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[P Daddy]

The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) offered the following observation several years ago and it bears poignant significance today:

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You can not multiply the wealth by dividing it."

[poolboy]

pdiddy daddy dude, i see organge dudes too all the time;) let's HOPE the CHANGE will slow down and that the ONE  will too.

[sissy]

The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) offered the following observation several years ago and it bears poignant significance today:

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You can not multiply the wealth by dividing it."

AMEN!!!!!!!

[93soccerdad]

The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) offered the following observation several years ago and it bears poignant significance today:

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You can not multiply the wealth by dividing it."

AMEN!!!!!!!

Double AMEN!!  The statement above applies to soccer as well (trying to make a soccer connection).  If half of a top-level team is not playing hard week after week...the team begins to lose and confidence erodes...eventually, even the half of the team that was fired up and dedicated begin to become affected and slack off.  Hard work and working hard is the only way through this "crisis" and to be successful...be it school, soccer, business, personal life, etc....requires dedication and a belief in ourselves and each other.  We are each responsible for our own lot in life (there are notable exceptions)...we are each ultimately responsible for our own success or failure...it is up to each of us, not the government.  YES WE CAN (each of us)...NO THEY CAN'T (the government)!!!

[sissy]

The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005) offered the following observation several years ago and it bears poignant significance today:

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You can not multiply the wealth by dividing it."

AMEN!!!!!!!

Double AMEN!!  The statement above applies to soccer as well (trying to make a soccer connection).  If half of a top-level team is not playing hard week after week...the team begins to lose and confidence erodes...eventually, even the half of the team that was fired up and dedicated begin to become affected and slack off.  Hard work and working hard is the only way through this "crisis" and to be successful...be it school, soccer, business, personal life, etc....requires dedication and a belief in ourselves and each other.  We are each responsible for our own lot in life (there are notable exceptions)...we are each ultimately responsible for our own success or failure...it is up to each of us, not the government.  YES WE CAN (each of us)...NO THEY CAN'T (the government)!!!

Nice parallel & very true.  If you never have to work hard for something and you are just given things, you never really understand/appreciate the value.  It's similar to a child's perception of money...."just go to the bank/ATM and get some more" with no concept of where it came from or how it got there.

[basketballdad]

Soccerdad you have never worked within a public school system. While I would agree with you for the most part the majority of adults and their children would not as they have an excuse for any negative action that occurs in their life. You would be shocked by some of the reasons given for failure. Of course you would be amused by just as many also.

[93soccerdad]

Soccerdad you have never worked within a public school system. While I would agree with you for the most part the majority of adults and their children would not as they have an excuse for any negative action that occurs in their life. You would be shocked by some of the reasons given for failure. Of course you would be amused by just as many also.

Hey BBD!  You are right that I have never worked within a public school system...but I have seen a LOT of what you are saying. My wife is an educator at one of the local middle schools working in special ed.  I've grown tired and immune to the ration of "excusitis" that runs rampant in our schools (parents, kids, educators, and administrators).  I thank God for teachers and educators who have NOT grown tired and immune...who still have their energy and desire to teach and make a difference in the life of even one child...my wife and many of her associates/friends are that type of person.  She (and the others) is a much better person than I...maybe that is why I love her so. 

[EWSoccer64]

Soccerdad you have never worked within a public school system. While I would agree with you for the most part the majority of adults and their children would not as they have an excuse for any negative action that occurs in their life. You would be shocked by some of the reasons given for failure. Of course you would be amused by just as many also.

Hey BBD!  You are right that I have never worked within a public school system...but I have seen a LOT of what you are saying. My wife is an educator at one of the local middle schools working in special ed.  I've grown tired and immune to the ration of "excusitis" that runs rampant in our schools (parents, kids, educators, and administrators).  I thank God for teachers and educators who have NOT grown tired and immune...who still have their energy and desire to teach and make a difference in the life of even one child...my wife and many of her associates/friends are that type of person.  She (and the others) is a much better person than I...maybe that is why I love her so. 

93SoccerDad,

You have to be the most cheerful, optimistic, nice guy in the entire state.   It's really sickening and depressing.  If you ever have a bad day and are mad at the world, please let us know.   Please stop making the world a better place with your eternal good cheer.  Every post you make is filled with good humor, cheerfulness, and compliments to your fellow man.   If you keep it up, I will send you a PM every day with one depressing fact in it.   And if that does not do it, we can make you a coach under the clown who puts on the Blue Mountain Exchange....

sincerely, EWSoccer64.

