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This poll targets Obama voters again please.  How is your candidate doing now as president after 6 full months as president?

This isn't the change I voted for
- 4 (44.4%)
I'm not paying attention now that he's elected
- 0 (0%)
I'm a little confused at what he said versus what he's doing
- 0 (0%)
This isn't the change I voted for
- 1 (11.1%)
OMG!
- 4 (44.4%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: August 10, 2009, 02:53:16 PM


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6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« on: July 20, 2009, 02:53:16 PM »

2 1/2 months ago a poll here showed some discontent with our new leader among those who voted for him. How are things working out for those who thought the agent of change would solve unemployment, restore the auto industry to health, fix the credit industry, etc.?
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 12:45:33 PM »

If you're truly looking to measure things through a poll, then the poll options need to be balanced   ....    not have most of the options be negative, except for one absolute option that says "I love it"...

If you're looking to make a rhetorical point or use the poll to snipe at the current president, then your poll is on target.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 11:52:59 AM »

If you're truly looking to measure things through a poll, then the poll options need to be balanced   ....    not have most of the options be negative, except for one absolute option that says "I love it"...

If you're looking to make a rhetorical point or use the poll to snipe at the current president, then your poll is on target.

Thanks for the feedback. You have the option to do your own poll, or you can provide me with the options that would make my poll more "balanced" and I'll consider them. I simply used the options in my poll from 2 1/2 months ago, but will add more if they will help describe the current feelings of the Obama voter.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 09:29:12 AM »

Obama is doing what he CAN do to try and solve a HUGE mess
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 10:11:23 AM »

I feel no different today then I did this far into W's term, then I did this far into Clinton's term, then I did this far into Bush's term........
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 12:06:14 PM »

Obama is doing what he CAN do to try and solve a HUGE mess
Typical liberal loyalty? Ignorance.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 10:49:35 PM »

Feel just like I felt when Clinton tried to reform health care, when Bush tried to solve Social Security's insolvency problem, and now when Obama is trying to reform health care, at least they tried. With Medicare, Social Security, health care, and a host of very real and serious problems continuing to get worse those that want nothing only condemn the next generations to poverty and suffering. I gave Bush credit for trying to do some minor things for Social Security and he got slammed for it. I do not agree with President Obama's plan for health care but I give him more credit for taking on the big one than pretending we don't have a problem.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 10:56:54 PM »

b.o.,
   will be happy,
      when we're all drinking russian vodka,
         to forget.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 12:09:16 AM »

I'm gonna report all you Obama distractors..... flag@whitehouse.gov   ;D
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 06:46:33 PM »

Feel just like I felt when Clinton tried to reform health care, when Bush tried to solve Social Security's insolvency problem, and now when Obama is trying to reform health care, at least they tried. With Medicare, Social Security, health care, and a host of very real and serious problems continuing to get worse those that want nothing only condemn the next generations to poverty and suffering. I gave Bush credit for trying to do some minor things for Social Security and he got slammed for it. I do not agree with President Obama's plan for health care but I give him more credit for taking on the big one than pretending we don't have a problem.

Here's the problem. Both the Clinton's and Obama want the government to take over health care. Obama wants a single payer government system and is now denying it only because he knows an overwhelming majority of Americans oppose it. But he's on video saying it, and saying it with clarity and specificity that it may take 10-20 years to get it.

Bush, on the other hand, recognized like those of us who understand Social Security, that it's a Ponzi scheme. And worse, the government has been siphoning off every penny of surplus and has spent every cent.  That's $2.3 trillion that was supposed to give us some time to fix the mess.  Now, even Democrat Senator Max Baucus has admitted that the system could be insolvent in 2 years. Medicare takes in less than it spends today.

Health Care "reform" is not reform until government waste in the Medicare and Medicaid bureaucracies are addressed, coverage of illegal and uninsured in emergency rooms is reformed, and until malpractice tort reform is tackled that is shifting hundreds of billions annually to lawyers and their clients. This "reform" the Dems want today is not reform, but nothing more than a government takeover, with promises that government will make decisions of life and death based on analysis performed by leftists like Zeke Emanuel and John Holdren. Yes, while crass, Sarah Palin is absolutely correct that this plan would create government panels what would effectively decide on who lives and who dies.

