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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2009, 02:03:49 AM »

Here are my question, and I'm sure they are ones to ask the club, but what is considered 50% of the NWN membership?  I actually don't know this.  Is it 50% of the coaches?  Are parents considered "membership"?   Would some coaches feel any implicit pressure to sign a petition brought to them by their boss (the coaching director)?  If my supervisor brought me something like that, I would  perhaps feel some risk in saying no.   I have to admit I found the timing of the petition interesting.  If there have been problems for a while, why was it only after Cliff McGrath entered the picture that suddenly there is a huge rush?  Is there a fear of losing power, and if so, by who?  Why do the coaches seem so intent on securing 4 of the 7 positions, and therefore control the club?  This scares me.  Coaches already have complete power over your child on their teams, do I want them to have complete power over the club too?  I attended the NWN auction and fundraiser this year and I saw not a single one of these coaches from the petition there, is this representative of their "commitment" to the players and club?  I see this as a commitment to their themselves and their salary - not to the kids by any stretch of the imagination. 
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2009, 02:16:22 AM »

LET'S GET REAL! Let’s not be chicken anymore let’s put the names out there and not hide behind agendas any longer.   NWN is a great club unfortunately what people don’t know is we have corrupt DOC’s (ie. Mark Collings and Arby Busey) and coaches (i.e Ben Somoza and John Wagner) who are all behind the scenes.  What have they done for NWN this year other than create an undercurrent and problems?  They better be careful for all that they are doing right now as they will be exposed for their unethical acts and non-accountablity.  You don’t think people know, but we do!  Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourselves for creating this chaos.  You should know better than to jeopardized NWN and SPU’s reputation.   I think in the long run these people will get their own and realize NWN’s board has protected their unethical behavior and the truth will come out eventually.  What are you afraid of… losing your job?  Cliff McCrath is the best thing that NWN can have right now, why don’t you be accountable and stop this good ole boy system.  Coaches beware of what you really don’t know because you may be sorry.   
We know that half of the 13 coaches felt pressured to sign this letter, it is not majority by any means!  They are being coerced!  GET THE FACTS!! Good Luck with your so called meeting!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2009, 02:36:59 AM »

 double post by mistake
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2009, 03:10:22 AM »

I am not at liberty to say ANYTHING on this matter ... but the emails were "rogue" . Leave it at that and do not read anything into this !!!


These emails posted are NOT "rogue" - they are exactly what was sent to all families in NWN and they are correct.
Sounds like someone is trying to cover their a$$ - cat is out of the bag FINALLY!  (It has been SOOOO LONG!)
We all need to wait and see how the situation gets worked out before a lot of speculation and what not goes on.
I have faith in the coaches!  They are the ones that are trying to do what is RIGHT and ETHICAL. 

Before you speak you should be sure you know all the facts flip flop.  Before you say this was sent to ALL NWN families you should be sure you know that.  I know numerous families who did not receive either e-mails from the coaches, but received the two from the board of directors.  While quite a few did receive it not evey family did.  i would assume these select coaches did not have access to all families e-mails or this was sent to the managers of each team to pass on and only a few managers chose to be smart not pass the unaurthorized e-mails on.  In my opinion Mark is a complete A__.  By the way anyone notice how SPU did his first year of coaching  Get off your high horse and look where you came from.  It's about the kids not YOU.

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I am not on a horse, thank you.  I wasn't referring to you being on a horse
Yes, it is about the kids - that is why we are having this conversation  :)  Unfortunately these few coaches are not in it for the kids, that was my point
Degrading people here doesn't solve this very large issue.  Not degrading anyone jsut stating my opinion of what I have witnessed personally.

#1.  Fact is all managers got the letter from the coaches, whether they chose to send on to the teams was up to them.   Why are they unauthorized emails?  the letter stated facts by more than 50% of the membership.
Who are the members.  Am I considered a member?  who is the 50%?
#2.  some managers chose to neglect some teams?  Perhaps so.  Appears your manager didn't think your team needed to know the facts.  You who paid the fee for your child to be in this club.....  That's too bad.  You should ask for those letters from your manager.
No need to ask for the letter when it was put on blast right here on WPS.  I didn't say we were not informed but some managers tried felt no need to forward tyring not to add fuel to the fire.  We were all informed of this mess
#3.  Board members have changed this year because the president(treasurer)  didn't get along with them!  Wow... crazy facts here.
Sound like you may be one these coaches.  You seem to be so sure of this.
#4.  Mark who?  There are a few Mark's in this club.  I think there are 3 or more.......  be nice now.
Oh, I think you know which Mark I was referring to, no need to put him on blast any further by announcing his last name.  
#5.  The meeting will be good - they can decide if this is a club run by a board instead of a dictatorship.
I ask where were these coaches when the NWN auction was happening in the fall?  I didn't see any of them there.  Was that supporting the club and kids they care so much about?  This auction is to raise money for the kids and for the kids whose parents who can't afford to have them play for this club.  I didn't see them offering any help or support for these kids.  They were no shows.  I haven't seen them on the fields observing practices, isn't that what DOC's do.  I haven't seen any of that this entire year from them.  Do I want that to run this club?  NO Way!  What have they done this year??  If you know please correct me, but I have not seen it this year at all!


