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White House taking on Fox News
« on: October 19, 2009, 11:39:32 AM »

I find it quite amazing that it is becoming common that when someone (or organization) disagrees with White House policy, that the White House goes on the attack. Not from a fact based stance, but from a reputation, character stance.
I hope that Obama can stop this type of disgrace. I want him to succeed. But, I do not think that attacking those who disagree with you (the way they are doing so), is the way to succeed.

Two different articles. One from Fox and one from another news agency:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news-1925819282/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33376836/ns/politics-white_house/

It is something to note, that most everyone agrees (liberals, conservatives, News Agencies regardless of affliliation to Fox) that this is a bad way to conduct policy decisionmaking.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 12:41:14 PM »

I find it quite amazing that it is becoming common that when someone (or organization) disagrees with White House policy, that the White House goes on the attack. Not from a fact based stance, but from a reputation, character stance.
I hope that Obama can stop this type of disgrace. I want him to succeed. But, I do not think that attacking those who disagree with you (the way they are doing so), is the way to succeed.

Two different articles. One from Fox and one from another news agency:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news-1925819282/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33376836/ns/politics-white_house/

It is something to note, that most everyone agrees (liberals, conservatives, News Agencies regardless of affliliation to Fox) that this is a bad way to conduct policy decisionmaking.


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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 02:09:33 PM »

Goldengoal how little you understand me. If you read my political thoughts you would readily recognize a liberal bent. However, you would also see a person who believes in pragmatic politics. I am not big on being right and getting nothing done. I  believe in compromise and think some is better than nothing. Thus, you are way too late. I have already sent an email to the President, the Democratic National Committee,and cc'd it to the state committee.

This is idiotic, a waste of time, and beneath the Presidency. I am still a supporter of Obama but have no problem criticizing the administration when they take a wrong turn. (unlike most conservatives--EW excluded who also criticizes people on his side of the aisle)All they are doing are improving Fox's ratings, looking childish, and missing an opportunity to debate the issues with an opponent.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 03:14:56 PM »

Goldengoal how little you understand me. If you read my political thoughts you would readily recognize a liberal bent. However, you would also see a person who believes in pragmatic politics. I am not big on being right and getting nothing done. I  believe in compromise and think some is better than nothing. Thus, you are way too late. I have already sent an email to the President, the Democratic National Committee,and cc'd it to the state committee.

This is idiotic, a waste of time, and beneath the Presidency. I am still a supporter of Obama but have no problem criticizing the administration when they take a wrong turn. (unlike most conservatives--EW excluded who also criticizes people on his side of the aisle)All they are doing are improving Fox's ratings, looking childish, and missing an opportunity to debate the issues with an opponent.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 07:13:04 PM »

I find this sort of abuse of power pathetic.

Most experts in the media think they are making  huge mistake with this sort of stance and attacking of Fox
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/fox-hunting/
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 01:10:42 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 04:41:20 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 04:52:30 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville

Sorry, where Fox and MSNBC is concerned, pointing out that it isn't news is separate from going after the press. Unfortunately, folks seem to think that because some paid political hack made some statement, it is true and somehow "news". No attempt to hush them up, just telling the truth that its not a news channel. I would hope that folks already knew this....maybe not. For a sizable portion of the right, the earth is apparently only 5,000 years old so I guess a bunch of ranting fools on Fox are pretty believable..... :angel:
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 05:15:35 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville

Sorry, where Fox and MSNBC is concerned, pointing out that it isn't news is separate from going after the press. Unfortunately, folks seem to think that because some paid political hack made some statement, it is true and somehow "news". No attempt to hush them up, just telling the truth that its not a news channel. I would hope that folks already knew this....maybe not. For a sizable portion of the right, the earth is apparently only 5,000 years old so I guess a bunch of ranting fools on Fox are pretty believable..... :angel:

Nice argument besides the fact the White House did not say why Fox News is not News nor did they point out anything Fox said that was untrue. You cannot as the White House try and Hush up or tell Americans what to watch or not watch, especially if you have no valid reason for making your statement to start with.

