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Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« on: February 27, 2009, 11:28:54 PM »

I am so ashamed for the conservatives, aren't you?


Are conservatives really this shameful?
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Criticizing Ty'Sheoma Bethea

I thought it would come from Michelle Malkin or Rush Limbaugh, but Malkin is too busy planning her anti-tax tea parties while Rush gets ready for his close-up at the Conservative Political Action Committee this weekend (which is a collection of nuts so nutty even Sarah Palin stayed away).

No, it was the conservative Washington Times that cast the first stone at Ty'Sheoma Bethea, the Dillon, S.C., teenager who wrote to Congress seeking stimulus funds for her shamefully dilapidated school. Obama used her statement, "We are not quitters," as the coda of his speech Tuesday night, but now the Moon-owned paper tells us what's wrong with Bethea, in an editorial with the condescending headline, 'Yes, Ty'Sheoma, there is a Santa Claus."

Obama "presented" Bethea "as a plucky girl from a hopeless school who took it on herself to write the president and Congress asking for much needed help," the Times began, ominously. Wait, she's not a plucky girl from a hopeless school? The editorial depicts her instead as a player in Obama's "mere political theater" because the president has been using her school, J.V. Martin, as a "political prop" since he first visited in 2005. Wow. Dastardly.  I'm getting the picture: Obama, that slick Democrat opportunist, has repeatedly visited one of the poorest schools in South Carolina, a state that voted for John McCain.  You just know he leaves with his pockets stuffed with cash every time he makes the trip.

It gets worse. The Times insists Dillon residents haven't been callous about conditions at Ty'Sheoma's school; in fact they passed a 2007 bond measure to reconstruct it. That's true, but it's only part of the story: The Chicago Tribune's Howard Witt reported that the bond measure "ran aground of the national credit crisis: No bank will loan the school district the construction funds."

Facts be damned. To the Times, the plight of J.V. Martin is actually a story of how locals can solve their own problem, but Ty'Sheoma and Obama have hijacked it to make it an example of how only the federal government can help. Obama said Ty'Sheoma's letter reflected "a willingness to take responsibility for our future and for posterity." The Times disagrees: "What is on display is not responsibility but irresponsibility. This is the new reality in America, that those with political pull will benefit, those without will not ... Connections are replacing competence as a measure of a person's worth."

Got it? Ty'Sheoma Bethea, she's no enterprising teen from a broken-down school. She sounds like the new Jack Abramoff, using her "political pull" and "connections" to benefit herself.

Yes, they're that crazy.

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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 01:42:02 AM »

From Salon.com, enough said!
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 05:28:29 AM »

When you can't argue on its merits attack the messenger. Enough said.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 12:33:42 PM »

When you can't argue on its merits attack the messenger. Enough said.

Wrong! I just don't have the time or energy (or knowledge in some cases) as HB.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 07:06:58 PM »

Got Rythym, I agree with you on that one. No one has as much time has Handball does.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 09:08:20 PM »


69,456,897 americans cant be wrong

not wrong, just deceived.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 12:41:27 AM »

Got Rythym, I agree with you on that one. No one has as much time has Handball does.
You think?  Is that why Obama supporters can't defend what he's doing?  Not enough time to pay attention beyond worshiping?

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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 02:49:58 PM »

Doing a lot better job with limited time than conservatives did trying to defend Bush. That was funny watching the gyrations of conservatives attempting to defend Bush on some things as he escalated the debt, attempted immigration reform that his party hated, and did a variety of other things they hated. At least democrats know what they got with Obama and don't have to throw out their principles to justify his behavior. How did the riding debt under Bush get treated? Or how was that when the Republicans went after Bush on his immigration reform plan? Or how about the bailouts that the conservatives are railing at but some voted for when Bush wanted it. I would get pulled muscles from so many mental gyrations if I was a Republican.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 04:26:57 PM »

Doing a lot better job with limited time than conservatives did trying to defend Bush. That was funny watching the gyrations of conservatives attempting to defend Bush on some things as he escalated the debt, attempted immigration reform that his party hated, and did a variety of other things they hated. At least democrats know what they got with Obama and don't have to throw out their principles to justify his behavior. How did the riding debt under Bush get treated? Or how was that when the Republicans went after Bush on his immigration reform plan? Or how about the bailouts that the conservatives are railing at but some voted for when Bush wanted it. I would get pulled muscles from so many mental gyrations if I was a Republican.

