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Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« on: May 15, 2009, 11:58:27 PM »

As I have recently gotten interested in making investments in this area, I thought it might be interesting to set an on-going chat and discussion thread, where we can swap ideas and suggestions around.

Until last year, I had my investments in this area all wrapped up in a simple annuity run by Hartford.  Those crooks kept it going for three weeks after I told them to cash it out.  "Paperwork delays" and it cost me a bundle.  (A bundle by my terms, probably chump change by yours!   :laugh:)

So this time out, I am much more involved.  No more forking my money over and forgetting about it until retirement.
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 01:13:27 AM »

Pepsi ;)
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 03:37:09 AM »

FtB,  Pepsi is a good stock to own,IMHO.  It pays a decent dividend if I recall, it just bought back its two largest US botlers, and it has a good management team.   The stock will not go tank, it will pay dividends, and it looks like it will have long term steady growth in value and price.   It is the type of stock that I would be happy to stick away for five or six years without looking at it.  By that time, I am condident that the position would double.   Sixteen to twenty percent return on investment is a really good deal!!!
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 08:26:35 AM »

Now is the time to buy.  Everything is low and going back up.

Once the 'recession' is over and investors feel more safe they will dump money in the market and if you're in now you will make great returns.

I won't give specific stocks to purchase but I think Bonds/Mutual Funds are a good choice.  I have been looking at the International type funds as good potential along with Science/Tech stocks. 
Large Companies Growth Funds are up over 10% for the year also.

I'm thinking I need to go see my Financial Advisor again.  Make sure i'm still on the right track.  ;)
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2009, 10:35:31 AM »

How about a list
list your top ten stocks
that are LOW right now,
but you feel will be HIGH soon
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2009, 10:59:43 AM »

In no way am I going to go beyond the advice I already threw out on the post.

Talk to a Finincial Advisor and get their direction as to which stocks/bonds/mutual funds you should do.

Each person is different, each situation is different.  Risk should be highly considered when making your choices.  Something that is higher risk can make you a lot of money.......and can lose it ALL too.

A key word that should be used (not just in money but accepting people's differences) would be DIVERSIFY.
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2009, 11:12:06 AM »

Oh
Bunny was not asking for advice
already have a 'retirement plan'
in place that is golden
was just thinking to do a list
for fun
would never want some one to
invest their hard earned money
on any thing I told them :police:
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 11:42:01 PM »

Everyone should make their own decisions, after doing lots of reserach, and talking to their financial advisor.

That being said, here are some stocks that I invested in recently:

These are in my long term, account, that I set up and run without a broker.
Ford
GE
Kraft
Taiwain SemiConductor
Mosiac  (A big fertilizer company)
microsoft.
Eagle Bulk Shipping (ignore the amazing P/E ratio)

To this list, I intend to add
Rouche ADRs (These are Certificates of Ownership of the Swiss stock).   I like big Swiss Chemical and Pharmacuetical companies.   They have access to cheap loans whenever they want them from the Swiss Banks, the Companies are well run (but with little imagination).   The stocks are demarked in Swiss Francs, so you have the the security of the Swiss currency against Dollar Depreciation and against Inflation.   And unlike just owning currency, you own a solid company that does acquire other companies and does business all over the world.  And you can get dividents.
Merck.  - Another pharma that pays dividends.
BP
Exxon
Petrobras
Vale - The number two mining company in the world.
AT&T
New York Stock Exchange ( I owned a small bit of this in my speculative portfolio, made some bucks and sold.   But I want to get some shares in my long term portfolio)

On the short term stock price gain side of my investments I currently am holding -
Cardium Therapuetic (will sell before July 1) - New drug in the pipeline.
Insmed  (will sell before June 1) - New drug in the pipeline.
International Gaming Technologies - Slot machine maker, in line for some really big contracts.
Infosys - Indian Computer and tech services.
US Steel  (not a good play by my broker and I)
Tennet Healtch Care (talked into this one by a broker, bad play) - One of the biggest owners and operators of Hospitals.
FAS   (Boy, am I big on FAS right now.   If it tanks, I could be in trouble!) - This is an ETF that paralells the financial market, but at 3 times the velocity up AND down.
Sprint   (gonna sell before the new Iphone hits the market, though)
Yahoo   (Microsoft borrowed that money for something, and they have wanted Yahoo for years).

I bought into and later sold Palm among others.

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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 11:45:14 PM »

Could you add
the 'whys' to each stock you bought
please
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 12:04:06 AM »

As I have recently gotten interested in making investments in this area, I thought it might be interesting to set an on-going chat and discussion thread, where we can swap ideas and suggestions around.

