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[goldentoe]

Well, I will be curious if the WSYS President is aware this is occurring.

Their is an intended tone to make the point but the following I feel could effect everyone in WSYS and exclude those teams and associations not already involved in the PDL from having premier clubs set up.  This is NOT about the team involved and whether they should play or not.  It is about whether the association should have the authority to say set their own policies, that can be more strict then WSYS, and request teams to follow their policies.

How would each association feel if the District came in and told you that your bylaws needed to be changed to fit the state's new rules even though there are no by laws in place at the state level? 

That is happening in District 3 where the District is telling the Association they need let a team play in the state league, even though the association did not approve them for state league play.  They informed the Association that their bylaws needed to change to fit the states new rules and the association no longer had the power to exclude teams from state league application even though their own bylaws say differently.

The association has had the rule for many years, it is not like this is a new rule. 

Here is a letter from WSYS but the association and team involved have been deleted:

At the Washington Youth Soccer AGM back in May (your association should have been present)  the council voted to grant the transition committee the ability to make changes to the state league and state cups. This included team eligibility policies and rules. To answer your question, yes, the transition committee has the authority to set the rules and procedures for who qualifies for the Washington Youth Soccer State League and State Cups. This information was also discussed at the District meetings as well.

It was agreed upon by the transition and CAP Committees that a team may not be denied the ability to participate in the State League based upon anything other than their competitive history.

If your By Laws state otherwise you will need to revise that section as it pertains to teams participating in the State League. At this time it does not apply to District Leagues.  State League team approval must be based upon the teams competitive history and not geography or anything else. 

Tammy Snow

The district is meeting with the association and club involved and it is expected that the district is going to tell the association that they need to let the team play in the state league even though the team, nor club, did not follow any of the rules of the association.  So basically, the association has no power what so ever.

I know the team, club, association and District, will not appreciate this and will probably rip me in this post but I really believe this is a sad day in WSYS.  With everything else that has been going on with firings at the office, people quitting the office as well as volunteers stepping down.  I really see WSYS going in the WRONG direction with the leadership team they have now and that is not a shot at the President but rather the ones involved in this CAP change and how they are implementing policy.

Just my 2 cents.

[ROCK]

I think we are seeing market changes that have to be met.  For far too long the parents on many association boards have "controlled" respective clubs and specific teams for political reasons only. 

Yes you can run for the board and change the policy to whatever you want with a majority of the other parents going along with you but that does not correct the problem.

The state was stream lining the process so that a team in XYZ association were not kept out of the comp. simply by XYZ fiat. 

Goldentoe, you know as well as anyone on this site with your decades of experience on boards and working in the state office, that parents on the board should be making fiscal policy decisions and NOT team decisions.  The team decisions should be made by the respective clubs and in the case of independent teams, by the team itself.

The state was leveling the playing field.  I don't think that was why they were fired, but if PDL Clubs are going to move without association support then all clubs should be moving without association interference.  The association's role should be to facilitate kid's playing soccer (i.e. handle the money, register the kids, draft the mod/rec schedule and the likes).  Unless a board actually knows what it is doing, they shouldn't be directing the teams in their respective performance.

Without this correction, teams will join US Club independantly from their Associations and the problem of controlling the teams becomes 10x worse.

[96 Octane]

Not sure I totally understand the problem here?

Are you upset because a lower level team in your Association is ranked higher than your team?

I can't really defend the CAP system because I have seen some of the rankings and they are a joke, but I do like that fact that every team can earn their way into the appropriate level of play.

Your team will just need to prove the state wrong or you can pick up your toys and go play in a different sandbox.

[screech]

Where is the list of WYS State League teams and their CAP posted?  I can't find it.   How are you seeing it?  Can you post it?

[goldengoal]

anyone know what rules did they not follow?

 If it is something that gave them the advantage over other teams or clubs then maybe I would have a problem with, otherwise just let the kids play where they want, especially if the club, team and associations have explained to the parents what is going on and are not being manipulated. just my 2 pennies

[Boo'sdaddy]

Rock, although you make some very legitimate points I can not say I totally agree with you.

Octane, you are completely off the point. This has absolutely nothing to do with rankings. It has nothing to do with whose team is better than who nor is it about any one single team or team's coaches. If this ruling is held up it affects every association in the state. .

[Left Foot]

This seems to be aimed at Assoc. unfairly restricting teams from playing in certain leagues. Anyone aware of any examples of such unwarranted or unfair restrictions?

