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[swclark22]

SWClark,
What do you think of the onion?

Always makes me cry...no matter how you slice it!! 

[2muchsoccer]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

[twone]

twomuch,
How is your view of the onion?

[swclark22]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

FCSC and FC Vancouver merger?? Since when?

[swclark22]

Will the Couve' look like this next year?

Salmon Creek: Rec, Select, Premier
WSA: Rec and Select (Camas) Premier (FCV)
Timbers Rec and Select (VUSA) Premier (Timbers)
Chinook: Select
Tri Mountain: Select

west side is emerging with a few Select teams also.....
 

got a PM on the following....not trying to expose a raw nerve, but I'll pass it on



Is FCSC on it's way out?  whats happening with next years BU16's (tryouts are over, will there still be a team) and will there be a BU13 team?



next years GU15/BU15 (FCSC) will continue to be solid - if FCSC can hold them together.

hmmm,, I'll not say anything derogatory, but after 2 years at FCSC we did leave mid-season. And not because of the coaches or most of the parents.

With CPSC having a pretty dynamic guy like Sunny, and the new DOC over at VSA, FCSC will have to adapt and present themselves as a vibrant, growing, concerned club if they want to attract talent. It's higher up in the organization that the vision for the club needs a little tweaking.   

Do you mean a "new DOC over at WSA"?

[8daysAweek]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

FCSC and FC Vancouver merger?? Since when?

I second that one... Since when?

[8daysAweek]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

FCSC and FC Vancouver merger?? Since when?

you lost me here-
currently Salmon Creek only has BU16 - select (SCSS) and BU15 Premier (FCSC).... which are you referring to?

[swclark22]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

FCSC and FC Vancouver merger?? Since when?

you lost me here-
currently Salmon Creek only has BU16 - select (SCSS) and BU15 Premier (FCSC).... which are you referring to?

I know...me too!
2muchsoccer said, "FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum? 


Are those the same thought, or two different thoughts?

[tornado]

Okay, so this one is a rumor that I recently heard from a CP, and I have absolutely NO IDEA whether there is any truth to it or not...which is why I come to seek the truth from my WPS friends! Word is that there will be a new girls u12 (current u11) coach at Tri Mountain next season.  Rumor is that the new "coach" is a disgruntled CP that left another club with his DD mid season after causing a huge amount of problems for DD's coaches/team. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Like I said, this came from another CP and could possibly be completely false...just looking for some truth here!   

[Doghouse]

In regards to the postings about CPSC, FCV, and FCSC.

CPSC and FCV..  its my understanding that to be included in PDL they have to have to have at least one team (preferably 2 teams) every age bracket U-11and up.  Also, I believe Oregon plays 8 vs 8 at U-11 and Washington play 9 v 9, which causes problems for Couve teams at tryouts.  I heard both Clubs were in Hot Water with the PDL last year and had to force ALL teams to play in Washington this year.  FCV tried 2 years ago, but a few teams boycotted and threatened to leave the club if they couldnt go to Oregon.  Options were not given to any teams in either Club this year.

IN regards to FCSC.  since the other two clubs are PDL and they cant compete with that in Washington, the best option is to restructure their Club and be Vancouver's Premier choice to play close to home in Oregon.  At least for Ages U-11 to U-14.  That is the only way they will be able to attract the #'s at tryouts.  Face it: who would want to go from Rec soccer to taking their 10 year old to Seattle every other weekend.   That being said, they need to have options for their stronger teams at U-15 to either merge with FCV or CPSC to play PDL, and have their weaker teams play WSPL or D5. 

[Lothar]

Okay, so this one is a rumor that I recently heard from a CP, and I have absolutely NO IDEA whether there is any truth to it or not...which is why I come to seek the truth from my WPS friends! Word is that there will be a new girls u12 (current u11) coach at Tri Mountain next season.  Rumor is that the new "coach" is a disgruntled CP that left another club with his DD mid season after causing a huge amount of problems for DD's coaches/team. Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Like I said, this came from another CP and could possibly be completely false...just looking for some truth here!   