Sorry lefty, you are defending them for actions that no other NEWS or NEWSPAPER will agree with you on. Regardless of what you or I may have opinion on, it is not the White Houses job to tell us what NEWS is. I'm sorry but I do not think you will find many people who side with you regardless of which party they support.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 06:09:18 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville

Sorry, where Fox and MSNBC is concerned, pointing out that it isn't news is separate from going after the press. Unfortunately, folks seem to think that because some paid political hack made some statement, it is true and somehow "news". No attempt to hush them up, just telling the truth that its not a news channel. I would hope that folks already knew this....maybe not. For a sizable portion of the right, the earth is apparently only 5,000 years old so I guess a bunch of ranting fools on Fox are pretty believable..... :angel:

Nice argument besides the fact the White House did not say why Fox News is not News nor did they point out anything Fox said that was untrue. You cannot as the White House try and Hush up or tell Americans what to watch or not watch, especially if you have no valid reason for making your statement to start with.

Sorry lefty, you are defending them for actions that no other NEWS or NEWSPAPER will agree with you on. Regardless of what you or I may have opinion on, it is not the White Houses job to tell us what NEWS is. I'm sorry but I do not think you will find many people who side with you regardless of which party they support.

Sorry, it ain't news, it is a bunch of paid republican hacks, like MSNBC only not representing the party in power at the moment. That very few will agree that it ain't news is sad, really sad -- but what are you going to do when half the time the country is run by folks that don't want evolution taught in schools because some religious hack tells them so.....

No worries though.  :drinks:

I think John Stewart gets it right - and this is a past CNN show --


 :drinks:
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 06:15:22 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville

Sorry, where Fox and MSNBC is concerned, pointing out that it isn't news is separate from going after the press. Unfortunately, folks seem to think that because some paid political hack made some statement, it is true and somehow "news". No attempt to hush them up, just telling the truth that its not a news channel. I would hope that folks already knew this....maybe not. For a sizable portion of the right, the earth is apparently only 5,000 years old so I guess a bunch of ranting fools on Fox are pretty believable..... :angel:

Nice argument besides the fact the White House did not say why Fox News is not News nor did they point out anything Fox said that was untrue. You cannot as the White House try and Hush up or tell Americans what to watch or not watch, especially if you have no valid reason for making your statement to start with.

Sorry lefty, you are defending them for actions that no other NEWS or NEWSPAPER will agree with you on. Regardless of what you or I may have opinion on, it is not the White Houses job to tell us what NEWS is. I'm sorry but I do not think you will find many people who side with you regardless of which party they support.

Sorry, it ain't news, it is a bunch of paid republican hacks, like MSNBC only not representing the party in power at the moment. That very few will agree that it ain't news is sad, really sad -- but what are you going to do when half the time the country is run by folks that don't want evolution taught in schools because some religious hack tells them so.....

No worries though.  :drinks:

So you are saying that NOW the White House decides whats NEWS? I guess the freedom of speech is no good in your book. It's not about the party..it's about freedom of speech. The White House over stepped on this issue. At least the cowards came forward and said it's because they don't like two specific shows on Fox..... and then were told by Fox those hours are reserved for opinion shows not news. Facts are Facts Lefty, the White House is being un-american by making statements like they did and regardless of party if you can't see that I feel sorry for you.

Reread your statement and show me one instance that the republicans said MSNBC was not a NEW source... you won't find it..sorry. You know why? It's just not american to try to squash freedom of speech
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 06:18:07 PM »

Holy freedom of speak.... haha  I just couldn't get it out of my head. Oh and lefty it' nice to know we can disagree and know that we still get along.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 06:23:53 PM »

Hmmm. Bad move from a practical stand point.

But are there really people out there who believe that programming on the Fox network is news? Very scary....

As much as I found MSNBC or CNN to be during the election...

The bottom line is anyone trying to hush up any news channel or tell people to ignore them should be watch like a hawk from now on. If you only want good press then you should not have run for president and if you think you can dictate the press, then go run china and be a communist.