Until last year, I had my investments in this area all wrapped up in a simple annuity run by Hartford.  Those crooks kept it going for three weeks after I told them to cash it out.  "Paperwork delays" and it cost me a bundle.  (A bundle by my terms, probably chump change by yours!   :laugh:)

So this time out, I am much more involved.  No more forking my money over and forgetting about it until retirement.



RB thinks that ---  for 90 % of the people  --- they should stick with stock indices.  Obtained either through low cost, no-load mutual funds, or ETFs.   Purchased by dollar cost averaging.  Purchased to an asset allocation model that is review 2 to 3 times a year.
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 12:17:10 AM »

FtB would now like that said
in
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2009, 10:49:07 AM »

FtB would now like that said
in
English :police:

;D ;D
that was good LBFF
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 03:24:47 PM »

Please be careful with your savings. This article below is not an isolated view within the financial system.  Many analysts that I've "heard myself" this week still are calling for the market lows to be tested again soon. The financial system is hoping Americans will believe what they are told and not look behind the curtain to what's really going on. 

Listen to your gut, not the folks who make their living getting you to invest your money in risky investments in these very dangerous times, including all these TV experts that didn't see any of this coming. When things turn around, you'll know it.  They're not turning around with higher unemployment, lower retail sales, continued losses in the housing market, and major credit crises still "on the horizon" in commercial real estate and credit card debt.

Be patient.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/248398/%22The-Worst-Is-Yet-to-Come%22-If-You|re-Not-Petrified-You|re-Not-Paying-Attention
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 04:04:28 PM »

Please be careful with your savings. This article below is not an isolated view within the financial system.  Many analysts that I've "heard myself" this week still are calling for the market lows to be tested again soon. The financial system is hoping Americans will believe what they are told and not look behind the curtain to what's really going on. 

Listen to your gut, not the folks who make their living getting you to invest your money in risky investments in these very dangerous times, including all these TV experts that didn't see any of this coming. When things turn around, you'll know it.  They're not turning around with higher unemployment, lower retail sales, continued losses in the housing market, and major credit crises still "on the horizon" in commercial real estate and credit card debt.

Be patient.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/248398/%22The-Worst-Is-Yet-to-Come%22-If-You|re-Not-Petrified-You|re-Not-Paying-Attention


Agree with these thoughts.  Not clear that a large weighting of equities is appropriate for everyone...  while cash earns pretty much nothing at this point in time, it is not subject to the short term fluctuations like stock. However, for long-term (say, 10+ year) money, I think it makes sense to have some equities.

I also think it makes sense to get one's investment ideas from someplace other than a soccer forum !
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 09:36:37 PM »

>>>I also think it makes sense to get one's investment ideas from someplace other than a soccer forum !<<<<

Absolutely.   Think of this as more fun than serious investment advice.

FYI - Last week wiped out all the gains that I had made in the previous month!
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 09:59:27 PM »

Frank the Bunny asked for further thoughts on these stocks.  So I going to expand my original post to accomodate him.

Everyone should make their own decisions, after doing lots of reserach, and talking to their financial advisor.

That being said, here are some stocks that I invested in recently:

These are in my long term, account, that I set up and run without a broker.
Ford - I bought, sold (advice from my broker, it was then in my "speculative account") and now have bought again in my long term, personally managed,  hold/investment account.  Ford is the only American auto company that has a chance of staying out bankruptcy.   Chrysler is dead, Government Motors is a dead man walking.   Ford will either be bankrupt or at $40 a share in 5 years.   At a 50-50 chance, I wish I could put all money into ten such opportunities.   Note - this is not going to be a divident stock for years.
GE -  Perhaps the largest company in the world, not in any real financial trouble, well diversified, but also a major player in energy machinery and a leader in alternative energy.  Great relationship with creditors, so can tap more funds or refis more easily than most companies.
Kraft  - A quality, well run food company.  As people eat out less, they will be buying more Kraft products.  Soilid cash flow.
Taiwain SemiConductor - One of the world leaders in microchip production, solid R&D, great quality control, will benefit from the raproachment between China and Taiwan economically.  Pays a divident. 
Mosiac  (A big fertilizer company) - Has gone from 44 to 51 in the last week or ten days.  Was oversold badly in the stock collapse.   Makes money, great cash flow now that farmers know that people and companies will be able to afford to buy their crops.    Also pays a divident.
microsoft. - has more cash on hand than any other company on Earth.  Unchallenged core product line.   If it focused on paying dividends, the stock price would triple in weeks.  Right now, the stock price is about $20 per share and it has around $10 per share in cash, not counting what it just raised from its first ever debt offering.
Eagle Bulk Shipping (ignore the amazing P/E ratio)-  One of the best run companies in the shipping industry, ridiculously cheap, has a great P/E ration (4.5?) but that should change.  Pays a dividend, but I expect that to be cut.  Should be one of the early beneficiaries as trade and manufacturing picks up.  (Recent analysis show corporate inventories are so low that everyone expects orders to pick up very fast.)

