican'. Yes it is true. You not only drank koolaid years before anyone else, but you have drowned in it. I am not saying this reflects you in a favorable light because you are like the racist who says; "my best friends are black". I feel so sorry for you, and I hope that someday you will come around to regret all the garbage that has come from your fingertips. If not, you can still sleep better tonight knowing that our President is looking out for you even though you don't think so, and people like I will pray for you and those koolaid poisoned men and woman who wallow in self pity like yourself. God bless you, I wish I could help you more young man.

Monica

[elephant slayer]

"QUOTE" Why have you been scared for the last 8 years Monica? "END QUOTE"




How have I been scared? I will answer your question.
>he started a war against a country that didn't attack us
>after September eleventh, he turned all the worlds good will and support of us into hatred and derision.
>the last eight years had taken a surplus in our budget and turned it into a trillions of dollar deficit.
>the right-winger even admit the last few years our boarders have been unprotected and multi millions of illegals have entered our country.
>OsamaBin Laden captured? no. Killed? no. Even found? no. Failure to protect us again.
>we have been living is a socialist society for the rich and capitalism for our poor.
>our future tax increases will be a result of the last eight years. Say what you wish, but you know it is true.
>our military had Bin Laden trapped in a very small thirty to forty square mile area in the area of Tora Bora. The terrorist even went public and apologized to his followers saying; "I have failed you". Of course our former president pulled away and left the capture to the Afghan's. Bin Laden of course escaped to where he is now. A possible half a million square mile radius. Poor leadership again.
>never forget the Iraq city left to the Fallujah on Bush's call. That was the city where the terrible beheading of Nick Berg took place in 2004. Thank you for the safe feeling mr former president, I am sure his whole family thanks you.
>we had a president that had gone absent without leave from the military. Surprised more was not made of this.
>least we forget Dick. Our former VP Dick Cheney. He helped start the Iraq war, helped to cook up the Iraq and Niger uranium tales of deceit, shot a person in the face, and of course; "No daughter here, gay people are evil incarnate". He was a drunk too.
How many more things should I be scared of?
This list is long enough in my eyes. To put matters to rest though, I am more scared of people like yourself and your master here, then of anything Bush could ever do. I will continue to pray for you.

[GotRhythm]

"QUOTE" Why have you been scared for the last 8 years Monica? "END QUOTE"




How have I been scared? I will answer your question.
>he started a war against a country that didn't attack us
>after September eleventh, he turned all the worlds good will and support of us into hatred and derision.
>the last eight years had taken a surplus in our budget and turned it into a trillions of dollar deficit.
>the right-winger even admit the last few years our boarders have been unprotected and multi millions of illegals have entered our country.
>OsamaBin Laden captured? no. Killed? no. Even found? no. Failure to protect us again.
>we have been living is a socialist society for the rich and capitalism for our poor.
>our future tax increases will be a result of the last eight years. Say what you wish, but you know it is true.
>our military had Bin Laden trapped in a very small thirty to forty square mile area in the area of Tora Bora. The terrorist even went public and apologized to his followers saying; "I have failed you". Of course our former president pulled away and left the capture to the Afghan's. Bin Laden of course escaped to where he is now. A possible half a million square mile radius. Poor leadership again.
>never forget the Iraq city left to the Fallujah on Bush's call. That was the city where the terrible beheading of Nick Berg took place in 2004. Thank you for the safe feeling mr former president, I am sure his whole family thanks you.
>we had a president that had gone absent without leave from the military. Surprised more was not made of this.
>least we forget Dick. Our former VP Dick Cheney. He helped start the Iraq war, helped to cook up the Iraq and Niger uranium tales of deceit, shot a person in the face, and of course; "No daughter here, gay people are evil incarnate". He was a drunk too.
How many more things should I be scared of?
This list is long enough in my eyes. To put matters to rest though, I am more scared of people like yourself and your master here, then of anything Bush could ever do. I will continue to pray for you.

You clearly get your "facts" from dailykos and moveon.org <yawn>

[EWSoccer64]

So, Monica, unless you had nightmares of going hunting with Dick Cheney, you never had any reason to be afraid.  So you were lieing when you claimed to have been afraid for the last eight years.  Typical.   Your entire political diatribe shows an inarticulate misunderstanding of facts and history.