"I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care system". From his own mouth before a friendly union audience. Was he lying then, or is he lying now? Single payer is defined as a system where one payer, the government, is all there is. There isn't any private system allowed. No competition. No levels of coverage based on ability to pay. Just a one size fits all system that demands that everyone share the same misery, whether they've worked their butts off their whole life to pay for their own health care or not.

http://tinyurl.com/lsfrjc

It was announced today that life-expectancy in America, the most diverse nation on Earth, has reached an average of 78 years for all races and both sexes. Look at the chart below and tell me that our health care system is broken.


The technologies and drugs developed by America have raised the life expectancy of the entire planet in far less diverse and far more homogeneous societies as well, where you'd expect the absence of racial and cultural factors to help. Obama and the Democrats would turn the system that got us here on its head, destroy the incentives that have made America the leader in medical technology and pharmaceuticals, and all in the name of Obama and the left's "Social Justice".

I guess I just "feel" differently about what the left is trying to do.  And apparently willing to do it without a single Republican vote, with the majority of Americans in opposition, and while accusing critics of being un-American, Nazis, mobs, and orchestrated.  All the while ACORN and SEIU unload busloads of paid supporters at Townhalls.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 12:40:59 AM »

The health care system needs reforming. I have excellent health care but I do notice my premiums and my employers going up two to three times the rate of inflation year after year. I am one of the lucky ones but still realize that at some point my employer will not be able to keep up nor will I. I have a brother who makes a lot more money than I do but has to pay for his own health care. With a couple of serious medical situations last year I paid about $500 out of pocket. (this includes a hospital stay, dental work for some of family, glasses, etc) He pays over $800 per month in premium for a lot less coverage than I get through my employer. Even with that he still pays a huge deductable and then 20% of the rest. NO dental. His out of pocket health care was over $20,000 per year. Ask the self employed how the health care system is working for them. Doubt they would agree with you. Ask the states who get substantially less reimbursement from Medicare than other ones. You don't have to go far since Washington is one of the lowest reimbursed states in the country. My doctor tells me that is one of the reasons people on it are having trouble finding doctors and some doctors are moving to other states. I could go on and on. I would agree with your statement that the best medicine in the world is right here in the U.S. However, how we pay for it including health insurance is not working. (just ask the states where health care costs are the highest climbing state costs)
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 09:56:08 PM »

There are a lot of questions about health care but where are the answers?  Instead of being lazy like some people are doing and just saying" let the government take control" how about putting our thinking caps on. Hmmm...The reason small business owners (me being one) have to pay so much for health care (the premium for just our family just went to $1700 per month) is because we are small.  So logically thinking how do we become part of a large group?  How about being able to to buy health insurance based on your job?  What if the American Nurses Association and the American food Services Workers and the Dental Assistants Association etc could buy health insurance? For every job there is has some national group or groups you can belong to.  Once you are part of a big group the price goes down.  Now I have been advocating this idea for years. And what did I hear on TV the other day?  Oh yes, it was President Obama.  He was asked about the health care that government workers receive.  He said it was great coverage at a lower price because they were a "large buying group".  So what if your employer just gave you the cash he spends on your healthcare in your check and now you go to the american Jewelers assoc. and buy your insurance for a much cheaper rate?  Oh, and I guess the issue of portability would be solved so now if you are an engineer in Washington, you can move to Colorado and it won't affect your health insurance at all.  Hey, here is another idea.  How about being able to contract with your primary care doctor and pediatrician directly and cut out the insurance company completely.  Let's say your doctor says "Ok Mr and Mrs Jones if you pay me $50 a month ($25 each) total that will include one checkup per year and as many sick visits as you need."  So for $300 each per year you can get your basic needs met. There was a doctor in New York City that was doing just that and was told to stop.  Hmm...now why would someone want to stop something that is a working well for the doctor and the patient?  I felt bad for the doctor in Eatonville who got in trouble because he was taking chickens etc. as payment and our great state government wanted him to pay taxes on it.  He should of given them a few dozen eggs. But if your basic healthcare was taken care of then you would just need a policy to cover accidents and major illness.  Now, according to my policy I have a bunch of stuff I don't need like maternity coverage.  Why pay more for a policy filled with things I will never use like acupuncture?  I should be able to pick and choose what I want.  There are many other issues such as torte reform for which I have also thought of solutions .  And I think that not enough has been done to inform the public of the free and low cost clinics that are available.  So my point is that there are many solutions that are faster and easier to implement than a government option.  It just requires effort and some legislation.  By the way we rely too much on insurance.  We had no maternity coverage for our third child because it was an extra $300 a month for it and we thought we were done.  We had to pay cash.  So, I looked for deals like a 10% discount if I payed my doctor in advance and they told me about a program that the hospital had that if I paid in advance my hospital stay would be $1800.  They would have charged my insurance company $6000.  Turns out if I would have paid the $300 a month for those three years between kids and then you add the 20% I still had to pay it would have been about $11,000. But since I paid cash it only cost $5000 for everything.  It was then that I learned we were brainwashed into being too dependent on insurance.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 11:57:51 PM »