It is really interesting to have this information out on this forum now after it has been stewing behind the scenes for MONTHS.

Yeah I guess if you think it is nice to air dirty laundry for everyone to see, it would be interesting to you. Since they decided to air it, hopefully they are prepared for everything to come out and they have no skeltons in their closet




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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2009, 11:56:00 AM »

I agree with socpop93 & upperv.  There is so much that people do not know and what these 4-5 disgruntled coaching staff have done is try to play the undercurrent and emotion card of parents.  If these DOC’s and coaches are really thinking of NWN’s, the program and especially the players- A Big Question that needs to be answered!!  What have you done this year for NWN???  We have not seen Mark or Arby almost all year but they both collect hefty paychecks and continue to take from this club.  How about show up for the Auction to help raise money for the kids?  We know that Ben S had some issues with the State this year and apparently still having issues with the State which many people don’t know.  Is he disgruntled with NWN’s?  He should be grateful he still has a job anywhere and should be grateful the board paid him his full salary during his ordeal?  What about the kids Ben??  Do you really think all 13 year old girls lie?

Get the facts people!  The Board consists of people who give the most to this club and volunteer (do not get paid) a lot of their time for the benefit of the kids (how quickly people forget!).  The coaches on the board are the finest we have and are the few who really care about the kids.  When Chuck Sekyra was the Tech Dir, the club was outstanding and the coaches under him did not make waves and actually did their work- not like now.  The board has hired Cliff McCrath to give the club direction again, a new fresh way to get NWN to another level.  The coaching staff that are revolting are the ones who are afraid they will be eliminated and with all that they have done, they should all be exposed and canned! Go NWN!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2009, 12:21:36 PM »

I want to start by saying again I do not know the facts in this case, but I can say without a doubt that the PARENTS do have a say in how clubs are run. If you don't then you need to get involved and make the changes that your club needs. Read your bylaws and know them better than the people in charge. When they step over their bounds as a parent it is your right to call them on it.

This does not apply to only NWN, it applies to every club in the state.

The toughest part for most people to understand is their specific situation may be fine and dandy, but that may be a direct reflection of their coach and not the club as a whole. YOU CANNOT turn a blind eye just because your DD or DS is in with a quality coach or individual team and life is good. It is your responsibility to make sure all of the players in your club thrive, because when you neglect the whole at some point it effects even the teams that things seem okay on the surface.

Some hate seeing their club in the spotlight, but the reality is simple. These things need to be pointed out in order for those with wool over their eyes to open them and to start caring about others and not just themselves. Part of Americas issues are simply we never ask questions...we never expect for others to be dishonest, we never do research on anything unless it effects us directly.

Please parents and fellow Americans..... start questioning everything because you are not sheep and those leading you are often dishonest and out for their own good and interest. When you place blame...look in the mirror and place it squarely on yourself. Times have changed and it's obvious you should not be so easily fooled by talk and what's on some paper that easily shredded. I am a true believer in the saying "TALK is CHEAP"  Please ask them not only to talk the talk but to start walking the talk, enough with the fancy words, wool, and scams we so often fall for. ::)
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2009, 01:15:32 PM »

Very well said S man. Wise words for us all to live by.
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2009, 01:17:34 PM »

Squash, yes, talk is cheap and that is what we're talking about!  Looking in the mirror is  great advice and the ones who are getting paid (up to $???/year-DOC's stipen) need to address these questions for the program/product they have not provided NWN in 2008. 
The same DOC's and coaches mentioned were all on the Board during this time.  They need to stop hiding behind agendas and sending false information to the club/public.  They need to get started working for the best of NWN, work with Cliff McCrath for the benefit of this club or they need to leave.

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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2009, 02:14:09 PM »

Paitient1, I'm curious what Collings and Busey have done, in your opinion, at NWN that is corrupt or unethical? I ask only because you've tossed out some very, very serious allegations without any substantiation whatsoever. There may indeed be some issues, but just tossing names out and calling people corrupt and unethical without any background, proof or other substantiation amounts to nothing more than slander!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »

The toughest part for most people to understand is their specific situation may be fine and dandy, but that may be a direct reflection of their coach and not the club as a whole. YOU CANNOT turn a blind eye just because your DD or DS is in with a quality coach or individual team and life is good. It is your responsibility to make sure all of the players in your club thrive, because when you neglect the whole at some point it effects even the teams that things seem okay on the surface.