To this list, I intend to add
Rouche ADRs (These are Certificates of Ownership of the Swiss stock).   I like big Swiss Chemical and Pharmacuetical companies.   They have access to cheap loans whenever they want them from the Swiss Banks, the Companies are well run (but with little imagination).   The stocks are demarked in Swiss Francs, so you have the the security of the Swiss currency against Dollar Depreciation and against Inflation.   And unlike just owning currency, you own a solid company that does acquire other companies and does business all over the world.  And you can get dividents.
Merck.  - Another pharma that pays dividends.   Their recent $30 Billion plus aquisition is hurting their stock price, but since it is a Euro company, that adds protection against a dollar depreciation.
BP - solid reserves, global presense, consistent but small dividend,
Exxon - largest energy company in the world.  Solid earnings, good cash on hand.  solid reserves but continues to look for more.
Petrobras - The Brasilian Gasoline, Oil and Energy company has some big new finds in and off the coast of Brasil.  Involved in projects in Africa and Central Asia.   Well run, is making money while expanding.  Will be one of the 5 biggest oil and gas companies in the world within a decade, according to analysists.    Priced in the Brasilain currency, the Real, which has been strong lately.
Vale - The number two mining company in the world.   Big new deals with China.   Another Brasilian based company.   Wide variety of metals produced, including precious metals.
AT&T - Not staid old Ma Bell anymore.  This seems to be the company that will end up dominating the Telecom field.
New York Stock Exchange ( I owned a small bit of this in my speculative portfolio, made some bucks and sold.   But I want to get some shares in my long term portfolio).   Solid preformance.  And whether stocks go up or stocks go down, they will be sold on the NYSE.

On the short term stock price gain side of my investments I currently am holding -
Cardium Therapuetic (will sell before July 1) - New drug in the pipeline.
Insmed  (will sell before June 1) - New drug in the pipeline.
International Gaming Technologies - Slot machine maker, in line for some really big contracts.
Infosys - Indian Computer and tech services.   Was supposed to make a big run.  Instead went into a big stall.  Still hoping.
US Steel  (not a good play by my broker and I).
Tennet Healtch Care (talked into this one by a broker, bad play) - One of the biggest owners and operators of Hospitals.
FAS   (Boy, am I big on FAS right now.   If it tanks, I could be in trouble!) - This is an ETF that paralells the financial market, but at 3 times the velocity up AND down.
Sprint   (gonna sell before the new Iphone hits the market, though).   Bought on surmise that the new Palm phones like the Pre, and its 4G network, would move the price up.
Yahoo   (Microsoft borrowed that money for something, and they have wanted Yahoo for years).

I bought into and later sold Palm among others.

Well FTB, I hope this is what you wanted.


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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2009, 10:16:39 AM »

FAS is up 11% this morning.

Insmed is up more than 8%

Ford is flat, but GE is up about 4%, coming back from the sell off of last week.

International Gaming is  doing well.

The week is starting well, I wake up and my overall portfolio is up by about 6%.   If it does this for the rest of the month, I am retiring.............
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2009, 10:29:03 AM »

Tenet Health Care is still a dog.   My broker bought it for me at its recent peak, it is down 6% today and 16% overall since purchase. 

Remember, brokers make mistakes too!!!!   Like the joker who sold all my NIFY instead of protecting profits and selling half the position.   It is up almost 3 points today..........  ARGHHH!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2009, 12:12:22 PM »

Wow, today things are really roaring.

I am thinking about adding Disney (long term value and growth, stock price very low right now), Walmart (Biggest retailer in the world, will sell more higher end stuff as the recession eases) and Bristol Myers (most recommended pharmacuetical/health care product company) to my portfolio of long term investments.

I love days like today!   (Still does not make up for last week though)

And Tennet is still a dog.  An ugly one at that.   I am always going to hold that stock pick over my brokers head!
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2009, 01:06:04 PM »

OK, here is the latest.   (Obviously, I am not getting much work done today.)

I sold my Insmed (bought at $1 a month ago, sold at $1.47 today)
I sold my Cardium Therapuetic (Up 20% since purcahse)
I sold the Tennet Health Care (broker expects it to hit $3 a share before the end of the year, I lost 16% on it)
I bought some FAS on Friday, right before the close.   It is up more than a point today, and I am selling it and taking the profits.
I am still keeping some FAS that I bought earlier last week.

