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While this administration races to destroy our free market capitalist system, it's time to go back 60 years to find some of the common sense and wisdom that a majority of Americans have seemed to have lost. 

It's sort of a silly question, but have people really been dumbed down so much that the basic principles of freedom, contracts and private property have been forgotten?  As energy self-reliance is fought against, false crises like Global Warming are exploited to increase taxes, and government takeovers of industry, banks and health care are being pushed through with little or no consideration of the consequences, will Americans wake up in time to save the nation created by our founders?

60 years ago America was facing the same threats. Those threats were defeated creating the most productive and highest quality of life in the world.  Now those threats are back and being pushed again by progressives with the backing of the mainstream media. The parallels between the cartoon below and what is happening today are prophetic.

http://tinyurl.com/lnznf6
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 04:32:36 PM »

Okay,  in all seriousness,  not just posturing to make a point on a web forum, you see no threats from climate changes and truly view this as a "false crisis"?
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 08:51:35 PM »

Okay,  in all seriousness,  not just posturing to make a point on a web forum, you see no threats from climate changes and truly view this as a "false crisis"?

That is correct.  Us humans do not have the power we think we do to cause climate change. 
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 12:38:42 AM »

Kind of like all of that snow we had in Seattle this past winter?  Snow dance baby!!!
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 01:17:46 PM »

Okay,  in all seriousness,  not just posturing to make a point on a web forum, you see no threats from climate changes and truly view this as a "false crisis"?

I absolutely positively believe the crisis of man-made warming to be fake.  The sun functions in cycles.  Cycles within cycles, actually. "If" measured temperatures data can be trusted, and many believe it can't given the inconsistency of equipment placement, technology, and the relatively small changes this equipment is measuring, scientists know from core data that temperatures have fluctuated on Earth in far greater differentials for millions of years. CO2 is a lesser greenhouse gas that has a "total potential" impact just barely on the positive side of zero. Less than 1 degree Celsius potential.

So we are now in a cooling period since peaking in the last cycle in 1998.  Why?  Do you think it could be the sun?
http://www.solen.info/solar/

One of the smaller cycles the sun operates under is an 11-year cycle of increased and decreased sunspot activity. Cycle 23 ended in early 2002, and so did the alleged increasing temperatures. Note that NASA corrected an error in their analysis that resulted in changes to reported temperatures that made 1998 only the 2nd warmest year, behind 1934 which was long-before decades of massive CO2 production worldwide.
http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0817-nasa_snafu.html

Cycle 24 hasn't begun yet, with sunspot activity near zero since 2002.  And during the last 7 years we've seen average global temperatures drop to 100-year lows, ice caps growing, weather moderating, and places like Arizona seeing the mildest June weather in nearly 100 years. Not to mention record cold and snow here in the northwest early this year.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/06/19/20090619junelovely0619.html

Granted, I was skeptical from the start when Al Gore became the champion of the crisis. I believed him a liar long before his investments in Green companies was outed, and long before it was reported that his carbon footprint was nearly record levels.  When that UK court ruled his movie full of falsehoods that was encouraging, but the media has been masterful in maintaining the lie and continuing to promote the lies while suppressing the realities.

But what convinced me that not a word Gore said could be trusted was the analysis of his ice core conclusions that were intentionally distorted, and PORTRAYED IN HIS MOVIE TO DECEIVE VIEWERS, to portray CO2 driving temperature, when temperature has driven CO2 levels for millions of years.

So to answer your question again, I think man-made Global Warming is a political facade, lie, and con invented by politicians and environmentalists to extort trillions of dollars from the American people, as well as give centralized government more control over us and the ability to "manage" third world nations and their progress.  When the lie of the Ozone Hole crisis was exposed, and when the former head of Greenpeace declared the Amazon rainforests safe, the left moved onto to a crisis that didn't require any evidence to defend and promote.  With government throwing billions in research to scientists who would support their conclusions with assumptions and bogus computer models, the media then reported the argument as settled science. 

It is not settled!

Obama's Cap and Trade proposals are estimated to cost business $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years, which translates into $500 a year for every person in America in new costs sent to the government. Cap and Trade is government selling the right to produce CO2. We will end up paying for it.

In my humble opinion, man-made Global Warming, or "Climate Change" is the largest hoax perpetrated on mankind.

A fantastic website to read the differing views of Climate Change is, http://climatedebatedaily.com/. As you read the articles, note the reliance the pro-Climate Change views place on emotion, belief and attacks on the critics, versus the reliance on evidence and analysis in the dissenting voices.
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 10:33:58 PM »

Handball you mean my recruiting of all those snow dancers, including Breakaway who did snowdances with nothing on....as she doesn't wear nighties....had nothing to do with it??? :o
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Re: The WWII generation understood the dangers we're facing today
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 08:46:04 AM »

If global temperature data sucks, then how certain are scientists that there is a problem?  Of course, if you're a scientist working on a government grant to prove man is destroying the planet, something as fundamental as the basis for the crisis may not seem important. On the other hand, if you're the taxpayers on the hook for Billions, soon to be Trillions to fix a problem that doesn't exist, that is a different story.

Perhaps we should focus on building consistent measurements before we let politicians and environmentalists suck us dry?

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAAMAY.pdf
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