[96 Octane]

Rock, although you make some very legitimate points I can not say I totally agree with you.

Octane, you are completely off the point. This has absolutely nothing to do with rankings. It has nothing to do with whose team is better than who nor is it about any one single team or team's coaches. If this ruling is held up it affects every association in the state. .

Sorry! When I read it the first time I got hung up on the use of "team" and may have miss the point.

My perspective after reading this was the association may have several clubs. The lower level club wants to play state and the higher level club doesn't want them to, but the state said to bad.

Now if the association has a rule against this I see your point of concern, but I believe the kids should play for who they want to and play in what every league they want qualify for.  But, I am just the customer (CP paying way to much $$$$) so who cares what I think, right!

[96 Octane]

Where is the list of WYS State League teams and their CAP posted?  I can't find it.   How are you seeing it?  Can you post it?

The list is four pages long. Which gender and age group are you looking for?

[Hat Trick95]

GU-14

[96 Octane]

GU-14

Here you go! This is not final. This is the list that was presented at last week's meeting. Your club had an opportunity to influence team placement and that will be posted on the 31st.

U-14 Girls Team and CAP rating

Bracket 1
Synergy FC 95 Danielson - 7.96
WENATCHEE FIRE G'95 BLACK - HENDRICKSON - 7.92
Kent United 95 - 7.86
FC Mukilteo Storm - 7.56
MRFC-95 Blue (Carlier) - 7.51
South Hill Revolution G95 - Black - 7.48
SSC ELITE G95-BELLEFUILLE - 7.47

Bracket 2
MVP Marauders 95 Navy - 7.25
Legacy 95 - 7.13
FC SHORELINE SAPPHIRES - 6.88
3-Rivers SC 95 Flames - 6.78
FME Legacy 95 (Norpoint Spirit 95) - 6.75
Bainbridge FC '95 Blue - 6.73
FPSC Fury '95 - 6.69
3-Rivers SC 95 Rage - 6.66

Bracket 3
NK Fuego United 95 - 6.52
RIVER CITY SC LIGHTNING-Lindsay - 6.43
Washington Rush F95 Nike - 6.34
Fusion Thunder G95 - 6.32
ISC Arsenal Red '95 Jones - 6.23
Northwest United FC95 - Hughes / McBee - 6.12
Tynecastle International FC 95G

[Hat Trick95]

Thanks for the information.  Not sure I get it but thanks anyway.

[goldengoal]

GU-14

Here you go! This is not final. This is the list that was presented at last week's meeting. Your club had an opportunity to influence team placement and that will be posted on the 31st.

U-14 Girls Team and CAP rating

Bracket 1
Synergy FC 95 Danielson - 7.96
WENATCHEE FIRE G'95 BLACK - HENDRICKSON - 7.92
Kent United 95 - 7.86
FC Mukilteo Storm - 7.56
MRFC-95 Blue (Carlier) - 7.51
South Hill Revolution G95 - Black - 7.48
SSC ELITE G95-BELLEFUILLE - 7.47

Bracket 2
MVP Marauders 95 Navy - 7.25
Legacy 95 - 7.13
FC SHORELINE SAPPHIRES - 6.88
3-Rivers SC 95 Flames - 6.78
FME Legacy 95 (Norpoint Spirit 95) - 6.75
Bainbridge FC '95 Blue - 6.73
FPSC Fury '95 - 6.69
3-Rivers SC 95 Rage - 6.66

Bracket 3
NK Fuego United 95 - 6.52
RIVER CITY SC LIGHTNING-Lindsay - 6.43
Washington Rush F95 Nike - 6.34
Fusion Thunder G95 - 6.32
ISC Arsenal Red '95 Jones - 6.23
Northwest United FC95 - Hughes / McBee - 6.12
Tynecastle International FC 95G

Just post a link to the site or post them all in a seperate thread, cause you are going to get some requests. I am assuming they only went up to U14 since U15 and above teams are still registering, is this correct?

[bigb]

Sorry! When I read it the first time I got hung up on the use of "team" and may have miss the point.

My perspective after reading this was the association may have several clubs. The lower level club wants to play state and the higher level club doesn't want them to, but the state said to bad.

Now if the association has a rule against this I see your point of concern, but I believe the kids should play for who they want to and play in what every league they want qualify for.  But, I am just the customer (CP paying way to much $$$$) so who cares what I think, right!

