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[HandBall]

On April 6, while overseas in Turkey giving a speech fed to him by teleprompter, President Barack Hussein Obama made the following shocking declaration to the Muslim world on behalf of all Americans:

"Although, as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation."

But like so much that comes out of the mouth of our president, his scripted words fall well short of aligning with truth and reality for the American people.  While his words appear sufficient to erase centuries of belief and truth to some, and while they are so easily refuted by the actions that he has taken already as president, thankfully all Americans are not brain-dead sponges for his lies.

When President Obama is speaking for America, he should speak the truth about America, and not present his own beliefs or those of a small minority of Americans as the majority view. Contrary to his apparent beliefs, he is not anything more than a man elected to represent America and lead our nation.  That does not entitle him to characterize his personal beliefs of Marxism, infanticide, and now religious belief above vast majority the 300+ million Americans that believe otherwise.

Here is a speech in the House by a representative of the American people who backs up history's view of Judeo-Christian belief with more than just false words displayed on a teleprompter.

[yote19]

I wish this was my senator.

[juggles]

OMG...THIS GUY IS A LUNATIC....probably couldn't define marxism in his own words...let's see how many other weirdos are on this site who support this kimd of NONSENSE...this guy is trying to hijack a youth soccer forum and turn it into a political forum...how SAD and PATHETIC

[HandBall]

OMG...THIS GUY IS A LUNATIC....probably couldn't define marxism in his own words...let's see how many other weirdos are on this site who support this kimd of NONSENSE...this guy is trying to hijack a youth soccer forum and turn it into a political forum...how SAD and PATHETIC

Typical liberal condescension and name-calling.

BTW-  Dragon started this thread to promote his spread of MoveOn.org materials.

[Tesoro]

Question      -----   Why do we see the middle name of this particular president?     When mentioning / identifying / discussing presidents, do you consistently include middle names?

Perhaps this a service to the reader?   Because there have been SO many presidents with the name Barack Obama  (or something similar), you want to avoid any possible confusion about which president you're mentioning !   Assuming that's the case, perhaps you should include the middle names of all presidents, especially those with the same first and last names.   

That would be so helpful.

[HandBall]

Question      -----   Why do we see the middle name of this particular president?     When mentioning / identifying / discussing presidents, do you consistently include middle names?

Perhaps this a service to the reader?   Because there have been SO many presidents with the name Barack Obama  (or something similar), you want to avoid any possible confusion about which president you're mentioning !   Assuming that's the case, perhaps you should include the middle names of all presidents, especially those with the same first and last names.   

That would be so helpful.

Honestly, I can't keep track of whether the president wants his middle name used or not. He seemed to object during the campaign, but then in his travels in the Middle East he seemed to prefer it and I am uncertain whether it's a "middle name only in Muslim countries, but not here" sort of thing or not.  If you have the latest memo from the DNC that addresses the official orders on the subject, I can go either way.

I will say that I find objections to the use of his middle name rather inane, given that liberal presidents have very often had their middle names highlighted by the liberal establishment out of some sort of special respect, such as Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, William Jefferson Clinton, and now Barack Hussein Obama. I don't recall any confusion addressing them without their middle names either. Is it that I oppose the president and that somehow forbids me to call him by his full name? Or is it that the president's Muslim heritage, that extended through his early years attending Muslim schools, is somehow not appropriate for daily reminder? I could refer to him as Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama Jr., but that is a real mouthful.

[krumpet]

 presidents with the name...... Barack Mavrick Obama now that has kinda southern ring to it

[thenry14]

On April 6, while overseas in Turkey giving a speech fed to him by teleprompter, President Barack Hussein Obama made the following shocking declaration to the Muslim world on behalf of all Americans:

"Although, as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation."

But like so much that comes out of the mouth of our president, his scripted words fall well short of aligning with truth and reality for the American people.  While his words appear sufficient to erase centuries of belief and truth to some, and while they are so easily refuted by the actions that he has taken already as president, thankfully all Americans are not brain-dead sponges for his lies.

When President Obama is speaking for America, he should speak the truth about America, and not present his own beliefs or those of a small minority of Americans as the majority view. Contrary to his apparent beliefs, he is not anything more than a man elected to represent America and lead our nation.  That does not entitle him to characterize his personal beliefs of Marxism, infanticide, and now religious belief above vast majority the 300+ million Americans that believe otherwise.

Here is a speech in the House by a representative of the American people who backs up history's view of Judeo-Christian belief with more than just false words displayed on a teleprompter.

You Deciede to use his middle name because he was in Turkey adressing the MUSLIM world. Hussein obviously links the president to his Muslim heritage, your putting it in to give a sense that the president is trying to depart from christianity towards islam,its copmpletely BS, as we know the president has defended his christian upbringing and he shouldnt have to. even if he practiced islam why should we care in our country we are free to practice or not practice any religion we want, the president cant change that, no one can, not without abolishing our constitution. Anyways on to what the president said. What he said in his speech I agree with, we are a nation founded on puritanical christian values however we are also a nation of freedom, where people are able to practice or not practice any religion they please. alot of laws concerning morality are made in this country with religous values in the back of our minds. Not every  person our government represents holds the same moral values as they do and to enact laws based on something that doesnt play a part in everybodies lives is wrong. The President is right, we arent a christian country or a jewish country, we are a melting pot of peoples from many different cultures, backgrounds, and beliefs. We call ourselves the home of the free but we marginalize anything that doesnt have mass apeal to the majority. We are the home of the free (but dont get crazy with it).