I will only address the Iraq issue:
1)  Iraq used chemical weapons, first, against its neighbor.
2) Iraw used chemical weapons against its own civillians.
3)  The Government of Iraq started two regional wars by its unprovoked agression against its neighbors.
4)  The Government of Iraq caused up to 2 million deaths in the Iran-Iraq war that it started with its land grab against the weakened Iranian state.
5)  The Government of Iraq violated at least 22 UN resolutions.
6)  The Government of Iraq kicked out the UN WMD Inspectors.
7)  The Government of Iraq tried to assinate a former US President.
  The Government of Iraq  was perhaps the leading national supporter of terrorism in the world.
9)  The Government of Iraq was supported by Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, and their fellowship.  (While the last is not a reason for war, it should be   )
10)  There was and is evidence that the Government of Iraq was holding an American Serviceman POW from the first Gulf War.
11)   The Government of Iraq had vioalted, repeatedly, the terms of the ceasefire from the First Gulf War.  Under international law, that is sufficient reason, in and of itself, without any further decision, vote or recourse, to resume hostilities.
12)  The Government of Iraq was systematically trying to attack US aircraft trying to enforce the UN mandated no fly zone.

There is more, but clearly points 2, 5, 7, 8, 10,11 and 12 are sufficient, in and of themselves, legally, to go to war and enforce terms of our victory upon them.

And yes, Democracy can be created on the point of a bayonet.  It has happened before.  Very successfully.





>>>QUOTE" Why have you been scared for the last 8 years Monica? "END QUOTE"




How have I been scared? I will answer your question.
>he started a war against a country that didn't attack us
>after September eleventh, he turned all the worlds good will and support of us into hatred and derision.
>the last eight years had taken a surplus in our budget and turned it into a trillions of dollar deficit.
>the right-winger even admit the last few years our boarders have been unprotected and multi millions of illegals have entered our country.
>OsamaBin Laden captured? no. Killed? no. Even found? no. Failure to protect us again.
>we have been living is a socialist society for the rich and capitalism for our poor.
>our future tax increases will be a result of the last eight years. Say what you wish, but you know it is true.
>our military had Bin Laden trapped in a very small thirty to forty square mile area in the area of Tora Bora. The terrorist even went public and apologized to his followers saying; "I have failed you". Of course our former president pulled away and left the capture to the Afghan's. Bin Laden of course escaped to where he is now. A possible half a million square mile radius. Poor leadership again.
>never forget the Iraq city left to the Fallujah on Bush's call. That was the city where the terrible beheading of Nick Berg took place in 2004. Thank you for the safe feeling mr former president, I am sure his whole family thanks you.
>we had a president that had gone absent without leave from the military. Surprised more was not made of this.
>least we forget Dick. Our former VP Dick Cheney. He helped start the Iraq war, helped to cook up the Iraq and Niger uranium tales of deceit, shot a person in the face, and of course; "No daughter here, gay people are evil incarnate". He was a drunk too.
How many more things should I be scared of?
This list is long enough in my eyes. To put matters to rest though, I am more scared of people like yourself and your master here, then of anything Bush could ever do. I will continue to pray for you.<<<

[HandBall]

Let's see if some facts can get in the way of your beliefs:

>he started a war against a country that didn't attack us
The US invaded Iraq to remove a regime that Republicans, Democrats and the UN believed was developing WMD, ignoring UN resolutions, exploiting the oil for food program, and and giving aid and comfort to terrorists through direct financial aid to the families of suicide bombers, and training camps.  Some of us might also consider that it was to free a nation of 25 million living under a tyrant.

>after September eleventh, he turned all the worlds good will and support of us into hatred and derision.
Some would argue that our own Democrats and media did much of that, highlighting the negative, exaggerating it, and speaking more for our enemies than for our security.  With the UN run by nations who hate what America stands for, and good friends like Russia, China, North Korea and Iran who hate us too, I'm not sure I want America working to build friendships at the expense of this nation or the free world.  I know that doesn't align with the Marxist view, but hey, that's me.

>the last eight years had taken a surplus in our budget and turned it into a trillions of dollar deficit.
Never had a surplus.  Sorry.  The government under a Republican Congress starting in 1995 and coming out of a recession in 1990 saw an increase in revenue, much of it in Social Security surpluses that the government used to reduce the deficit.  The national debt actually increased by 36% under Clinton.  Yes, the debt has grown substantially in the last 8 years, but the growth can be attributed primarily to three things.  1) Clinton increased discretionary spending by more than 16% in his last year in office that started Bush off with a huge increase he couldn't undo, compared to an average increase under Bush of roughly 7%. 2) We had 911, and subsequent new spending on security, with necessary spending to buy support of Democrats and liberal Republicans to get that funding.  3) The credit crunch, which the direct result of government intervention under Clinton to turn the government into the enforcer of bad loans, the buyer of bad debt, and Democrat opposition starting in 2001 to halt it.

>the right-winger even admit the last few years our boarders have been unprotected and multi millions of illegals have entered our country.
No argument, but it hasn't been Republicans fighting the border fence or steps to defend the border.  Bush tried to face realities with a solution that the right couldn't stomach and McCain and most Democrats backed a more open-border approach that most Americans opposed.