Debt - 9/11, recovering from the Clinton Recession, and the Wars.
Immigration Reform - Republicans stuck to their values when the President did something that offended them.
First Bail Out -  Was with the promise that this would be a one time only thing and that it was vital to prevent a full scale Meltdown.  So the Republicans said "just this once..........".   And now they have been trying to stick to it.

Having a party that will disagree with its own President, on the merits of the issue, is far better than the liberals walking lock step behind their leadership, sipping at the kool aid the whole way...

Besides, the worst things that President Bush did you have not even listed.  The quasi-apology to China was just the first such, when we should have sunk a few of their subs in payback.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 04:53:11 PM »

Doing a lot better job with limited time than conservatives did trying to defend Bush.

You might want to consider not swapping conservatives and Republicans in the same charge.  They can be, and these days are two entirely different groups with only some overlap.  If you had an opportunity to follow conservatives in the past, you'd find that many saw the desperation in the  border issue and the pending collapse of Mexico to the drug kingpins if something wasn't done.  Bush looked to an ugly alternative, and he lost.  We'll see if Mexico and our southern states avoid the consequences of doing nothing.  The collapse of Mexico could now be close and we can be certain that Obama is uninterested in preventing it. 

Other conservatives strongly objected to Bush's going along with liberal spenders on both sides of the aisle, but then again, Bush was fighting wars that Democrats were working to lose and too many Republicans saw as an opportunity to funnel pork to their constituents.  Bush could have played hardball on spending, and we'd have been forced to pull out of the Middle East through sheer lack of funding.  He tried to tackle one of the biggest long-term issues facing America, Social Security, and the left assailed him for that.

If you were to look at the actual data on growth of different aspects of government, you might be a little more forgiving of Bush, considering he adopted a massive discretionary increase in social spending from Clinton, continuing an upward trend that Obama has even steepened upward in its slope in just a month.  Bush adopted a recession, than an attack on 9/11 that Clinton had almost literally invited.  Then while many in Congress on the left obstructed efforts to avoid it, the credit and derivatives nightmare that Clinton and the previous Congress handed Bush (Republicans and Democrats) the day he entered office engulfed the world last year.

It is so easy to throw blame on a president.  Even easier when you're politically opposed to that president and his party.  What takes real honesty is doing the hard thing, and looking at the real causes of our problems, instead simple outcomes to dishonestly imply a causality that is false.

I didn't know how bad this derivatives problem was a year ago.  And if we had a media that was doing their job, we all might have known about it in 2000 when Clinton signed the bill that would doom the Global economy.  The fact that the media helped keep it under wraps to protect its Democrat allies, and that Bush was forced to take desperate action to prevent a total collapse of the economy last year, is a pretty unfair context to throw all your stones at Bush and Republicans.   That thinking demonstrates, though, why we have a socialist in office whose every step appears set on growing this crisis so it can be exploited even further to change America.

DOW down another 300 points today.  That's real money that many Americans depend on.  And Obama hasn't done a thing yet that is actually going to improve this mess.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 05:13:25 PM »

Handball please follow your own advice. As you talk about assailing presidents who are not of your party and then you turn around and make apologies for Bush's tremendous mistakes while assailing Clinton and Obama. YOu might as well be talking about yourself in your post. Name three things Clinton did well? Can you. I very much disliked Bush and think he was a terrible president for conservatives and liberals but I can name three things I think he did pertty well. I owe no allegiance to any party or person but look at what is going on like you. No one president can save us nor can he or she doom us all.
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Re: Are conservatives really this pathetic?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 01:07:03 PM »

From the WSJ.    Very interesting piece of journalism.