Very hard for most CP's to be objective.  For most it depends on which side of the coin your kid falls on.  If your kid is playing every minute (majority) then life is good and you think the coach is doing a good job...putting the strongest team out there to win.  This is Premier, after all, and playing at the most competitive level...right?  If your kid is NOT getting the playing time you think he/she deserves...then CP'S say, "Hey, I thought this was about development" my kid can't develop is he/she's not getting the playing time...you sound like a whiner/sour grapes.  

It's easy to say get involved and do something but in some Clubs (only have experience with a few so I'm making a generalization), there is so much "nepotism" going on that there is no "safe" place for CP's to voice their opinions/displeasure...especially if your DK is not on an A team.  The message is very clear at some clubs...if you're not on the A team and you're not happy...go somewhere else.

When the Clubs start acting like a real business (ie when the board is separate from the day to day operations of the business) and the memebers do not have a hidden agenda (Managing a team, kids playing on a team...conflict of interest) then you have a system of checks and balances.  Then and only then, will you have a Club that has integrity...or at least has a "chance" at having integrity.
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2009, 02:24:25 PM »

Paitient1, I'm curious what Collings and Busey have done, in your opinion, at NWN that is corrupt or unethical? I ask only because you've tossed out some very, very serious allegations without any substantiation whatsoever. There may indeed be some issues, but just tossing names out and calling people corrupt and unethical without any background, proof or other substantiation amounts to nothing more than slander!


This is what makes me nervous about Squash's concept of everyone starting to question everything.  It is a good idea, but the issue is that we have a public forum that can be read and taken as true. Too often, there are at least two sides to every issue.  Some people just throw out the opinions without any backing and want us to believe it.  This is quite harmful especially when names are given.  I doubt that those mentioned are bad guys.  They may have an agenda, but who doesn't?  Just saying they are corrupt and unethical is wrong.  Unless you have specifics on why you are posting names, you should NEVER post.  If you want to give your opinion, that is fine, but do so intelligently, with respect, and integrity. 
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2009, 02:49:04 PM »

A don't know the facts here but offer the following based on past experience with matters like these.

1. The Board of Directors should be mostly parents and those that are not parents should NOT be coaches active in the club.  Coaches are employees.  i can see that the DOCs should be at the Board meetings for most or all of the agenda but they should not have a vote on the Board IMHO.

2. Coaches sending out letters to parents on behalf of the Board should be fired on the spot. 

3. NWN should get a lawyer to advise them on how best to clean up matters related to annual meetings, bylaws, elected Board members etc.  Just bite the bullet and clean things up.  If it means holding new elections then so be it. 

4. Cliff McGrath is the perfect guy to take a good look at this and advise the Club. 
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2009, 02:52:50 PM »

Just received this e-mail from Cliff McCrath to all NWN families:

To:      NW Nationals Board of Directors

From: C. Cliff McCrath, Technical Director

Date: January 23, 2009

Re.:    Progress Report on First 15 Days

Reference is made to my first fifteen days serving as Technical Director. Please feel free to share this with the membership inasmuch as, since the appointment, I have received over 50 emails, text messages and phone calls from various coaches, families – and even a couple of players, welcoming me – formally – to the NWN family. What follows is an account of my activities so far as well as some observations and suggestions: (Please bear in mind that I have served – and continue to serve - on numerous non-profit boards, NCAA committees and am still an officer with a few NGOs that are linked to soccer and youth. All appreciate, if not demand, periodic reports from staff members.)

·        Actions-to-date:

o       Read all the official literature (constitution, bylaws, contracts, etc.)

o       I have had an opportunity to visit with a couple dozen parents, several coaches and even got to exchange a few ‘High 5s’ with a number of players who have attended Northwest Soccer Camp.

o       Sent a blanket message to all coaches informing them that I would be visiting their practice sessions and/or games for the purpose of evaluating their performances in order to offer my assistance as well as prepare recommendations for their contract renewal as we are approaching a new fiscal year. The message also informed them that I will be meeting with each of them FTF (face-to-face). The purpose of the FTF is to allow them to provide input re. needs they may have as well as an opportunity for me to submit an evaluation.

o       To date, I have observed nine training sessions, spoken briefly with each coach, obtained cell numbers and their suggestion of best times to meet. (Note: I should have all completed by next week.

o       I have spoken at length with Bobby McLaughlin (Mukilteo) about the Select Program (and coaches) which he is very ably administering. NOTE: He has not had any communication but needs Board approval for his proposal (submitted) with reference to renewing his management of the Select Program for next year. I will have recommendations for you at the next meeting.