[RamaBama]

Soccerdad you have never worked within a public school system. While I would agree with you for the most part the majority of adults and their children would not as they have an excuse for any negative action that occurs in their life. You would be shocked by some of the reasons given for failure. Of course you would be amused by just as many also.

Hey BBD!  You are right that I have never worked within a public school system...but I have seen a LOT of what you are saying. My wife is an educator at one of the local middle schools working in special ed.  I've grown tired and immune to the ration of "excusitis" that runs rampant in our schools (parents, kids, educators, and administrators).  I thank God for teachers and educators who have NOT grown tired and immune...who still have their energy and desire to teach and make a difference in the life of even one child...my wife and many of her associates/friends are that type of person.  She (and the others) is a much better person than I...maybe that is why I love her so. 

That's a nice post...  not typical in this forum, but refreshing
Thanks

[P Daddy]

Basketballdad, I have to agree with soccerdad, it’s about “personal responsibility”.  You as a teacher do not have to accept the excuses you get from your students, just because their parents do. At the same time I realize it’s not your job to instill values in your students, but accepting excuses doesn’t teach them anything.

[GotRhythm]

Basketballdad, I have to agree with soccerdad, it’s about “personal responsibility”.  You as a teacher do not have to accept the excuses you get from your students, just because their parents do. At the same time I realize it’s not your job to instill values in your students, but accepting excuses doesn’t teach them anything.

And what was your excuse P Daddio for not being at practice today? I froze my A#@ off with Linda and Casey!

[93soccerdad]

Soccerdad you have never worked within a public school system. While I would agree with you for the most part the majority of adults and their children would not as they have an excuse for any negative action that occurs in their life. You would be shocked by some of the reasons given for failure. Of course you would be amused by just as many also.

Hey BBD!  You are right that I have never worked within a public school system...but I have seen a LOT of what you are saying. My wife is an educator at one of the local middle schools working in special ed.  I've grown tired and immune to the ration of "excusitis" that runs rampant in our schools (parents, kids, educators, and administrators).  I thank God for teachers and educators who have NOT grown tired and immune...who still have their energy and desire to teach and make a difference in the life of even one child...my wife and many of her associates/friends are that type of person.  She (and the others) is a much better person than I...maybe that is why I love her so. 

93SoccerDad,

You have to be the most cheerful, optimistic, nice guy in the entire state.   It's really sickening and depressing.  If you ever have a bad day and are mad at the world, please let us know.   Please stop making the world a better place with your eternal good cheer.  Every post you make is filled with good humor, cheerfulness, and compliments to your fellow man.   If you keep it up, I will send you a PM every day with one depressing fact in it.   And if that does not do it, we can make you a coach under the clown who puts on the Blue Mountain Exchange....

sincerely, EWSoccer64.

Hey EW!  Sorry to bring you down with my constantly being "up".  I'll try to tone it down...NOT!  I do hope we get the opportunity to meet up some day...

[basketballdad]

P Daddy you have not been in a public school lately. First, federal law and IEP documents require that you provide accomodations for those students who have special needs. I have no problem with that at all but I had one student whose only qualification for special needs was that he was "unmotivated". It made a travesty of those students who really do have special needs and need special assstance. Second, you have 504 plans which are not part of special education per se but require special accomodations. Most are for perfectly understandable health reasons but some border on the ridiculous. I am not given an option of opposing those either. Then you have those that have influential parents that go to the principal who changes your decision. I have been lucky with my administration as they have always backed me but early in my career I knew of some grades that were changed by the administration due to parental influence. (not to me) Between all of these and then those students who just want to test you it seems few families preach responsibility. I try and instill them in my students and their are consequences for making bad choices but you would be surprised by how many times students and parents will argue with me even they they agree with the facts. Example: Yes my son's paper was late. Yes, I know that your late policy is a deduction of 10% a day. Yes I realize it is 2 days late. But it should not matter since it will bring his grade down from an A to a B. (actual conversation a few years ago) It did not change my mind.

