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[basketballdad]

With more and more former, or current stars, admitting to being tested positive for steriods in 03 and many others under suspicion do any of the recent records really count. Some of my favorite players have lost my respect for doing so or being coy about it. (see Mark Mcgwire) Ysterday, great discussion on KJR about how players went from mild seasons for years only to have a monster season one time then go back to mediocre. Compared it to players skills gradually eroding over time to the up and down yo yo seasons during steroid era.

[Left Foot]

With more and more former, or current stars, admitting to being tested positive for steriods in 03 and many others under suspicion do any of the recent records really count. Some of my favorite players have lost my respect for doing so or being coy about it. (see Mark Mcgwire) Ysterday, great discussion on KJR about how players went from mild seasons for years only to have a monster season one time then go back to mediocre. Compared it to players skills gradually eroding over time to the up and down yo yo seasons during steroid era.

I, for one, have not watched a baseball game since Bonds was allowed to break Hank's home run record. IF the Mariners ever make the playoffs, it may be hard to maintain this stance. But then, I was never a big baseball fan anyway. Records today -- bogus!

[93soccerdad]

I feel that today's records are tainted...not sure what to do about it...but that is how I feel.  Like BBD, I was a HUGE Mark McGwire fan...not so much any more.

[Left Foot]

I feel that today's records are tainted...not sure what to do about it...but that is how I feel.  Like BBD, I was a HUGE Mark McGwire fan...not so much any more.

It drives home the sad truth that great athletes do not necessarily have to be morally or ethically superior.

[kennard04]

I feel that today's records are tainted...not sure what to do about it...but that is how I feel.  Like BBD, I was a HUGE Mark McGwire fan...not so much any more.

It drives home the sad truth that great athletes do not necessarily have to be morally or ethically superior.

being blessed with speed, agility, stamina and mental toughness does not instill values nor give a person morals. Most those are taught by parents. Being an icon or a role model means nothing to some athletes. But then we expect that of them, it's not a mantle many athletes choose to carry. They are after all just humans, even though they can hit a homerun. It's nice to wish these super athletes would accept some responsibility for their lives knowing how many people idilize them. But sadly it's not how it is.

[Left Foot]

I feel that today's records are tainted...not sure what to do about it...but that is how I feel.  Like BBD, I was a HUGE Mark McGwire fan...not so much any more.

It drives home the sad truth that great athletes do not necessarily have to be morally or ethically superior.

being blessed with speed, agility, stamina and mental toughness does not instill values nor give a person morals. Most those are taught by parents. Being an icon or a role model means nothing to some athletes. But then we expect that of them, it's not a mantle many athletes choose to carry. They are after all just humans, even though they can hit a homerun. It's nice to wish these super athletes would accept some responsibility for their lives knowing how many people idilize them. But sadly it's not how it is.

No doubt. It sure would b easier though if only good guys finished first. 

[Victory]

With more and more former, or current stars, admitting to being tested positive for steriods in 03 and many others under suspicion do any of the recent records really count. Some of my favorite players have lost my respect for doing so or being coy about it. (see Mark Mcgwire) Ysterday, great discussion on KJR about how players went from mild seasons for years only to have a monster season one time then go back to mediocre. Compared it to players skills gradually eroding over time to the up and down yo yo seasons during steroid era.

I, for one, have not watched a baseball game since Bonds was allowed to break Hank's home run record. IF the Mariners ever make the playoffs, it may be hard to maintain this stance. But then, I was never a big baseball fan anyway. Records today -- bogus!

Now that is funny.  I watched the Bonds run to the record hoping that he would not make it.  After he did and MLB let it stand I have not watched a single game.  I grew up watching Aarons run.  For those of us in my generation the Aaron run was huge.  To have his earned record taken away by a cheater is wrong.

[EWSoccer64]

Count me in this chorus of rare unaminity.  At this point, I do not trust any stat from the last 20 years, and believe that any record set by a cheating doper should be struck from the books.

[dogedog]

Way do you think MLB hasn't removed these records?

Did you know that baseball put steroids on the banned list in 1991

But they did not start testing for it until 2003, now that is a huge gap.  Why do we think it took them so long to start testing?  $$$$$$$$$

That is why records won't be removed by MLB becuase they are to blame as well. 

Now I love baseball and I can remember McGuire chasing the HR record and being glued to the TV.  Interesting article I found. http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/rjmorgan/mba211/Steroids%20and%20Major%20League%20Baseball.pdf

All records are made to be broken, so in time these tainted records will be just a footnote. 