o       Spoken with a couple dozen parents (at practice sites) which has provided strategic input of the strengths – and some weaknesses of the club’

 
·        Observations:

o       Hats off to the coaches and administrators who have put together such a tricky practice schedule when space and sites are so limited. I was duly impressed the last couple of nights watching three teams practice on the Edmonds mini-fields in a space so limited that it was a feat not unlike inscribing The Lord’s Prayer on the head of a pin. But the coaches didn’t complain and the kids were high-spirited, dedicated and businesslike in their efforts.  Very impressive! Very!

o       If there is any ‘downside’ to what I have seen so far; it is the trauma associated with recent activities involving accusations of alleged impropriety between a coach and a player on his team.  My beginning service as Club Advisor coincided with the first wave, of what eventually became a flood, of criticism, confusion and calamity raining down on  the club in general and you, the board, in particular. I have an opinion on this which I will set forth below, but first, a brief summary:

 
o       First there was an accusation…which led to an emergency meeting of the Board…with counsel present. I was very impressed that the very first topic was concern for the child, the families of the team, the coach and the entire club which were honorable indeed. At the same time, the matter fell under the State Association’s jurisdiction which obviated the Club’s option to adjudicate the matter.

o       The State suspended the coach (and directed the Club to do the same) until a ‘hearing’ could be convened which, regrettably, was delayed by the Christmas/New Year holiday season.

o       Rumors and, sometimes ‘out-of-control’ reports, began to circulate and the Board soon began to experience a deluge of emails, phone calls and person-to-person contacts. (The team’s families – as well as other club members - not directly connected to the team, were asking questions and misinformation was rampant.)

o       The Board elected to release an official statement clarifying the actions the State was taking and, because the circle of information had long since exceeded the boundaries of the team in question, the statement was sent to the entire club.

o       Eventually the State conducted the hearing and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to render a verdict. The result was a message from the State informing the Club that the coach was free to return to his coaching duties. NOTE: The State, currently, is considering sanctions against the club for what they termed a “disorderly, disruptive – and unauthorized - display of support” by some members of the coach’s team.

o       I applaud the Club for continuing to pay the coach’s salary while on ‘administrative’ leave. Moreover, once the State’s letter arrived the Club reinstated the coach to his girls’ team and, while continuing his pay, suggested the interim coach be allowed to continue actively coaching the boy’s team already well-advanced in State Cup play. I think this was a wise move. (If I were the ‘head’ coach in the same situation, I would not want to disrupt the team, encourage the interim coach to finish the schedule and be a cheerleader for the team.)

o       What occurs to be a problem at the moment is sentiment – expressed by a few parents - that, if the Board felt compelled to send a ‘release’ concerning the event when it happened, why was one not sent after he was reinstated? The answer: You, (the Board) did prepare just such a release and it exists but cannot be released at this time because the coach in question elected to retain legal counsel whose approval for such release is needed and is pending.

o       My final observation is this: You, as a Board, represent sincere, dedicated people who are competent, caring and committed giving countless – and many times ‘thankless’ – hours (days, weeks, months, years?) of your time (and resources) to help sustain one of the top clubs in the State.  People ‘out there’ (including yours truly), are deeply impressed with the NW Nationals. Your reputation is above reproach. You are professionals in your own right albeit not necessarily ‘professionals in matters of conflict resolution and scary issues like the alleged incident that has occurred. I believe you did your best and your motives were – and are – pure. I commend you for not backing away in order to “play it safe”.

 
·        My suggestions:

 
o       Put pressure on the attorney of note to approve the letter so the membership can be informed.

o       Don’t beat yourselves up over criticisms that have been leveled at you – collectively or individually. These things happen and you did your best to manage it.

o       Finally, this is a great club that can be the prototype for every soccer club in the area, if not the country. What is past is past and the only way to proceed is to make every effort to focus on the future. Continue your commitment to administer the affairs of the club with the best interest of the kids at heart and resist every temptation to dwell on past events. Clinging to abuses - or mistakes in judgment or action - drains organizations and people of the energy needed for achieving great things. It’s time to move forward!!

Thanks for listening and enduring this lengthy treatise, but rest assured I am at your service in every way possible to help reach the goal of excellence in every sector of the club’s life.
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2009, 07:01:36 PM »

Very good and interesting letter by Cliff McGrath.   

However, the core issue of validity of previous elections and bylaw changes is not addressed in it.  (Nor should it have been by Cliff).

To answer a previous question, I do believe that in this context, "Members" refers to voting members.