Why am I selling these things now?   to fund other stock purchases.   
I am looking at getting into some commodities ETFs.    Any suggestions out there?    And no, I do not want to get into oil or natural gas.  Oil is too volatile, and natural gas was slipping due to too much supply until the recent run up for the high summer consumption.   I do not think that it will go much higher.

A good day   :drinks:
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2009, 02:16:57 PM »

Geesh EW -- I am just looking to find some extra cash to replace the lawnmower that my son uses most of the time (to mow the 4 neighbors lawn).  It threw a rod after only 4 years of use and we need to replace.  Dad spent some good dollars on that one to keep him in business and now we get to replace it...Argghhh.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2009, 08:56:45 PM »

Geesh EW -- I am just looking to find some extra cash to replace the lawnmower that my son uses most of the time (to mow the 4 neighbors lawn).  It threw a rod after only 4 years of use and we need to replace.  Dad spent some good dollars on that one to keep him in business and now we get to replace it...Argghhh.

Sell son's kidney????


Seriously, I have 3 lawnmowers for my my tenants to use.   I buy one a year, and service them each spring.   The first thing I do is spray paint it pink and bang some dents in and remove the catcher bag.  Otherwise they would be stolen inside a week. 

A few years ago I was so broke that I would borrow my mother in laws mower, could not even afford a $50 yard sale one.  So I know how you feel.


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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2009, 10:30:13 PM »

How much for the kidney?  :P
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2009, 11:19:56 PM »

Got to be a gold plated kidney to pay for the mower.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2009, 11:42:27 PM »

Got to be a gold plated kidney to pay for the mower.

That must  be SOME mower !
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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2009, 12:10:56 AM »

My son mows 4 lawns in the neighborhood and then ours....6 HP Ariens...Next best thing to a commercial unit.
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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2009, 01:37:34 PM »

There is good news and there is bad news.

I was way up on my FAS  ( a finnancial 3X bull) this morning, heck the entire portfolio was the best it ahd ever been.   Then Timothy Geitner spoke, and in one hour he caused my portfolio to go from 6.5% up on the day to only 0.5% up.    The next time he is scheduled to speak, I am going to sell everything and then short the entire financial sector!!!

The good news?   I got a call from a broker specialising in Solar Power companies yesterday, he talked me into buying some shaes in JA Solar.   Its a Chicom company that manufactures solar panels.    Today their stock went up more than 22%.   Gotta like that.

Even if Tax Cheat Geitner should be permanently gagged.........
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2009, 06:46:52 PM »

How about this?  I bought Tennet Health Care at 2.57,  kept it for a while.  Broker was saying "It will go over $3 bucks a share, it will go higher."   Finally, he wanted me into FAS, so I sold the THC at just over 2, swallowing the losses.   On Monday it jumped back to what I bought it for!   And today it went over $3 a share.

Damn, I gotta get this timing thing down...........
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2009, 03:16:16 PM »

Good rally on the market today.   Dow up 2%, my portfolio up 5%.   

My brokers are beating my ScottTrade account picks hands down.  They are doing so well that I do not begrudge them their hefty commissions. 
FAS was up 10% today, and I was heavy into that.   Rama Bama was right, ETFs are a good way to play the market if you have any sense that it is going up or down.

There is a lot of interest in Brazilian stocks right now.  The currency is strong (doing better than the dollar, there's a shock).   Companies like Petrobras and Vale look really good as long term investments, and the Brasilian ETFs have been doing very well.

I bought another small block of shares in Ford today.   It is not burning up the market right now, but I expect them to be able to get similar concessions from the unions as per Chrysler and GM.   And they are the last one standing. 

GE is steadily reclaiming recently lost ground.  I'd like them better if they spun off NBC.  And closed down MSNBC.......

Still not sure why Taiwan SemiConductor is not doing better?   Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Stocks, Bonds and Investing.
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2009, 02:02:35 AM »

Consenus is approaching unaninimity that thedollar is going to crash, inflation will jump to worse than than the Carter Era, and that this will be wide spread and long lasting. 

Where to put assets?   What to do is the current question?

Gold Bugs are forgetting that South Africa and Russia, neither with the most stable economies or governments, can flood the gold market and crash it at any time.    I am leaning towards foreign companies that are listed in hard currencies.   An example would be Swiss pharmacueticals, which are listed in Geneva and Basel in Swiss Francs.   You get the twin advantages of a solid stocks and the hard currency Swiss Franc. 
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