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[breakaway]

Wow, 1/4 of the team from Eastern Washington is a lot.  That's like what...9 players?  In the pool?

[Left Foot]

breakaway - not the pool, on the team that went to regional camp and attended odp tourneys.

EwSoccer64 - Your concern for soccer in this state is laudable You have been consistent in that regard. In addition, the issues you raise related to a geographic bias may well be valid if for no other reason than practical logistics.

We are in much the same situation re DS's and DD's. I was mostly aiming my more sarcastic comments to the thread of arguments that run through any discussions related to ODP. You know - little Sally from our rec team is just as good as ANY college player and she wasn't selected! The fix is in!

[get serious]

- something is very clearly unbalanced, biased and wrong here.
All this was confirmed when I got my daughters evaluation.  For those who know my dd, it was honestly a joke.  Like they just blindly checked boxes. And even if she was as unskilled as they stated, why in the heck did they have her keep coming back until the very last tryout.  If that the evaluation was truly a reflection of my daughters skills, she should have been cut after the first time. 

Because they tried seeing as many as possible at one time and goofed! ( OK many at one time, over several tryouts )
I know of at least 3 girls that got BAD evaluations and I was like WTH? These girls ARE GOOD and they gave them evals clearly for someone else! One said 'lacked foot skills' where she exceled and the other was 'she couldn't run very fast' whereas she is also on track!

You have to remember that the evaluations are based on perceptions of the evaluator/s. There were many DK's on the field to look at. Did the player not shine like they normally do when they were being evaluated? Was that the moment of a bad touch or missed save? Or were they equal to another player that is already in the pool.
While my DD didn't agree with some of her evaluation she has given it more thought. The coach was looking for something he felt she didn't have. I do not know if she will try out again but she has already come away a better player.
We will receive a lot of feedback in life, some difficult. It is how we choose to use that imformation that makes us who we are.

[2muchsoccer]

Eggy - That might work for those players from the Spokane area, but those from Centralwashington/Yakima it would be a 6 hour drive vs a 2 hour drive.

As I understand it, Idaho really does not want to take kids from Eastern Washington, but will if they are club players for an Idaho club.   Part of the problem is that Idaho has a different seasonal schedule with club and HS than we do in WA.

And remember, WSYSA in the past has refused to release Washington registered players to play ODP in other states. 

Interesting note on the Vancouver players, and thanks for letting us know as I meant to ask about it.   Are all the Vancouver players in Oregon ODP playing for Oregon club teams?

Not sure on all the 95 girls, but of the 8 girls eggy talks of I know 2 of those girls play for an Oregon team (but just recently), 4 girls all play for WA teams, and the other 2 ??

[breakaway]

- something is very clearly unbalanced, biased and wrong here.
All this was confirmed when I got my daughters evaluation.  For those who know my dd, it was honestly a joke.  Like they just blindly checked boxes. And even if she was as unskilled as they stated, why in the heck did they have her keep coming back until the very last tryout.  If that the evaluation was truly a reflection of my daughters skills, she should have been cut after the first time. 

Because they tried seeing as many as possible at one time and goofed! ( OK many at one time, over several tryouts )
I know of at least 3 girls that got BAD evaluations and I was like WTH? These girls ARE GOOD and they gave them evals clearly for someone else! One said 'lacked foot skills' where she exceled and the other was 'she couldn't run very fast' whereas she is also on track!

DD went through the same thing her very first year.  But she fought back and she fought back hard to prove them wrong!  Believe me, if they are truly dedicated, it will happen for them.  I wish then the best.

[MA]

I laughed when I read dd's eval because it said she was slow.     

[Eggy]

Oregon ODP

On the G95 team there are 8 Wash players. 6 player for Wash teams (4 PDL Div 1) (2 WYSL P1) and 2 player for a Oregon team. The two that play on a Oregon team played in Wash U-11 to U-13.

I believe that on the G94 team more of the Wash player are on Oregon club teams.

[cheersme95keep]

I laughed when I read dd's eval because it said she was slow.     

Yeah, that was the kind of comment that you'd see and say WTH??? 

[Left Foot]

- something is very clearly unbalanced, biased and wrong here.
All this was confirmed when I got my daughters evaluation.  For those who know my dd, it was honestly a joke.  Like they just blindly checked boxes. And even if she was as unskilled as they stated, why in the heck did they have her keep coming back until the very last tryout.  If that the evaluation was truly a reflection of my daughters skills, she should have been cut after the first time. 

Because they tried seeing as many as possible at one time and goofed! ( OK many at one time, over several tryouts )
I know of at least 3 girls that got BAD evaluations and I was like WTH? These girls ARE GOOD and they gave them evals clearly for someone else! One said 'lacked foot skills' where she exceled and the other was 'she couldn't run very fast' whereas she is also on track!