>>>As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

 The Democrats who now run Washington don't want to hear this, because they benefit from blaming all bad economic news on President Bush. And Mr. Obama has inherited an unusual recession deepened by credit problems, both of which will take time to climb out of. But it's also true that the economy has fallen far enough, and long enough, that much of the excess that led to recession is being worked off. Already 15 months old, the current recession will soon match the average length -- and average job loss -- of the last three postwar downturns. What goes down will come up -- unless destructive policies interfere with the sources of potential recovery.

And those sources have been forming for some time. The price of oil and other commodities have fallen by two-thirds since their 2008 summer peak, which has the effect of a major tax cut. The world is awash in liquidity, thanks to monetary ease by the Federal Reserve and other central banks. Monetary policy operates with a lag, but last year's easing will eventually stir economic activity.

Housing prices have fallen 27% from their Case-Shiller peak, or some two-thirds of the way back to their historical trend. While still high, credit spreads are far from their peaks during the panic, and corporate borrowers are again able to tap the credit markets. As equities were signaling with their late 2008 rally and January top, growth should under normal circumstances begin to appear in the second half of this year.

So what has happened in the last two months? The economy has received no great new outside shock. Exchange rates and other prices have been stable, and there are no security crises of note. The reality of a sharp recession has been known and built into stock prices since last year's fourth quarter.

What is new is the unveiling of Mr. Obama's agenda and his approach to governance. Every new President has a finite stock of capital -- financial and political -- to deploy, and amid recession Mr. Obama has more than most. But one negative revelation has been the way he has chosen to spend his scarce resources on income transfers rather than growth promotion. Most of his "stimulus" spending was devoted to social programs, rather than public works, and nearly all of the tax cuts were devoted to income maintenance rather than to improving incentives to work or invest.

His Treasury has been making a similar mistake with its financial bailout plans. The banking system needs to work through its losses, and one necessary use of public capital is to assist in burning down those bad assets as fast as possible. Yet most of Team Obama's ministrations so far have gone toward triage and life support, rather than repair and recovery.

AIG yesterday received its fourth "rescue," including $70 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program cash, without any clear business direction. (See here.) Citigroup's restructuring last week added not a dollar of new capital, and also no clear direction. Perhaps the imminent Treasury "stress tests" will clear the decks, but until they do the banks are all living in fear of becoming the next AIG. All of this squanders public money that could better go toward burning down bank debt.

The market has notably plunged since Mr. Obama introduced his budget last week, and that should be no surprise. The document was a declaration of hostility toward capitalists across the economy. Health-care stocks have dived on fears of new government mandates and price controls. Private lenders to students have been told they're no longer wanted. Anyone who uses carbon energy has been warned to expect a huge tax increase from cap and trade. And every risk-taker and investor now knows that another tax increase will slam the economy in 2011, unless Mr. Obama lets Speaker Nancy Pelosi impose one even earlier.

Meanwhile, Congress demands more bank lending even as it assails lenders and threatens to let judges rewrite mortgage contracts. The powers in Congress -- unrebuked by Mr. Obama -- are ridiculing and punishing the very capitalists who are essential to a sustainable recovery. The result has been a capital strike, and the return of the fear from last year that we could face a far deeper downturn. This is no way to nurture a wounded economy back to health.

Listening to Mr. Obama and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, on the weekend, we couldn't help but wonder if they appreciate any of this. They seem preoccupied with going to the barricades against Republicans who wield little power, or picking a fight with Rush Limbaugh, as if this is the kind of economic leadership Americans want.

Perhaps they're reading the polls and figure they have two or three years before voters stop blaming Republicans and Mr. Bush for the economy. Even if that's right in the long run, in the meantime their assault on business and investors is delaying a recovery and ensuring that the expansion will be weaker than it should be when it finally does arrive.<<<<<<<<

 

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