The Tri-Ciites youth Soccer Association recently reviewed and reformed its bylaws, and decided to prohibit any employee of the association from being a "voting member".   That means that a paid coach or administrator is not allowed to have a vote.  All coaches in the association have a vote, but if they are paid their vote goes to an unpaid assistant or team manager.  If neither the assistant or team manager can be present, a parent from the team can cast that vote.  Proxies are no longer going to be allowed (one time we had one coach walk in to an Annual General Meeting with more Proxies in his pocket than the entire number of voters present......).   Employees of the association are not allowed to serve as voting members of TCYSA Board.  They can serve as non-voting members.   
  I fully agree with these principles.   Most clubs and Associations have different rules.

The issue of a paid DoC appointing paid Coaches who then vote in the board that hires and pays the DoCs and Coachs (Circular Loop) was very much on the mind of everyone who drew up the revised bylaws, even though it seems to be fairly common elsewhere.

The issue of the coach who was accused and then cleared by the state (lack of evidence) is not really germane and this is not the best forum to discuss the particulars in anycase.   


If I were to suggest anything to NWN, I would suggest that they hold a meeting as best as possible under both the old and disputed new bylaws and elect a new board, while allowing the old board members to stand for election.   No matter how you slice it, it is obvious that there has been some "irregularities".   We cannot tell on this forum to what extent, level, and degree these irregularities have been done at.   A fresh start, with someone from the Association (perhaps the entire association board) present to supervise the meeting, votes, election and ratification fo the new bylaws, is really what seems to be the best.   Anyone who then cannot live with the outcome is free to resign and go elsewhere. 

The worst thing to happen would be a drug out guerilla war between the two factions.

Having Cliff involved in making decisions on retaining or promoting the paid coaching staff is an excellent thing.  There is probably no one who is more respected and less controversial in soccer in this state.  If he decides to get rid of a coach, then only a total lunatic would think that it is any other than a performance based decision by an impartial expert.   And if he decides to keep a coach, it will not be because of "political pressures". 

Once the current situation is normalized, and a board is agreed upon, then perhaps a committee should be established to look at bylaw changes.



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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2009, 07:47:40 PM »

EWSoccer64 - Well said. 

The only thing I would wonder about in this situation is why was Cliff hired and by whom?  What is a technical director?  Do other clubs have them?  Wouldn't a DOC be a "technical director"?

Patient1 - You seem to be the spokesperson for the current board.  If NWN's is thinking of firing Ben S, please let the neighboring clubs know so they can hire him.  I would love for my kids to have him as their coach.  I, personally, think he is the best youth soccer coach in the state.  If Cliff recommends he be fired, I don't think he is a very good technical director. O0
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2009, 08:09:20 PM »

EWSoccer64 - Well said. 

The only thing I would wonder about in this situation is why was Cliff hired and by whom?  What is a technical director?  Do other clubs have them?  Wouldn't a DOC be a "technical director"?

Patient1 - You seem to be the spokesperson for the current board.  If NWN's is thinking of firing Ben S, please let the neighboring clubs know so they can hire him.  I would love for my kids to have him as their coach.  I, personally, think he is the best youth soccer coach in the state.  If Cliff recommends he be fired, I don't think he is a very good technical director. O0

That's a pretty bold second statement ...... I do not know Ben and I hope you are right, but calling Cliff not good if he gets rid of him...PLEASE

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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2009, 10:06:10 PM »

Patient 1 – It’s apparent that you are either on the NWN’s board and/or are tight with their treasurer i.e. president, board member, manager, registrar... who has found it fit to run the entire show herself. Slick move to hide behind a self appointed technical director.  Amazing timing on that addition. Those who know anything about the NWN/SPU haven’t been snowed.

EW64 – Please do your homework before you put anyone on a pedestal: "Having Cliff involved in making decisions on retaining or promoting the paid coaching staff is an excellent thing.  There is probably no one who is more respected and less controversial in soccer in this state." Do you really think that SPU’s abrupt termination was without cause? Controversy is a reality in this case.  Apparently ignorance is bliss for some.

As for Ben Somoza — Cream always rises to the top.   
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2009, 10:21:48 PM »

Patient 1 – It’s apparent that you are either on the NWN’s board and/or are tight with their treasurer i.e. president, board member, manager, registrar... who has found it fit to run the entire show herself. Slick move to hide behind a self appointed technical director.  Amazing timing on that addition. Those who know anything about the NWN/SPU haven’t been snowed.

EW64 – Please do your homework before you put anyone on a pedestal: "Having Cliff involved in making decisions on retaining or promoting the paid coaching staff is an excellent thing.  There is probably no one who is more respected and less controversial in soccer in this state." Do you really think that SPU’s abrupt termination was without cause? Controversy is a reality in this case.  Apparently ignorance is bliss for some.

As for Ben Somoza — Cream always rises to the top.   