I had no opinion good or bad of the president when he was elected but he is slowing moving into the Obama LLama category......just a few steps from donkeyville

Sorry, where Fox and MSNBC is concerned, pointing out that it isn't news is separate from going after the press. Unfortunately, folks seem to think that because some paid political hack made some statement, it is true and somehow "news". No attempt to hush them up, just telling the truth that its not a news channel. I would hope that folks already knew this....maybe not. For a sizable portion of the right, the earth is apparently only 5,000 years old so I guess a bunch of ranting fools on Fox are pretty believable..... :angel:

Nice argument besides the fact the White House did not say why Fox News is not News nor did they point out anything Fox said that was untrue. You cannot as the White House try and Hush up or tell Americans what to watch or not watch, especially if you have no valid reason for making your statement to start with.

Sorry lefty, you are defending them for actions that no other NEWS or NEWSPAPER will agree with you on. Regardless of what you or I may have opinion on, it is not the White Houses job to tell us what NEWS is. I'm sorry but I do not think you will find many people who side with you regardless of which party they support.

Sorry, it ain't news, it is a bunch of paid republican hacks, like MSNBC only not representing the party in power at the moment. That very few will agree that it ain't news is sad, really sad -- but what are you going to do when half the time the country is run by folks that don't want evolution taught in schools because some religious hack tells them so.....

No worries though.  :drinks:

So you are saying that NOW the White House decides whats NEWS? I guess the freedom of speak is no good in your book. It's not about the party..it's about freedom of speak. The White House over stepped on this issue. At least the cowards came forward and said it's because they don't like two specific shows on Fox..... and then were told by Fox those hours are reserved for opinion shows not news. Facts are Facts Lefty, the White House is being un-american by making statements like they did and regardless of party if you can't see that I feel sorry for you.

Reread your statement and show me one instance that the republicans said MSNBC was not a NEW source... you won't find it..sorry. You know why? It's just not american to try to squash freedom of speech

Actually, the republicans should have that MSNBC wasn't 'cause its true. I can't believe how worked up folks are about this. Did you stop mindlessly listening to paid republican spokesman on Fox because the White House pointed out the obvious that it ain't news? Did Fox go off of the air? It's like saying the sky is blue for Christ sakes.

Unamerican would be outing a CIA agent because her husband said something that undermined your argument supporting invading another country so you could let huge support contracts to your former company. God, I hope that never happens!

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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 06:29:26 PM »

I will just have to disagree with you.....it is a big issue.

The White House should never be in the business of telling us what we should or should not watch or what is or isn't news.

When they do..regardless of party, they are definitely stepping over a line that the founding fathers drew in the sand. It is a big deal because it's about freedom/freedoms, something that makes this country great.

You need to stop being such a dem and realize regardless of the channel, the comments are out of line. Obama the Llama... soon to be Barack O Burro if they keep it up.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 11:53:38 PM »

All they are doing are improving Fox's ratings.

And as Glenn Beck suggested today, this new attack by the WH is probably nothing more than another distraction for people to focus on while they cram socialized medicine down the American peoples throat. And for those who buy into the argument that FoxNews isn't news, media watchdogs would disagree. In fact, multiple analyses of the media during the campaign and election indicate that FoxNews "news" shows were the most balanced on TV. The latest attack by the WH on FoxNews, combined with their attacks on Conservative Radio personalities like Limbaugh and Hannity, and new FCC plans to regulate the Internet, all the while suggesting that liberal newspapers may be bailed out, suggests that this WH is more focused on a unified perspective in the news, and not the diversity that it claims to want throughout our culture.

One good sign that won't get a lot of MSM attention. A cloture vote was done today on what the Dems are calling the Medicare "Doctor Fix". This is another rabbit out of a hat bill that magically spends $247 billion that we don't have to finally fully reimburse doctors for their Medicare patients they've been getting short-changed on. A good reform, but a reform that both highlights a major problem with government run plans, and highlights the fact that doctors have been forced to spread their Medicare reimbursement losses to other paying patients.

But here's the rub. Two weeks ago Senate Democrats asked the CBO to score the Baucus Bill. They did so before the bill had been put into legislative (legal) language and with a myriad of cost suppressing assumptions and criteria aimed at artificially suppressing the scored cost of the bill. Dems have placed an arbitrary $1 trillion price-tag on Healthcare reform over the next decade; a sort of self-imposed acceptable cost they hope the American people to agree with. I certainly don't!  So the CBO scored the bill at $829 billion over tens years. New taxes on employers, and penalties levied on the uninsured would start immediately, but the actual implementation of the programs wouldn''t start until 2013, so the score is flawed anyway. 10 years of taxes and penalties to pay for 5 years of a blossoming government expansion of health care.  In the following decades this bill would cost $2-$3 trillion each decade, but Dems have ignored that.