Trackside14,

Well done.  As a small business owner myself, I understand everything you are saying. 

While I do not believe this is the case, one could make a strong arguement that Insurance Companies, Lawyers and Government are in a conspiracy to drive up medical costs.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 12:24:37 AM »

Health care is fine. I rephrase, the health insurance system is broken. When the number one cause of personal bankruptcy is serious medical costs, when the highest cost of doing business for most companies is the skyrocketing cost of health care, when the largest increase to government expenditures is health care, then yes the health insurance and costs of health care is broken. Just ask yourself this, if nothing is done at all and the status quo continues how long can companies, individuals, and government entities keep up with the escalating costs. The answer is obvious. The do nothings are worse than those who advocate things I don't agree with because they are don't even understand the problem. At least those who want to something, even if it is not the way I would go, realize there is a problem.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 01:43:52 AM »

Health care is fine. I rephrase, the health insurance system is broken. When the number one cause of personal bankruptcy is serious medical costs, when the highest cost of doing business for most companies is the skyrocketing cost of health care, when the largest increase to government expenditures is health care, then yes the health insurance and costs of health care is broken. Just ask yourself this, if nothing is done at all and the status quo continues how long can companies, individuals, and government entities keep up with the escalating costs. The answer is obvious. The do nothings are worse than those who advocate things I don't agree with because they are don't even understand the problem. At least those who want to something, even if it is not the way I would go, realize there is a problem.


The highest cost of most businesses is not health care.   Where did you hear such a load of &#!^)&$#^(*$???   

I do believe that the current system of health care and cost appropiation is not beneficial to the US economy.  Providing tax credits to employeers who provide health care, and liberalising the rules governing healthcare, while reigning in the lawyers, would fix the problem and create a much more favorable enviroment for businesses (and doctors) in the USA.
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Re: 6 months into Obama, how do Obama voters feel today?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 12:51:49 PM »

EWSoccer64-  I agree with you.  I am a business owner and the cost of health care for our employees is about 2% of our cost of doing business.  Technically, the highest cost for any business is Payroll.  Number 2 is taxes which for us is about 50%.  Why so high?  Because besides Federal taxes, sales tax on all our supplies etc., the Washington State B&O tax is the most unfair tax out there because it is based on your gross.  It does not take into account overhead costs so in effect, a business with 75% overhead costs like ours pays a much higher % of our net than a business with 50% overhead.  We have the best PPO health plan for our employees that you can have and it is not cheap but the thing that would help us out the most is a tax cut and an increase in the % you can write off for business equipment.  I am not looking forward to our overhead jumping to 80% when the Bush tax cuts expire in a year.  Watch what that will do to businesses, jobs, and the economy.  Also,  there is a huge lack of understanding about write offs.  People think everything is 100% write off.  Wrong.  We just had to buy new computers and can write off about 25% of it.  So the rest is cash out of pocket, the cost of doing business.  I believe it was George McGovern who after he was out of political life, opened a business, and said he was have done things completely differently with regards to the type of legislation he passed if he would have known how difficult running a business was.
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