When you decide to talk about cream rising to the top, it goes better in a post not slamming other. You may be right about Ben, i truly hope so. It would be more valid in a simple post of support for him with less of the other stuff. He's young and has nothing but upside...whatever the issues surrounding him were the hope is he learns and moves forward. Seems there are a few of you that love the guy and that's a great thing.

You won't find many who side with you on your thoughts on Cliff and your evaluation of him. I have seen plenty of coaches released from college coaching jobs for reasons of nothing more than "just because" If you know more than us, which you seem to think you do. Feel free to share.

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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2009, 10:26:07 PM »

patient1 you obviously have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.  Ben S. was cleared by the state of the absolutely ridiculous accusations that were made against him.  He is a fantastic coach, very professional and is highly respected.  When people make your type of remarks it tells me one thing, maybe it was your dk who played for him and, oh I can guess their playing time was probably cut and now you are disgruntled and out to get a fine coach.  

Where in the world do you get your information?  Perhaps you are friends with one of the corrupt and unethical members on the board.  I think it is very unfortunate that a couple of board members would have so much control.  What are they afraid of i.e. why don't they have a meeting?  why don't they hold proper elections and be elected to the board?  I can guess they are probably worried that they wouldn't be reelected.  I personally feel it is time for the entire board to go......  Let's clean house at the Nationals and start fresh.  Let's get rid of the board members that are on a power trip and want to be the big wigs in control.  I am tired of all the games that they play and in the process don't do what is best for the kids.

As far as  your remarks go about Arby, think again he is out there at everything.  He puts in a ton of time for this club.  He is constantly going and watching games, helping with other coaches practices and is a great guy.   He is a very caring coach!!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2009, 10:34:50 PM »

patient1 you obviously have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.  Ben S. was cleared by the state of the absolutely ridiculous accusations that were made against him.  He is a fantastic coach, very professional and is highly respected.  When people make your type of remarks it tells me one thing, maybe it was your dk who played for him and, oh I can guess their playing time was probably cut and now you are disgruntled and out to get a fine coach.  

Where in the world do you get your information?  Perhaps you are friends with one of the corrupt and unethical members on the board.  I think it is very unfortunate that a couple of board members would have so much control.  What are they afraid of i.e. why don't they have a meeting?  why don't they hold proper elections and be elected to the board?  I can guess they are probably worried that they wouldn't be reelected.  I personally feel it is time for the entire board to go......  Let's clean house at the Nationals and start fresh.  Let's get rid of the board members that are on a power trip and want to be the big wigs in control.  I am tired of all the games that they play and in the process don't do what is best for the kids.

As far as  your remarks go about Arby, think again he is out there at everything.  He puts in a ton of time for this club.  He is constantly going and watching games, helping with other coaches practices and is a great guy.   He is a very caring coach!!

Love the post for a first timer..... very well said and chalk up another person defending Ben. Welcome aboard soccerloco
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2009, 10:43:29 PM »

You lost me at...

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...emergency meeting of the members be called on January 25, 2009 at 8:00 P.M. at Rock Woodfired Pizza and Brewery for the purpose of holding an election for all the members of the board of directors and any other business deemed appropriate by the members including removal of a director from the board of directors in violation of the bylaws.
 :o  I'd love to watch after the first couple of rounds!!  :police:

...but I don't even think I want to know what came after this.

There is so much drama going on in Washington youth soccer, it really makes me question whether or not I want to put any more of our money into it.  More often than not lately, I'm thinking its not worth it.
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2009, 10:44:21 PM »

I am not at liberty to say ANYTHING on this matter ... but the emails were "rogue" . Leave it at that and do not read anything into this !!!


These emails posted are NOT "rogue" - they are exactly what was sent to all families in NWN and they are correct.
Sounds like someone is trying to cover their a$$ - cat is out of the bag FINALLY!  (It has been SOOOO LONG!)
We all need to wait and see how the situation gets worked out before a lot of speculation and what not goes on.
I have faith in the coaches!  They are the ones that are trying to do what is RIGHT and ETHICAL. 

Before you speak you should be sure you know all the facts flip flop.  Before you say this was sent to ALL NWN families you should be sure you know that.  I know numerous families who did not receive either e-mails from the coaches, but received the two from the board of directors.  While quite a few did receive it not evey family did.  i would assume these select coaches did not have access to all families e-mails or this was sent to the managers of each team to pass on and only a few managers chose to be smart not pass the unaurthorized e-mails on. In my opinion Mark is a complete A__.  By the way anyone notice how SPU did his first year of coaching  Get off your high horse and look where you came from.  It's about the kids not YOU.

If I were you, and had that attitude, I would QUICKLY remove my child from NWN. Completely out of line and not likely to win points with a DoC!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2009, 10:46:29 PM »

Obviously a volatile issue with ALMOST ALL OF YOU having NO idea what is going on at NWN. LEAVE IT BE!
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2009, 11:01:33 PM »

Obviously a volatile issue with ALMOST ALL OF YOU having NO idea what is going on at NWN. LEAVE IT BE!