Anyway, the Dems didn't want this $247 Doctor Fix to push the CBO score about that arbitrary and magic $1 trillion, so they simply decided to put it in a separate bill so it wouldn't count against healthcare reform.

So today they had a cloture vote that requires 60 votes to send it to the floor. And miracle of miracles occurred; 12 Democrats voted NO on cloture.  Now whether principled, or simply under extreme pressure from their constituents, this was a serious blow to Obamacare.

Again, you won't read much about it. Everyone's talking about the WH attack on FoxNews.

While I'm here I'll also disagree with Left Foot. While Beck and Hannity oppose Democrats vehemently, Beck thinks little better of Republcians, while O'Reilly is all over the map. But these shows are not news shows, and independent studies have shown that FoxNews is more balanced than the rest. So if you believe FoxNews is populated by Republican hacks, studies would suggest that the rest of the media is far more biased in the other direction.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 02:15:55 AM »

Have to agree with Squash on this one. I don't know why the White House continues to attack a new organization. Maybe Handball is right and it is just to distract the public from what Congress is doing. Maybe it is just petty annoyance that they often disagree with the White House and their rating continue to go up. I have no idea why but regardless it is just plain dumb politics. There is not upside. The people who agree with the White House don't watch Fox for the most part. Those that disagree with the White House usually already watch Fox. Thus, the ratings climb are coming from independents who happen to be the group both sides want desperately.

This does not include the fact that it is ridiculous for a president and staff to sink to this level. Instead of doing what every other administration always does which is to send surrogates on all the news shows to debate the issues this White House wants to try to isolate Fox by shunning them. Then they want other news organizations to shun them also. This idea came right from the movie Dumb and Dumber. Whoever suggested this should be the first one fired. (I am sorry we don't do that now. People resign to pursue other options) Whatever you call it get back to health care, foreign policy issues, and a host of real problems that need attention. For the record O Reilly and Olberman are very similiar in style and personality. They just happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum. (yes I watch them both and yes they are both opinion  and not news people)
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2009, 08:57:21 AM »

Have to agree with Squash on this one. I don't know why the White House continues to attack a new organization. Maybe Handball is right and it is just to distract the public from what Congress is doing. Maybe it is just petty annoyance that they often disagree with the White House and their rating continue to go up. I have no idea why but regardless it is just plain dumb politics. There is not upside. The people who agree with the White House don't watch Fox for the most part. Those that disagree with the White House usually already watch Fox. Thus, the ratings climb are coming from independents who happen to be the group both sides want desperately.

This does not include the fact that it is ridiculous for a president and staff to sink to this level. Instead of doing what every other administration always does which is to send surrogates on all the news shows to debate the issues this White House wants to try to isolate Fox by shunning them. Then they want other news organizations to shun them also. This idea came right from the movie Dumb and Dumber. Whoever suggested this should be the first one fired. (I am sorry we don't do that now. People resign to pursue other options) Whatever you call it get back to health care, foreign policy issues, and a host of real problems that need attention. For the record O Reilly and Olberman are very similiar in style and personality. They just happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum. (yes I watch them both and yes they are both opinion  and not news people)

BBDad, it's nice to know that you not only agree with me but the majority of educated americans. The only ones not thinking this was a bad idea have their heads too far up their @$$es to know any different because they can't look past their party lines. I commend you for being so smart.  :drinks:
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2009, 09:15:33 AM »

Handball as Beck said, when the White House thinks you are against them it is because of 1, 2 or 3 things

1)You have the wrong thinking   2)_____    3)Profits

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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2009, 10:01:54 AM »

The latest I have read indicates that the White House is targeting two timeslots (5:00 and 9:00) as examples of where Fox News is not news.

But, as it is pointed out in the article, those two time slots are for opinion programming. 

The White House cannot point to any specific instances where Fox has not reported the news and that, said news, was not accurate.

I don't watch Fox (but then I really don't watch any News channel consistently). 