Their website shows GU12 coach for next year being Ben Dobbe.  Is that who you were thinking of?

[Lothar]

If anything the Timbers should at least look at the younger ages "B" teams to see if going to play in Oregon other than playing in the PDL league will be better. Traveling up North is harder, longer than traveling down South. PDL was too hard, expensive and long!
But because there were so many CP's grumbling over this issue, apparently they were considering this as an alternative -- so far RUMOR

BU16's (this season) FCSC about 8-9 players left for select as the team didn't have enough players at try outs -- TRUE, has fallen a part

BU16's (this season) Timbers Red was "saved" due to new coach -- TRUE

Chinook merging with FCSC -- FALSE (kennard just playing around)!

FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum?  

FCSC and FC Vancouver merger?? Since when?

you lost me here-
currently Salmon Creek only has BU16 - select (SCSS) and BU15 Premier (FCSC).... which are you referring to?

I know...me too!
2muchsoccer said, "FCSC has always had issues with numbers at try outs. Bummer on merger with FCV! Someone needs to re-evaluate this one! Oops, was I suppose to say that in the open forum? 


Are those the same thought, or two different thoughts?

There were talks about a month ago with WSA and FCSC on piloting a collabrotive program with a couple of their teams.  The talks were very positive and almost everyone involved wanted this to happen, but sadly for our town it fell apart.  I know I'm naive, but I am still hopeful that they will work together in the future.

[Lothar]

This thread has been fun to read, I'm really enjoying it... So far people have pointed out the commonly known changes occuring this year. Anyone want to step up and talk about the well kept secrets?  I'm really looking forward to the blah blah blah it will create on this board.

I'll share one that no one has brought up.

At our D5 agm a couple of weeks ago, we were given a proposal from the state proposing to disolve District 5 and create a satellite state office that administers our area.  Part of this proposal suggested that cysf be broken apart and new associations and clubs be formed.  One merged club proposed in the paper included VUSA, CPSC, West Side and Eisenhower - the other was Battle Ground, Lewis River, Salmon Creek and Prairie.  Next month's AGM, WYS president Doug Andreassen is expected to speak to us about this proposal, followed by our May meeting having one of the state consultants/lawyers coming down to discuss.  The idea is, if there is success, to do this throughout the state.  The proposal was pretty interesting, and definitely outside the box thinking.

[vusa92blue]

, I believe Oregon plays 8 vs 8 at U-11 and Washington play 9 v 9, which causes problems for Couve teams at tryouts. 

Max roster sizes got OYSA and WYS is 14.  So, this is not the problem that you present it as.  Real problem is Coaches who cannot see the forest through the trees, and believe that they need to be coaching a system for 9 and 10 year olds.

[tornado]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

[vusa92blue]

At our D5 agm a couple of weeks ago, we were given a proposal from the state proposing to disolve District 5 and create a satellite state office that administers our area.  Part of this proposal suggested that cysf be broken apart and new associations and clubs be formed.  One merged club proposed in the paper included VUSA, CPSC, West Side and Eisenhower - the other was Battle Ground, Lewis River, Salmon Creek and Prairie.  Next month's AGM, WYS president Doug Andreassen is expected to speak to us about this proposal, followed by our May meeting having one of the state consultants/lawyers coming down to discuss.  The idea is, if there is success, to do this throughout the state.  The proposal was pretty interesting, and definitely outside the box thinking.

Remember, proposed and draft.  Talking points, but yes, outside of the box thinking.

[93soccerdad]

At our D5 agm a couple of weeks ago, we were given a proposal from the state proposing to disolve District 5 and create a satellite state office that administers our area.  Part of this proposal suggested that cysf be broken apart and new associations and clubs be formed.  One merged club proposed in the paper included VUSA, CPSC, West Side and Eisenhower - the other was Battle Ground, Lewis River, Salmon Creek and Prairie.  Next month's AGM, WYS president Doug Andreassen is expected to speak to us about this proposal, followed by our May meeting having one of the state consultants/lawyers coming down to discuss.  The idea is, if there is success, to do this throughout the state.  The proposal was pretty interesting, and definitely outside the box thinking.