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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2009, 11:06:14 PM »

patient1 you obviously have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.  Ben S. was cleared by the state of the absolutely ridiculous accusations that were made against him.  He is a fantastic coach, very professional and is highly respected.  When people make your type of remarks it tells me one thing, maybe it was your dk who played for him and, oh I can guess their playing time was probably cut and now you are disgruntled and out to get a fine coach.  

Where in the world do you get your information?  Perhaps you are friends with one of the corrupt and unethical members on the board.  I think it is very unfortunate that a couple of board members would have so much control.  What are they afraid of i.e. why don't they have a meeting?  why don't they hold proper elections and be elected to the board?  I can guess they are probably worried that they wouldn't be reelected.  I personally feel it is time for the entire board to go......  Let's clean house at the Nationals and start fresh.  Let's get rid of the board members that are on a power trip and want to be the big wigs in control.  I am tired of all the games that they play and in the process don't do what is best for the kids.

As far as  your remarks go about Arby, think again he is out there at everything.  He puts in a ton of time for this club.  He is constantly going and watching games, helping with other coaches practices and is a great guy.   He is a very caring coach!!

Your cheap shots against my kid are so far from the truth it is actually funny.  My kid actually very rarely comes out of the game, but thanks for the concern on the playing time but no need to worry.  I am sorry, but Ben was not cleared by the state, the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence.  In legal terms that means two different things deary.  

I am still waiting for anyone to please tell me what these DOC's have done this year while they collected their paychecks.  You can't seem to tell it either.  You have a right to your opinion and I have mine.  We can agree to disagree.   To say the board is not doing what is best for the kids but Mark, Arby, Ben and John are?  Get a grip.  Please tell me what they have done for ALL the NWN kids.  What have they put together to help raise money for the kids?  What exactly have they done to tell all of us parents they are in it for the kids?  Everyone says they are great coaches, there are alot of great coaches but what else are they doing to make this club better for the kids?  Last year Mark couldn't even show up at half his practices.  

I would love to see how many practices they have attended (besides Arby attending his own).  They have not been at one of our teams practice nor I have seen them at any other practices at the same time as ours.  Maybe it is just a certain few they attend.  What have they done for these kids this year to show they care and should be in charge?  Change my mind please.

One more thing soccer loco (like your name by the way it is very fitting for this post): 
It's really noble of you to stand up for the men that you think have integrity but the real truth will be coming out soon.  Don't worry no hard feelings, you're not the only one- alot of other parents have been fooled too.  It's important you get the facts straight though- I would like to re-iterate the case with the State was dismissed, not cleared and he's still not out of the woods yet. 
 
With reference to G-DOC(i'll refer to him this way from now on), I was thinking you must have been at ODP and not at any NWN's league games this fall.  Comments: "Who is the Girl's Coaching Director and what does he look like?"  SPU will definitely be affected and it doesn't really matter what side anyone is on....Time tests everything and the truth will be known soon enough to put this all to rest. 
 
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2009, 12:23:11 AM »

You can sure tell which clubs are tops when you see the amount of blah blah blah when they have club issues that pop up.
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Re: Some NWN Coaches and the Board of Directors just can't seem to get along!
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2009, 01:23:16 AM »

Sissy  made a good point in that we all react according to our own experiences or biases.  For instance, Soccerloco, “by your remarks it tells me one thing", your dk plays for this coach and gets lots of playing time and your are out to defend your/his position and interests.  See, it goes both ways and we don’t really know how much truth there is to it.
You say you dislike having a few board members with so much control, but really you just want a few different people to have that control.  Per these coach's petition "Each member of the membership (aka coaches) will vote for 7 candidates only 3 of whom can be non coaches. The 7 candidates getting the most votes will be the new directors except that only 3 can be non-coaches".  They made sure they got that in twice, it must be very important to them.  Of course this board would not get re-elected by these coaches, they are making it very clear they want no mere parent having any input into their job performance.  The goal of their petition is to ensure there is no coaching oversight whatsoever, and to have controlling power of this club.

If you feel a parent has a lot of control, perhaps it is because they were the only ones who stepped up to help this club when it badly needed it.  I think people would be amazed at what they owe the parent volunteers of this club without realizing it.  Before you drag some VOLUNTEERS in the mud, please tell me specifically what jobs you have volunteered for with this club.  How have you helped?  What was made better for this club because of you?  I tend to see the same people volunteering over and over, doing jobs that do not benefit them in the slightest.  Like people who don’t need scholarships themselves, but who put in COUNTLESS hours putting together events whose sole purpose is to bring money into the club for kids who would not otherwise be able to play premier soccer.  I think these people’s efforts put you to shame.