I am not sure if this is a diversion tactic or not.  I think that Obama is treading thin ice here in trying to get the Media to cow tow to his viewpoints. 

It is not about Liberal or Conservative viewpoints.  It is about keeping government out of telling the Media what they can and cannot report as News.  This country has many more liberal news outlets than conservative.  Lashing out at one of the few conservative ones, only paints a bad image on this administration.
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2009, 01:48:47 PM »

Have to agree with Squash on this one. I don't know why the White House continues to attack a new organization. Maybe Handball is right and it is just to distract the public from what Congress is doing. Maybe it is just petty annoyance that they often disagree with the White House and their rating continue to go up. I have no idea why but regardless it is just plain dumb politics. There is not upside. The people who agree with the White House don't watch Fox for the most part. Those that disagree with the White House usually already watch Fox. Thus, the ratings climb are coming from independents who happen to be the group both sides want desperately.

This does not include the fact that it is ridiculous for a president and staff to sink to this level. Instead of doing what every other administration always does which is to send surrogates on all the news shows to debate the issues this White House wants to try to isolate Fox by shunning them. Then they want other news organizations to shun them also. This idea came right from the movie Dumb and Dumber. Whoever suggested this should be the first one fired. (I am sorry we don't do that now. People resign to pursue other options) Whatever you call it get back to health care, foreign policy issues, and a host of real problems that need attention. For the record O Reilly and Olberman are very similiar in style and personality. They just happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum. (yes I watch them both and yes they are both opinion  and not news people)

BBDad, it's nice to know that you not only agree with me but the majority of educated americans. The only ones not thinking this was a bad idea have their heads too far up their @$$es to know any different because they can't look past their party lines. I commend you for being so smart.  :drinks:

See BBDad, this is how it works. If you agree with the proponent  you are smart, don't have your head up your a*&*&, aren't unamerican and educated to boot. Now, if you don't, well....

I'll say it again, bad political move practically speaking -- telling the truth -- yep!

Is saying that the National Enquirer isn't news while maintaining their constitutional right to spew nonsense un-american? Wait, I get it, first Fox "News", then the National Enquirer!
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2009, 05:41:47 PM »

Have to agree with Squash on this one. I don't know why the White House continues to attack a new organization. Maybe Handball is right and it is just to distract the public from what Congress is doing. Maybe it is just petty annoyance that they often disagree with the White House and their rating continue to go up. I have no idea why but regardless it is just plain dumb politics. There is not upside. The people who agree with the White House don't watch Fox for the most part. Those that disagree with the White House usually already watch Fox. Thus, the ratings climb are coming from independents who happen to be the group both sides want desperately.

This does not include the fact that it is ridiculous for a president and staff to sink to this level. Instead of doing what every other administration always does which is to send surrogates on all the news shows to debate the issues this White House wants to try to isolate Fox by shunning them. Then they want other news organizations to shun them also. This idea came right from the movie Dumb and Dumber. Whoever suggested this should be the first one fired. (I am sorry we don't do that now. People resign to pursue other options) Whatever you call it get back to health care, foreign policy issues, and a host of real problems that need attention. For the record O Reilly and Olberman are very similiar in style and personality. They just happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum. (yes I watch them both and yes they are both opinion  and not news people)

BBDad, it's nice to know that you not only agree with me but the majority of educated americans. The only ones not thinking this was a bad idea have their heads too far up their @$$es to know any different because they can't look past their party lines. I commend you for being so smart.  :drinks:

See BBDad, this is how it works. If you agree with the proponent  you are smart, don't have your head up your a*&*&, aren't unamerican and educated to boot. Now, if you don't, well....

I'll say it again, bad political move practically speaking -- telling the truth -- yep!

Is saying that the National Enquirer isn't news while maintaining their constitutional right to spew nonsense un-american? Wait, I get it, first Fox "News", then the National Enquirer!

Lefty that must be a big rock because you're still stuck under it.