You have to remember that the evaluations are based on perceptions of the evaluator/s. There were many DK's on the field to look at. Did the player not shine like they normally do when they were being evaluated? Was that the moment of a bad touch or missed save? Or were they equal to another player that is already in the pool.
While my DD didn't agree with some of her evaluation she has given it more thought. The coach was looking for something he felt she didn't have. I do not know if she will try out again but she has already come away a better player.
We will receive a lot of feedback in life, some difficult. It is how we choose to use that imformation that makes us who we are.

That's a new one - not only are the evaluators (who are mostly long time coaches) totaly wrong but their evaluations don't even pertain to little Sally! Track speed does not equate to game speed and most track kids don't win any races. Assuming they don't throw the disc... (OF course you could be joking, just can't tell.) Don't get me wrong, I am sure that mistakes are made, but telling little Sally that she should ignore the feedback because the professional coaches are obviously wrong and that she's better than all those talentless slobs who did make the team would not seem to foster an ethic of continual work and consequent improvement.

Keep in mind that most kids will eventually get that evaluation that precludes them from moving to the next level -- might be at the State team level, Regional or otherwise. The question is -- will the kid listen or use an excuse not to improve?.......AND when the evaluators suck -- it sucks!

[Goon]

People, People, People.....who has not had a bad day before when you needed to be at your best?  On that DAY your kid probably was slow, on that DAY your kid could not trap / pass, on that DAY your kid looked lost or it just was not your DAY.  One DAY (good or bad) does not define your level of success, if you want to get better you will take the evaluation of youself on that DAY and look to get better and not make excuses.  If it was a great eval (you made it) do not stop working, if it was a bad eval (got cut) do not stop working.

[juggles]

The biggest problem with some of the responses on this thread is the notion that parents are able to OBJECTIVELY evaluate the talent level of their own children.

[Goon]

True..True

[Left Foot]

The biggest problem with some of the responses on this thread is the notion that parents are able to OBJECTIVELY evaluate the talent level of their own children.

Absolutely! Except of course for me - I have the unique ability to remain completely objective about my DDs performance on the soccer field.

Remember, everyone can drive better than everyone else!

[basketballdad]

Great post juggles. You are right on. Everyone is an expert when it comes to their own kids. My son is in danger of getting cut tonight from the high school C team squad and while I hope he makes it I pointed the lack of preparation he has done that might impact his chances. He is a football player (where he is good) and a soccer player that just enjoys playing the game but does not put the time in. We will see. I hope he makes it but if he doesn't he will learn a lesson also.

[cheersme95keep]

Great post juggles. You are right on. Everyone is an expert when it comes to their own kids. My son is in danger of getting cut tonight from the high school C team squad and while I hope he makes it I pointed the lack of preparation he has done that might impact his chances. He is a football player (where he is good) and a soccer player that just enjoys playing the game but does not put the time in. We will see. I hope he makes it but if he doesn't he will learn a lesson also.

DD got cut last year at the 95 tryout.  They didn't give out evaluations but we both knew, by her performance, why she wasn't pulled through.  It's not to say if she had a 2nd chance it might have gone better....... she was 12 and that day it was freeeeezing cold outside and every drop kick she made was short or flat or this or that but she had several opportunities to shine that day so we always felt she got a fair chance for that day, and it was up to her, her work and not who she was or what club she played for but was based on the performance and it wasn't good enough that day.  It was a learning experience and she won't forget it. 

[Spam in a can]

I have a "If I am the coach test"   Cuts my DD evaluation right on down to size.

[Love the Lefty]

I don't know any of your DKs, so this isn't directed at any one in particular.  Just giving my 2-cents to this topic:

I have seen several of these ODP tryouts, and there are LOTS of kids that look like great players.  The problem is that there are TOO many for the pool, so tough decisions have to be made.

I think when you have a group of so many talented players who are all trying out for limited spots, it is CRITICAL for a player to do something that "stands out" from the others so that he/she becomes a memorable player.  If the coaches don't remember your DK enough to give an accurate evaluation, she might not have stood out from the croud of other very good players.  This doesn't mean that your DD isn't an awesome player, but maybe she didn't show her stuff in a memorable way THAT DAY, or over the course of that tryout.  Or maybe there are two players with equivalent skills but one is just a second or two faster, or stronger than your DK.  It may be a seemingly "little" thing, but it may have been enough to tip the scale in favor of one or the other.

There are so many aspects that can and should be taken into account when trying to NARROW the pool of extremely good players.  I would say that many CPS are oblivious to many of these skills/traits/characteristics when watching a soccer game.  How good is the player's FIRST touch when receiving a pass?  Does the player demonstrate confidence with the ball or are they too quick to dish the ball?  Speed is important, but not if good ball control is missing and they can't keep the ball in 1v1 or 1v2 situations.  Is the player REALLY good at one position or can she play other positions as needed?  Does the player BOOT the ball or does she make accurate LONG passes TO HER TEAMATE? Is the player coachable? Does player have good attitude on and off the field?

When you are watching your DKs play this weekend, pay attention to these "little things" ... do your DKs have room to improve?  I know mine does...that's what practice is for!