Speaking of which, DOC’s, before your meeting tomorrow, please outline for us what you duties you have performed this year, and the amount of time you spent on them.  What have you done to bring about the Spring Academy this year?  From what I’ve heard it was nothing.  How many coach’s evaluations have you performed, and where are they.  What day-to-day administrative duties have you done to help this club run smoothly?  And since you haven't been doing these things, who will be doing them for you?  Which team's practices or games have you attended this year?  We haven't seen you all year. 

Is it true three 2008 board members voted themselves a (40%?!) raise without prior talks with the rest of the board?
Is it true when you were asked for accountability on your lack of communication you resigned your board positions? (and now you want them back only if you can be the boss?)
Is it true that while you were collected salaries from fees paid by the player’s families, you advised/ instructed coaches not to attend the 2008 NWN Auction?  (If so, this proves beyond a doubt you do not have the kids at heart.  That you are after only your own interests and are utterly reprehensible.  How dare you.)

I have to ask:  What is the coach’s intentions with all of this?  Are they really in it for the kids or is it about power and money? What I've heard and should be validated soon is that the 3 people in question when serving on the board in 2008 made financial decisions on salaries (their own) without the consent of the entire board.  What I understand is the disagreements started in Jan 2008 and when held to accountability during the season for lack of communication, they chose to bow out of the board. 
Now they only want to be on the board if they can control it.  Even if you are a parent who loves their kid’s coach (as I am) you cannot possibly see any benefits to your child/family with this scenario. 

Cliff McCrath is a refreshing and positivie influence for NWN.  He's an incredible icon in our industry and has proven himself with a lifetime of dedication to our state's youth and will only do the right thing when it comes to coaches and the program in our club.  He is not dependant on the DOCs or the Board for his livilihood.  He doesn't need us, we need him.

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2009, 01:26:35 AM »

>>>You can sure tell which clubs are tops when you see the amount of blah blah blah when they have club issues that pop up.<<<

Is NWN one of the Big Six?
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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2009, 01:28:38 AM »

I would say yes.
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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2009, 01:33:05 AM »

Well,  I think I have figured this out.  Your a parent or should I say I think possibly a board member from the GU-15 team.  No wonder you are out to slam the G-DOC and Mr. Somoza and no wonder playing time is not an issue for your dk.  I understand it is not okay to have a difference of opinion from the almighty who thinks this is her club and everything revolves around her and her power trip.  

What did I say so wrong:

     1.  Have a meeting if people, parents, coaches or whoever are requesting it.
     2.  That board members should be elected not appointed.  (this would be in the clubs best interest so no one can say anything unethical is going on)
     3.  I said IMHO Ben Somoza is a very stand up guy.  I feel he is very ethical and I know for a fact that he had a ton of support behind him.  
     4.  I said that I have witnessed myself on numerous occasions that Arby is at a lot of Nationals practices and games.  (I wonder how many games the President of the Board or Treasurer of the Board have attended, besides their own dk.)
     5.  I do not feel it is right to throw names of people out there and slander their name and damage their reputation without solid proof.  If the board was doing such a bang up job of handling the Ben ordeal why in the world did they send out such a one sided e-mail to all the parents.  The professional and ethical way to have handled the situation would of been to say:  Yes, we have had an accusation made against one of our coaches.  We take this very seriously in regards to the player and the coach.  We will be investigating the incident immediately and in a very appropriate manner.  Please know that we will handle this in the best way possible.
     6.  Do you think it is right for the board to not respond to e-mails on who is going to coach Ben's team, not provide a field and the parents have to hold their own practice because the board won't respond to the teams e-mails.  If you are going to handle things professionally from the boards point of view, you should be fair across the board.  Treat the team fairly don't punish them because they have faith in their coach and believe in him.  Try to be understanding that this is a lot for all the families to go thru and also the coach if he is falsely accused.  What if false accusations were made against you or a member of your family??  If I remember right doesn't it go something like this INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!
     7.  If the board was investigating why didn't they talk to other parents, players, team managers of other teams that Ben was involved in to find out if they had ever experienced anything like this.  
     8.  Lack of evidence means that you don't have enough evidence to bring forward a case. (CASE DISMISSED DUE TO LACK OF EVIDENCE)  That certainly doesn't prove guilt the last time that I checked.
     9.  What would be so wrong with bringing in some fresh faces to the board.  I would like to see a new BOD, maybe people without agendas who are just looking out for what is best for the kids.  People who don't have to be in control of everything.  
    10.  Lastly, I truly hope NWN can work all of this out and do what is best for the kids and the parents since we are paying the bill.  

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