Remember, proposed and draft.  Talking points, but yes, outside of the box thinking.

VUSA/Lothar:  Could you elaborate on why this might be a good thing for us down here?  Also, where would WSA and FCV fit into this?

[2muchsoccer]

Clarify -- BU16's (this season) Premier, FCSC didn't have the #'s at their try outs, therefore forcing kids to go elsewhere. All I heard was 8-9 kids went to select. Did they go SCSC select, maybe? But no premier.

twone -- okay, I am lost..what onion? Am I suppose to be crying..are you being funny? It doesn't take much to confuse me ya know! 

[Black Knight]

Clarify -- BU16's (this season) Premier, FCSC didn't have the #'s at their try outs, therefore forcing kids to go elsewhere. All I heard was 8-9 kids went to select. Did they go SCSC select, maybe? But no premier.

twone -- okay, I am lost..what onion? Am I suppose to be crying..are you being funny? It doesn't take much to confuse me ya know! 

Take a look at my pic and you will understand

[tornado]

2much- I believe the "onion" that's being referred to is the one on Black Knights avatar...you'll understand when you see it! I think it's made quite a few posters cry around here!

[nilsatis]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

[Black Knight]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

Wow, and I thought my words were pretty bad. Not even I would throw out terms like that. A little bitter are we?

[tornado]

Wow is right! I wasn't even referring to any mergers. I just wanted to know about a specific coach possibly coaching at Tri Mountain. So since BD will be the A team coach, is it possible that the person I am hearing about will be the gu12 B team coach? That's all I'm asking??? You're getting a little too heavy for my taste there Nil!

[nilsatis]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

Wow, and I thought my words were pretty bad. Not even I would throw out terms like that. A little bitter are we?

"bitter"? What in the world do you think I might be bitter about?

[kennard04]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

call it rape, call it consensual, call it whatever you'd like. Bottom line is CPSC has full teams and full rosters at just about every age, I'm betting that with their new alliances they'll do the same with rec and select. Do the means justify the end ? Not in most instances of society. But we're talking about facilitating young kids playing soccer. So to that end CPSC has been remarkably successful, regardless of the knocks they take from some people. Are those knocks justified ? Depends on who's offering them up. I talk to an awful lot of parents at CPSC who are very happy they're with the club, and better yet, those who have come to the club from other places, that says alot to me.  

That being said I'm hoping to see WSA/Camas do the same in their area offering all three levels of soccer to kids within their neighborhoods and promote the game. There's alot of soccer players in east county, having someplace local to go to is always a plus for parents.

Salmon Creek has always been a rec club, until 4 or 5 years ago. FCSC has 2 select teams ? Their vision has been derailed lately. To get back on track, and I hope they do, they need to offer something besides a place to play. There has to be something to offer, showcases for the older players. Different styles of teaching and training. Some club pride, some club identity besides the 2 U-14 teams. It won't be easy, but it can be done. If they don't, they will slide into obscurity as they are doing now with lower and lower numbers at try-outs and fewer teams.

There is room in Vancouver for everyone. Transitions are rarely smooth. I'm hoping all 3 clubs can get their ducks in a row and offer good, clean, competitive soccer for as many kids as want to play.  

[vusa92blue]

Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

I am not even sure what that even means???  Strong and angry reference in that word...

[nilsatis]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

call it rape, call it consensual, call it whatever you'd like. Bottom line is CPSC has full teams and full rosters at just about every age, I'm betting that with their new alliances they'll do the same with rec and select. Do the means justify the end ? Not in most instances of society. But we're talking about facilitating young kids playing soccer. So to that end CPSC has been remarkably successful, regardless of the knocks they take from some people. Are those knocks justified ? Depends on who's offering them up. I talk to an awful lot of parents at CPSC who are very happy they're with the club, and better yet, those who have come to the club from other places, that says alot to me.  