I agree with you 96, we keep saying it’s about the kids, but these Associations and Clubs sure are acting like it's not. If a team had a good season record the year before and wants to play in a WYS league, why not let them.  A lot of this sound more like sour grapes, then following the rules...

[ShelbyJ]

This seems to be aimed at Assoc. unfairly restricting teams from playing in certain leagues. Anyone aware of any examples of such unwarranted or unfair restrictions?

The idea behind this was primarily for associations that have a set up similar to Eastside Youth Soccer Association (I am not saying this is the association in question--this is an example only). For example, traditionally, EYSA is/was set up to have recreational clubs, then club select (playing generally district level, about 6 months of the year) and then one premier club (EFC). The set up was to funnel the most interested kids to EFC and provide the most competitive play for these kids.  The association therefore only sent its EFC teams to LPTs, etc. with the goal of not creating competing teams within the same association. I'm not saying this is bad or good, just that this was an example of why the associations had such a rule.

But the soccer world has changed--Many premier clubs also used to field only one team. Many of these clubs now field 3 or more. Why should an "C" team be able to access certain levels of play that a club select team cannot? Because of the changes, I think this rule needs to be examined to see if it still accomplishes its goal--it might in certain associations but not in others.

[Hat Trick95]

I just heard some interesting information.  A friend of mine just received an email that stated that the state is about to lay the hammer down in regards to teams trying to play both PSPL and WYS State league.  I guess something is suppossed to come down in the next day or so saying that if you play PSPL you will not be playing in the State League.  I guess the State is finally feeling threatened by the PSPL and trying to put their foot down.  As usual a day late and a dollar short seeing how brackets are suppossed to be out on Friday.

[bigb]

These teams should just go play in the District leagues and then they will be eligible for state cup!!!

[Left Foot]

I just heard some interesting information.  A friend of mine just received an email that stated that the state is about to lay the hammer down in regards to teams trying to play both PSPL and WYS State league.  I guess something is suppossed to come down in the next day or so saying that if you play PSPL you will not be playing in the State League.  I guess the State is finally feeling threatened by the PSPL and trying to put their foot down.  As usual a day late and a dollar short seeing how brackets are suppossed to be out on Friday.

Is there not some legitimate concern related to games per training session ratio when teams try to play both leagues? Overuse concerns as well? Oh, yeah, forget all that kid's stuff, let's stick it to the man!

Pan-galactic Domination League
Purple Sasquatch Pixie League
Was Youth Soccer League

 

[bigb]

I believe a lot of these teams are doing both leagues just to be eligible for state Cup - WYS should just let these PSPL teams play in the State cups - Remember it's for the kids, not the Adults WYS, plus you (WYS) would retain all the $$$ if you let them play.

[Left Foot]

I believe a lot these teams are doing both leagues just to be eligible for state Cup - WYS should just let these PSPL teams play in the State cups - Remember it's for the kids, not the Adults WYS, plus you (WYS) would retain all the $$$ if you let them play.

I thought the Purple Sasquatch Pixie League had it's own state/regional type competition that is just as good as the State Championship cup and Nationals. Why both when 1) brings up overuse issues and 2) the competition is just as good?

[SoccerRat]

This seems to be aimed at Assoc. unfairly restricting teams from playing in certain leagues. Anyone aware of any examples of such unwarranted or unfair restrictions?

The idea behind this was primarily for associations that have a set up similar to Eastside Youth Soccer Association (I am not saying this is the association in question--this is an example only). For example, traditionally, EYSA is/was set up to have recreational clubs, then club select (playing generally district level, about 6 months of the year) and then one premier club (EFC). The set up was to funnel the most interested kids to EFC and provide the most competitive play for these kids.  The association therefore only sent its EFC teams to LPTs, etc. with the goal of not creating competing teams within the same association. I'm not saying this is bad or good, just that this was an example of why the associations had such a rule.

But the soccer world has changed--Many premier clubs also used to field only one team. Many of these clubs now field 3 or more. Why should an "C" team be able to access certain levels of play that a club select team cannot? Because of the changes, I think this rule needs to be examined to see if it still accomplishes its goal--it might in certain associations but not in others.

Even if this rule is applied, what's to prevent the association being *ucked from inflicting its wrath on the team that dared to appeal to the state? For example, if a team decides that it wants to play in the girls state league in the spring and the association wants them to play district in the fall. The association can make getting field time difficult, make getting refs difficult, dismiss the coach, disband the team, etc....