[kennard04]

P Daddy you have not been in a public school lately. First, federal law and IEP documents require that you provide accomodations for those students who have special needs. I have no problem with that at all but I had one student whose only qualification for special needs was that he was "unmotivated". It made a travesty of those students who really do have special needs and need special assstance. Second, you have 504 plans which are not part of special education per se but require special accomodations. Most are for perfectly understandable health reasons but some border on the ridiculous. I am not given an option of opposing those either. Then you have those that have influential parents that go to the principal who changes your decision. I have been lucky with my administration as they have always backed me but early in my career I knew of some grades that were changed by the administration due to parental influence. (not to me) Between all of these and then those students who just want to test you it seems few families preach responsibility. I try and instill them in my students and their are consequences for making bad choices but you would be surprised by how many times students and parents will argue with me even they they agree with the facts. Example: Yes my son's paper was late. Yes, I know that your late policy is a deduction of 10% a day. Yes I realize it is 2 days late. But it should not matter since it will bring his grade down from an A to a B. (actual conversation a few years ago) It did not change my mind.

having a child with special needs I can tell you the view is MUCH different trying to get schools to accomadate that child. And as for the 504 plan, I agree with you, it's a joke. But I bet you and I have different reasons for our opinions. I have a child who is motivated, who tries, and I still have a very low success rate in getting 90% of her teachers to do anything but complain; 'you have to remember I have 300 students a day'. If my 504 plan would have actually been written with some substance instead of a bland, meaningless, piece of junk I would have indeed done what all the counselors and teachers and educators were afraid of, I would have sued. But they're written with that fact well in mind. So I end up with a kid who struggles, teachers/educators/schools protecting their butts, and bad grades.

[basketballdad]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

[kennard04]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

[93soccerdad]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

I appreciate your circumstances, Kennard.  My oldest DD has had very severe acid reflux issues for nearly 18 months...even having to spend time at Doernbecher Children's Hospital to figure out her ilness.  Her illness and the affects of her meds took this once 4.0 student to a 1.0 student.  Her dreams of veterinary school are now a thing of the past...but like you, I will NEVER give up on her, even though most of her teachers have...and my wife and I will continue to help her build new dreams.  Hang in there.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Never give up.  It's painful, but it is a true labor of love.  I know your DD well...my DD (a former teammate) LOVES her so much...even though your DD is a great soccer player, she is an even better kid/person!!  You've done a GREAT job!!!

[kennard04]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

I appreciate your circumstances, Kennard.  My oldest DD has had very severe acid reflux issues for nearly 18 months...even having to spend time at Doernbecher Children's Hospital to figure out her ilness.  Her illness and the affects of her meds took this once 4.0 student to a 1.0 student.  Her dreams of veterinary school are now a thing of the past...but like you, I will NEVER give up on her, even though most of her teachers have...and my wife and I will continue to help her build new dreams.  Hang in there.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Never give up.  It's painful, but it is a true labor of love.  I know your DD well...my DD (a former teammate) LOVES her so much...even though your DD is a great soccer player, she is an even better kid/person!!  You've done a GREAT job!!!

thanks pal, it's a labor of love of course. But even Tarzan can't swim upstream forever. It does tend to wear one out.  :'(

[Spam in a can]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

I appreciate your circumstances, Kennard.  My oldest DD has had very severe acid reflux issues for nearly 18 months...even having to spend time at Doernbecher Children's Hospital to figure out her ilness.  Her illness and the affects of her meds took this once 4.0 student to a 1.0 student.  Her dreams of veterinary school are now a thing of the past...but like you, I will NEVER give up on her, even though most of her teachers have...and my wife and I will continue to help her build new dreams.  Hang in there.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Never give up.  It's painful, but it is a true labor of love.  I know your DD well...my DD (a former teammate) LOVES her so much...even though your DD is a great soccer player, she is an even better kid/person!!  You've done a GREAT job!!!

[Spam in a can]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

I appreciate your circumstances, Kennard.  My oldest DD has had very severe acid reflux issues for nearly 18 months...even having to spend time at Doernbecher Children's Hospital to figure out her ilness.  Her illness and the affects of her meds took this once 4.0 student to a 1.0 student.  Her dreams of veterinary school are now a thing of the past...but like you, I will NEVER give up on her, even though most of her teachers have...and my wife and I will continue to help her build new dreams.  Hang in there.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Never give up.  It's painful, but it is a true labor of love.  I know your DD well...my DD (a former teammate) LOVES her so much...even though your DD is a great soccer player, she is an even better kid/person!!  You've done a GREAT job!!!