>OsamaBin Laden captured? no. Killed? no. Even found? no. Failure to protect us again.
To equate capturing or killing bin Laden with failure to protect is DailyKos nonsense.  We've been safe since 911 and bin Laden hiding in a hole with his army destroyed worldwide is virtually the same thing as being dead.  it's not like bin Laden wouldn't be instantly replaced if he was captured or killed.  The bin Laden test is one of the sillier attacks on Bush from the left.

>we have been living is a socialist society for the rich and capitalism for our poor.
I suspect you're displaying ignorance here and not admitting the slide to socialism.  We have lived in a society where work ethic, education and self-reliance had made some rich, while others that would rather depend on government/taxpayer handouts have not done as well.  You can relate income in America almost directly to education, and while college has allowed a greater percentage of Americans to achieve the American dream, that same lack of education has caused the poorer income classes to fall further and further behind.  The progressive failures in education, along with unions that care little about kids, is as much for the failure of the poor to improve than anything else.

>our future tax increases will be a result of the last eight years. Say what you wish, but you know it is true.
Our future tax increases will be the direct result of the failure of the Welfare state in America.  Social Spending growth has outpaced everything else for decades, and will reach 70 cents of every federal dollar very soon, up from 50 cents in 1980.  During the same period Defense spending has decreased from Carter's 22 cents per federal dollar, to 20 cents under Bush .  Social Spending in adjusted dollars has increased by 120% since 1980, while Defense has increased about 60%.  That is 2 to 1.

>our military had Bin Laden trapped in a very small thirty to forty square mile area in the area of Tora Bora. The terrorist even went public and apologized to his followers saying; "I have failed you". Of course our former president pulled away and left the capture to the Afghan's. Bin Laden of course escaped to where he is now. A possible half a million square mile radius. Poor leadership again.
Have you been to the mountains of Tora Bora?  Might as well be on the moon.  The Russians didn't have very good success there either, did they.  Could have all been avoided if Clinton had taken him when he could have.  But things don't always happen the way people would like, do they?

>never forget the Iraq city left to the Fallujah on Bush's call. That was the city where the terrible beheading of Nick Berg took place in 2004. Thank you for the safe feeling mr former president, I am sure his whole family thanks you.
Pathetic!  Blaming Bush for this is simply unfair!  If Bush had done what was necessary, like blockade the city and carpet bomb it, or evacuate it and perform search and destroy of everyone left, the liberals would have screamed bloody murder.  The fact is that Bush fought this war for a long time the way other presidents have fought wars, which is to measure every step against public opinion and the degree to which the left will attack him and hurt the war effort.  Finally Bush shed that concern once and for all to pushed the surge just as the left believed they had succeeded in forcing loss and surrender.  Boo Hoo!

>we had a president that had gone absent without leave from the military. Surprised more was not made of this.
What country were you living in?  Obama can only wish for the love of our troops that Bush had.  You can bet Bush never had to coerce soldiers into his audiences to create the perception of loyalty.  Obama is despised by a significant part of our military, and we can only hope that Obama doesn't betray them like he was prepared to in Iraq.

>least we forget Dick. Our former VP Dick Cheney. He helped start the Iraq war, helped to cook up the Iraq and Niger uranium tales of deceit, shot a person in the face, and of course; "No daughter here, gay people are evil incarnate". He was a drunk too.
Dick Cheney will go down in history as one of the best vice-presidents this nation has ever had, regardless of what Kos, DemocracyNow, and MoveOn allege.  Joe Wilson lied about Niger, he lied about Karl Rove, and he lied about Cheney.  Patrick Fitzgerald investigated a crime that he knew on day one wasn't a crime, and where he already knew that the State Department's Richard Armitage had released Plame's name.  IIf course all people involved in hunting accidents are the anti-Christ.  Cheney loves his daughter, and regardless of whether he drank or not, I hadn't heard that, I'm sure you're just as critical of Obama's Marijuana and Cocaine use, right?  Cheney is perhaps the most wrongfully assaulted member of the Bush administration, even more so than Bush.  Cheney is a patriot and like Bush, placed the safety and security of this nation above popularity.  And frankly, I'm sick and tired of the attacks by idiots who can't say a word that they haven't read from these hate-filled sources.

>How many more things should I be scared of?
I think you've got plenty to be scared of.  You've clearly bought into all the lies and distortions spewed from the anti-Bush crowd from the start of his administration.  I'm surprised you didn't bring up the stolen elections in 2000 and 2004 as well.

>This list is long enough in my eyes. To put matters to rest though, I am more scared of people like yourself and your master here, then of anything Bush could ever do. I will continue to pray for you.
I'll take the payers, but I find it doubtful that someone with so much hate could pray for, or forgive anyone you've been so thoroughly convinced to hate.

It's about here where Bush and I get equted to "Hitler", right?