I'd absolutely love it if the state came down on a few associations that are limiting their select clubs ability to play at the level they've earned, however the association has the real power because they control the local access to the resources the team needs. What the state really needs to do is make it easier for non affiliated teams to become part of the league.

[Futsal]

I believe a lot of these teams are doing both leagues just to be eligible for state Cup - WYS should just let these PSPL teams play in the State cups - Remember it's for the kids, not the Adults WYS, plus you (WYS) would retain all the $$$ if you let them play.

The league participation is a national rule for the Championship Cup ... and now maybe for the Challenge Cup if thats who we send to the new (Region IV) Presidents Cup.

[Left Foot]

Do the PSPL and WYS leagues run concurrently?

[2 CENTS]

This seems to be aimed at Assoc. unfairly restricting teams from playing in certain leagues. Anyone aware of any examples of such unwarranted or unfair restrictions?

Yes, I heard that Crossfire is forcing their select teams to play in the new north league even if they will not have any competition, "like vs like" is now "like vs comparable"

[bigb]

Do the PSPL and WYS leagues run concurrently?

Yes, they're Fall leagues start and end about the same times, plus both are played on Saturdays. Last year PSPL played on every other Sunday and only played 6 games.

[Hat Trick95]

GU-14

Here you go! This is not final. This is the list that was presented at last week's meeting. Your club had an opportunity to influence team placement and that will be posted on the 31st.

U-14 Girls Team and CAP rating

Bracket 1
Synergy FC 95 Danielson - 7.96
WENATCHEE FIRE G'95 BLACK - HENDRICKSON - 7.92
Kent United 95 - 7.86
FC Mukilteo Storm - 7.56
MRFC-95 Blue (Carlier) - 7.51
South Hill Revolution G95 - Black - 7.48
SSC ELITE G95-BELLEFUILLE - 7.47

Bracket 2
MVP Marauders 95 Navy - 7.25
Legacy 95 - 7.13
FC SHORELINE SAPPHIRES - 6.88
3-Rivers SC 95 Flames - 6.78
FME Legacy 95 (Norpoint Spirit 95) - 6.75
Bainbridge FC '95 Blue - 6.73
FPSC Fury '95 - 6.69
3-Rivers SC 95 Rage - 6.66

Bracket 3
NK Fuego United 95 - 6.52
RIVER CITY SC LIGHTNING-Lindsay - 6.43
Washington Rush F95 Nike - 6.34
Fusion Thunder G95 - 6.32
ISC Arsenal Red '95 Jones - 6.23
Northwest United FC95 - Hughes / McBee - 6.12
Tynecastle International FC 95G

I thought that the CAP information was going to be gathered from league play and State Cup.  I see teams that played in lower division during league play and that we beat in the commissioners cup rated well above us.  Is this truely how the points were gathered or was it just league play?

[Left Foot]

Do the PSPL and WYS leagues run concurrently?

Yes, they're Fall leagues start and end about the same times, plus both are played on Saturdays. Last year PSPL played on every other Sunday and only played 6 games.

Ok then. For those folks who are playing in both -- how do you address the game to training ratio and overuse issues? Why not just play in one or the other?

[bigb]

I can't answer that, I will leave that to the coaches...To be honest my DD would play soccer all the time if she could and was disappointed that she couldn't play in both... Between soccer and Basketball the girl is sports hungry... BB Dad should know what I am talking about.

[Left Foot]

I can't answer that, I will leave that to the coaches...To be honest my DD would to play soccer all the time if she could and was disappointed that she couldn't play in both... Between soccer and Basketball the girl is sports hungry... BB Dad should know what I am talking about.

DD is the same... and at the younger ages, we learned about overuse injuries. I hear a lot on this site about development first. Does playing in both leagues square with that philosophy? Just wanted to see if folks were going to cut down on practices -- thus throwing the game to training ratio even more out of kilter or take some other remedial action.

Could be that folks think its all a bunch of hooie I guess.

How many teams are playing both. For those who are -- does it pose any problems at all for your kid?

[bigb]

DD is the same... and at the younger ages, we learned about overuse injuries. I hear a lot on this site about development first. Does playing in both leagues square with that philosophy? Just wanted to see if folks were going to cut down on practices -- thus throwing the game to training ratio even more out of kilter or take some other remedial action

We try to limit how much she plays and Soccer always comes before basketball, but we always worry about overuse injuries.  Between her arthritis and Osgood Schlatters we are very careful and keep a close watch on her....