[juggles]

Typical liberal condescension and name-calling.

  Actually I am far to the left of any liberal

[RamaBama]

Question      -----   Why do we see the middle name of this particular president?     When mentioning / identifying / discussing presidents, do you consistently include middle names?

Perhaps this a service to the reader?   Because there have been SO many presidents with the name Barack Obama  (or something similar), you want to avoid any possible confusion about which president you're mentioning !   Assuming that's the case, perhaps you should include the middle names of all presidents, especially those with the same first and last names.   

That would be so helpful.

I'd not bother with such silly people posting.  There's a reason Dragon left this section of the Forum....

[Tesoro]

Question      -----   Why do we see the middle name of this particular president?     When mentioning / identifying / discussing presidents, do you consistently include middle names?

Perhaps this a service to the reader?   Because there have been SO many presidents with the name Barack Obama  (or something similar), you want to avoid any possible confusion about which president you're mentioning !   Assuming that's the case, perhaps you should include the middle names of all presidents, especially those with the same first and last names.   

That would be so helpful.

I'd not bother with such silly people posting.  There's a reason Dragon left this section of the Forum....

Good point.  Life might be too short for this!   Still, I used to like to read when Dragon and these guys went back & forth.   However, was never clear to me that anybody had an open mind, or even an open ear.       Much of it is simply each side finding some crap that supports THEIR point of view  ...  cutting & pasting, or linking.   In some cases I actually followed up and read the various sources and found them to be less than credible.

 

[HandBall]

I'd not bother with such silly people posting.  There's a reason Dragon left this section of the Forum....

Actually, it was my impression that Dragon left after it was pointed out that the MoveOn.org lies he was spreading here were from the same wildly leftist organization that had smeared respected patriot General David Patraeus for doing his duty in attempting to win the war in Iraq. Maybe I'm wrong.

But thank you for your characterization of views and people you disagree with as "silly" - another typical liberal tactic from Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals - to ridicule your opponents into silence. That is the primary reason I choose not to go away.

As for Tesoro's comments about cutting & pasting? While I have done my share of it, no one who's read my posts here can argue that the overwhelming majority of my comments have not been written by me.  As for this forum, it is just a forum like so many others. The only reason I still comment in this thread is because of the people who read my posts and thank me for them. I'm fully aware that many minds are made up and there is nothing that can be said that will change them, just as my viewpoint from years ago are reinforced to me in the myriad of sources I follow throughout the old and new media.  But as Obama drops in Rasmussen polling today to 47% approve and 52% disapprove, I have hope that change to the radical leftists' plans for America are coming. And as the old media attacks average citizens for speaking out while leftists groups advertise for paid protesters in places like Craigslist, I have more confidence every day that while Obama supporters held the majority just 9 months ago, the truth is changing the hearts and minds of America a little each day.  And if this totally corrupt transition to Chicago politics and leftist collectivism and centralized government can be fought back just a little while longer, those who cling onto Obama's empty words of hope and change, who seem capable of only resorting to name-calling and ridicule in the absence of real argument, will very soon be the ones in the minority.

That is my hope for change today.

[T.N.T.]

OMG...THIS GUY IS A LUNATIC....probably couldn't define marxism in his own words...let's see how many other weirdos are on this site who support this kimd of NONSENSE...this guy is trying to hijack a youth soccer forum and turn it into a political forum...how SAD and PATHETIC

Count me in
BTW, this forum is titled "WORLD NEWS-EVENTS-POLITICS"
Does this answer your question about a political forum 
To use your wording LUNATIC or is the direct translation OBAMA 

[On Alki]

I'd not bother with such silly people posting.  There's a reason Dragon left this section of the Forum....

Actually, it was my impression that Dragon left after it was pointed out that the MoveOn.org lies he was spreading here were from the same wildly leftist organization that had smeared respected patriot General David Patraeus for doing his duty in attempting to win the war in Iraq. Maybe I'm wrong.

But thank you for your characterization of views and people you disagree with as "silly" - another typical liberal tactic from Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals - to ridicule your opponents into silence. That is the primary reason I choose not to go away.

As for Tesoro's comments about cutting & pasting? While I have done my share of it, no one who's read my posts here can argue that the overwhelming majority of my comments have not been written by me.  As for this forum, it is just a forum like so many others. The only reason I still comment in this thread is because of the people who read my posts and thank me for them. I'm fully aware that many minds are made up and there is nothing that can be said that will change them, just as my viewpoint from years ago are reinforced to me in the myriad of sources I follow throughout the old and new media.  But as Obama drops in Rasmussen polling today to 47% approve and 52% disapprove, I have hope that change to the radical leftists' plans for America are coming. And as the old media attacks average citizens for speaking out while leftists groups advertise for paid protesters in places like Craigslist, I have more confidence every day that while Obama supporters held the majority just 9 months ago, the truth is changing the hearts and minds of America a little each day.  And if this totally corrupt transition to Chicago politics and leftist collectivism and centralized government can be fought back just a little while longer, those who cling onto Obama's empty words of hope and change, who seem capable of only resorting to name-calling and ridicule in the absence of real argument, will very soon be the ones in the minority.

That is my hope for change today.

Handball keep it coming.  Real change does take time and I, for one enjoy reading your posts and your answers to some tough questions.  You seem to be well read and have the ammunition to back up any attack with facts and I really appreciate it.  Thank you again and please continue.