That being said I'm hoping to see WSA/Camas do the same in their area offering all three levels of soccer to kids within their neighborhoods and promote the game. There's alot of soccer players in east county, having someplace local to go to is always a plus for parents.

Salmon Creek has always been a rec club, until 4 or 5 years ago. FCSC has 2 select teams ? Their vision has been derailed lately. To get back on track, and I hope they do, they need to offer something besides a place to play. There has to be something to offer, showcases for the older players. Different styles of teaching and training. Some club pride, some club identity besides the 2 U-14 teams. It won't be easy, but it can be done. If they don't, they will slide into obscurity as they are doing now with lower and lower numbers at try-outs and fewer teams.

There is room in Vancouver for everyone. Transitions are rarely smooth. I'm hoping all 3 clubs can get their ducks in a row and offer good, clean, competitive soccer for as many kids as want to play.  

K, Here, here. I obviously touched a raw nerve with my forthright approach. You summed everything up very well for me.

[vusa92blue]

Are those knocks justified ? Depends on who's offering them up.

Often times I wonder what the end game is for some of these folks who knock on others.?  Especially, those who have shown success.  I would guess that these are the same folks that refer to the players as their's...

[kennard04]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

call it rape, call it consensual, call it whatever you'd like. Bottom line is CPSC has full teams and full rosters at just about every age, I'm betting that with their new alliances they'll do the same with rec and select. Do the means justify the end ? Not in most instances of society. But we're talking about facilitating young kids playing soccer. So to that end CPSC has been remarkably successful, regardless of the knocks they take from some people. Are those knocks justified ? Depends on who's offering them up. I talk to an awful lot of parents at CPSC who are very happy they're with the club, and better yet, those who have come to the club from other places, that says alot to me.  

That being said I'm hoping to see WSA/Camas do the same in their area offering all three levels of soccer to kids within their neighborhoods and promote the game. There's alot of soccer players in east county, having someplace local to go to is always a plus for parents.

Salmon Creek has always been a rec club, until 4 or 5 years ago. FCSC has 2 select teams ? Their vision has been derailed lately. To get back on track, and I hope they do, they need to offer something besides a place to play. There has to be something to offer, showcases for the older players. Different styles of teaching and training. Some club pride, some club identity besides the 2 U-14 teams. It won't be easy, but it can be done. If they don't, they will slide into obscurity as they are doing now with lower and lower numbers at try-outs and fewer teams.

There is room in Vancouver for everyone. Transitions are rarely smooth. I'm hoping all 3 clubs can get their ducks in a row and offer good, clean, competitive soccer for as many kids as want to play.  

K, Here, here. I obviously touched a raw nerve with my forthright approach. You summed everything up very well for me.

I always look at a posters history. You're not normally someone who is offensive and I had an idea that you were using a strong word to mak a strong statement. I like people who come out and say what they mean, otherwise we just do a verbal dance around the real issue that really hasn't been spoken. Please continue to offer your opinions, it's so much easier to talk about real issues when we know what those issues are.

[8daysAweek]

Lothar- Regarding next seasons gu12 coach over at Tri Mountain- Ben Dobbe is not the person I heard was taking over the team. My guess is that one of three things happened with this situation...1)it's just a plain RUMOR. 2)the tri mountain website has not yet been updated with the new coaching info. 3)maybe the person I heard would be coaching will be an assistant coach and not the head coach. Maybe someone who is reading this and is in the know can enlighten us all???

Tornado, ok I have to put you out of your misery. Tri-Mountain will indeed be running with two GU12 sides. The A team will be the BD's side. This will be a very well coached side. The second team will be a development side. As for the other guess that TM would merge with VUSA that is not true and has never been discussed between the parties. Perhaps when CPSC has finished raping VUSA, FCSC and TM would be their only options for fresh blood but I think you would see FCSC and TM merge before you see any agreement that either would merge with CPSC.

have also heard that a 'new coach' landed at TM .... if it's who I hear it is, I know him and would expect this from the unsuspecting CP's