[basketballdad]

Wow, something we can all agree on. It is too bad since with increased testing those records by the cheaters will be tougher to beat. I loved watching George Brett's season where he was hovering around 400, Aaron's home run race, etc. Now I don't even follow the stats or many games to be honest.

[Left Foot]

Righteous indignation.....ain't it grand!

[basketballdad]

Ironic that many will forgive their favorite pro athlete for DUI, adultery, dog fighting, etc but they had better not cheat in their sport.

[Left Foot]

Ironic that many will forgive their favorite pro athlete for DUI, adultery, dog fighting, etc but they had better not cheat in their sport.

Actually, I would probably forgive the players IF they own up to the truth. As much folks dislike A-Rod, when pushed to the wall, he said he did it. None of this Mark McGuire bull where he refuses to address the issue.

However, even if the athletes admit their mistakes, you still must contend with the owners and administrators who knew their sport was tainted but did nothing about it for the $$. No different than any other bottom-line driven creeps but they wrecked the integrity of the game -- whatever that is. 

[TheWarpedDog]

BBdad,
I'm going to take my anti-steroid stance on this one.  I was pretty frustrated the night I watched ESPN say that no, it didn't really matter.  Really?  REALLY ESPN??  Ok, so when I competed in Drug-Free Powerlifting and was also a National certified judge, the list of banned substances was large but peer into the things that happen to you when you take them.

Hmm:
Heart failure
Kidney failure
Brain damage
Anger issues
Lack of intimate performance abilities
DEATH

I know of at least 6 people that have died over the years WELL before their age of natural progression is and to think ESPN thought it was ok to say it didn't matter?  So if your kid passes on because of cardiac arrest at the ripe age of 27, was it 'ok' because idiot fans cheered him/her on?
I think the only acceptable response 2 year ban on 1st offesne, life 2nd.  All because they can take a medocre player and make him/her a temporary superstar.
Just Say NO!

[basketballdad]

I agree with you. My brother played small college football and watched a 6'5 220 tight end become a 6'5 260 tight end over the summer. He was told to get bigger or stronger or he would never play. He got to play but he also got roid rage and had some incidents with the law, acne, lost two girlfriends due to anger and intimicay issues, and ultimately had kidney problems. Listening to my brother talk about this guy I wonder who was there for him to let him know it is not worth it. ESPN is losing my respect lately for a variety of issues and this is just another one.

[FF97]

Not that I suspect anything, but the one that would just break my heart would be if Cal Ripken Jr's ironman record turned out to be tainted. I think he is one of the classiest players of all time. He was truly a role model for all the kids I grew up with. I'll admit I was emotional the night he broke the record, and the night he hit the home run in his last all star game. I lost interest in the professional game once all the scandal started.

[FF97]

  All because they can take a medocre player and make him/her a temporary superstar.

Like Brett Boone! Pump up, get the big contract, go off the stuff, shrink back into a little second baseman that can't live up to the expectations of the big contract. Adrian Beltre? 50 home runs in his last season with the Dodgers? Really?

[Brat Jr]

Not that I suspect anything, but the one that would just break my heart would be if Cal Ripken Jr's ironman record turned out to be tainted. I think he is one of the classiest players of all time. He was truly a role model for all the kids I grew up with. I'll admit I was emotional the night he broke the record, and the night he hit the home run in his last all star game. I lost interest in the professional game once all the scandal started.

those blue eyes hold too much strength & honor to need to take steriods. A class act all the way in my book

[TheWarpedDog]

Not that I suspect anything, but the one that would just break my heart would be if Cal Ripken Jr's ironman record turned out to be tainted. I think he is one of the classiest players of all time. He was truly a role model for all the kids I grew up with. I'll admit I was emotional the night he broke the record, and the night he hit the home run in his last all star game. I lost interest in the professional game once all the scandal started.

those blue eyes hold too much strength & honor to need to take steriods. A class act all the way in my book

While I have *NO* opinion, *NO* facts either way on C.R. specifically, just a few words of caution.  If you ever study the updates on things to look for in females and males (different characteristics) you would be surprised at how easy it is to visually pick out users, in almost every sport.  Sadly, so much of the newer cycle of athletes just don't want to put the time in to evolve to the top layer without chemical assistance.  The ones that do without truely achieve greatness.

[EWSoccer64]

I was always a big Pete Rose fan, and was extremely disappointed about the betting scandal.  I never doubted that he bet on the games that he was managing.  Yes, I believe that he should be kept out of the hall of fame.  But at least he did not cheat on the field by using steroids.