Sorry about the blank post.  Don't be giving up on your DD.   High school grades arn't all that important.   I know a gal who went to  community collage then to WSU and got into the vet school without any problem.   Had to get the 4.0 GPA at cc but if your DD could do it in HS she can do it in CC.   VET students were the only students who studied harder then us engineers

[93soccerdad]

Kennard, you are right in one sense is that if you have teachers complaining about following a 504 then you have a bad teacher. Your child seems to have a legitimate issue. I cannot tell what it is but if a student is motivated and trying they can be successful in my class period. Both student and teacher have to try different ways of teaching and learning to be successful. Most teachers do. Some don't and they get stuck in a routine or don't want students who require more work. The downside of being effective with students who have special needs and challenges is that you gradually get more than your share because you are effective and don't complain. That breeds resentment when you ask why you seem to be getting an abundance of students with certain challenges and the response is that you work well with them. It is a compliment but the question arises when they tell you that other teachers don't want them or can't work with them. If you are a public school teacher you should be happy with any student that enters your class and work with them to be successful. If you want to pick your students teach in private schools.

my kid is ADD, clinically certified. Here's the frustrating part; her docs throw meds at her; 'here try this'. 3 months later we try something else, then something else. In the meantime she's up and down and all over the place trying to adjust to the meds while everyone is expecting a miracle cure. But there isn't one as I'm sure you know. We're now on a brand new med, and we start over with the whole process. It seems like there should be some kind of allowance for that. I wish she was in the school you taught at. She does have 1 teacher who is similar to your description, her DECA teacher. A little patience, a little understanding and she's a B student. She's smart, she just can't grasp some concepts long enough to put it all together. She's a great kid, and a great soccer player. I don't plan on ever giving up on her, but boy it gets tiring trying to keep her going at times.

I appreciate your circumstances, Kennard.  My oldest DD has had very severe acid reflux issues for nearly 18 months...even having to spend time at Doernbecher Children's Hospital to figure out her ilness.  Her illness and the affects of her meds took this once 4.0 student to a 1.0 student.  Her dreams of veterinary school are now a thing of the past...but like you, I will NEVER give up on her, even though most of her teachers have...and my wife and I will continue to help her build new dreams.  Hang in there.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Never give up.  It's painful, but it is a true labor of love.  I know your DD well...my DD (a former teammate) LOVES her so much...even though your DD is a great soccer player, she is an even better kid/person!!  You've done a GREAT job!!!

Sorry about the blank post.  Don't be giving up on your DD.   High school grades arn't all that important.   I know a gal who went to  community collage then to WSU and got into the vet school without any problem.   Had to get the 4.0 GPA at cc but if your DD could do it in HS she can do it in CC.   VET students were the only students who studied harder then us engineers

Thanks Spam...thank you for the anectdote...I will pass it on to my struggling DD.  That really inspired me...you made my day, my friend!!  God bless...

[Spam in a can]

IMHO it is easier to go through the standard path to become a vet.   i.e. HS, 3 years collage then vet school.

However when one gets knocked off the path one has options that aren’t advertised.   For example Running Start allows a student to skip high school and get an AA degree paid by the state.   HS councilors want you to believe that a HS diploma is important but it isn't if one has AA degree, high gpa and a good story.   My home schooled nephew is about to graduate from UW Tacoma with a computer engineering degree and he doesn’t have a HS diploma.

My 12 year old DD has acid reflux but I think we have it under control.

[93soccerdad]

IMHO it is easier to go through the standard path to become a vet.   i.e. HS, 3 years collage then vet school.

However when one gets knocked off the path one has options that aren’t advertised.   For example Running Start allows a student to skip high school and get an AA degree paid by the state.   HS councilors want you to believe that a HS diploma is important but it isn't if one has AA degree, high gpa and a good story.   My home schooled nephew is about to graduate from UW Tacoma with a computer engineering degree and he doesn’t have a HS diploma.

My 12 year old DD has acid reflux but I think we have it under control.

Thanks for the info...good luck with your 12 y.o. DD and her acid reflux.  Keep an eye on it...