Maybe you need some air because you just aren't thinking straight lately.  :evil:
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2009, 05:48:18 PM »

Have to agree with Squash on this one. I don't know why the White House continues to attack a new organization. Maybe Handball is right and it is just to distract the public from what Congress is doing. Maybe it is just petty annoyance that they often disagree with the White House and their rating continue to go up. I have no idea why but regardless it is just plain dumb politics. There is not upside. The people who agree with the White House don't watch Fox for the most part. Those that disagree with the White House usually already watch Fox. Thus, the ratings climb are coming from independents who happen to be the group both sides want desperately.

This does not include the fact that it is ridiculous for a president and staff to sink to this level. Instead of doing what every other administration always does which is to send surrogates on all the news shows to debate the issues this White House wants to try to isolate Fox by shunning them. Then they want other news organizations to shun them also. This idea came right from the movie Dumb and Dumber. Whoever suggested this should be the first one fired. (I am sorry we don't do that now. People resign to pursue other options) Whatever you call it get back to health care, foreign policy issues, and a host of real problems that need attention. For the record O Reilly and Olberman are very similiar in style and personality. They just happen to fall on opposite sides of the spectrum. (yes I watch them both and yes they are both opinion  and not news people)

BBDad, it's nice to know that you not only agree with me but the majority of educated americans. The only ones not thinking this was a bad idea have their heads too far up their @$$es to know any different because they can't look past their party lines. I commend you for being so smart.  :drinks:

See BBDad, this is how it works. If you agree with the proponent  you are smart, don't have your head up your a*&*&, aren't unamerican and educated to boot. Now, if you don't, well....

I'll say it again, bad political move practically speaking -- telling the truth -- yep!

Is saying that the National Enquirer isn't news while maintaining their constitutional right to spew nonsense un-american? Wait, I get it, first Fox "News", then the National Enquirer!

Lefty that must be a big rock because you're still stuck under it.

Maybe you need some air because you just aren't thinking straight lately.  :evil:

....or your not thinking straight.

And so it goes.....
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2009, 05:51:20 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*

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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2009, 05:56:14 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2009, 06:06:56 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2009, 06:12:13 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP

Sorry, the you here was me. Just pointing out the litany of things a person is if he  or she doesn't agree with you....Unamerican, uneducated, head up their a&*, under a rock, disagreeing even with BBDad......
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2009, 06:19:12 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP

Sorry, the you here was me. Just pointing out the litany of things a person is if he  or she doesn't agree with you....Unamerican, uneducated, head up their a&*, under a rock, disagreeing even with BBDad......

Try harder...you're boring me. Oh and those things are only words unless quoted with the entire post..... attached it to freedom of speech and you have a point, then you are those things + some others in "my" mind. Rock boy
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2009, 06:33:25 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP

Sorry, the you here was me. Just pointing out the litany of things a person is if he  or she doesn't agree with you....Unamerican, uneducated, head up their a&*, under a rock, disagreeing even with BBDad......

Try harder...you're boring me. Oh and those things are only words unless quoted with the entire post..... attached it to freedom of speech and you have a point, then you are those things + some others in "my" mind. Rock boy

Did someone somehow curtail Fox Spews right to be a paid network shill for the right? I mean it's ok to spew right wing or left wing rhetoric any ole time you want. Just don't take too much umbrage when someone calls a spade a spade. Jeez you would think it was a secret or something.

I may have inadvertently raised an interesting issue earlier that you failed to address. What if the White House said that the National Enquirer wasn't news, but a bunch of made up stuff? Would that be a declaration of war on the 1st Amendment?

How about calling Rush Limbaugh leader of the Republican party?
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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2009, 06:40:31 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP

Sorry, the you here was me. Just pointing out the litany of things a person is if he  or she doesn't agree with you....Unamerican, uneducated, head up their a&*, under a rock, disagreeing even with BBDad......

Try harder...you're boring me. Oh and those things are only words unless quoted with the entire post..... attached it to freedom of speech and you have a point, then you are those things + some others in "my" mind. Rock boy

Did someone somehow curtail Fox Spews right to be a paid network shill for the right? I mean it's ok to spew right wing or left wing rhetoric any ole time you want. Just don't take too much umbrage when someone calls a spade a spade. Jeez you would think it was a secret or something.

I may have inadvertently raised an interesting issue earlier that you failed to address. What if the White House said that the National Enquirer wasn't news, but a bunch of made up stuff? Would that be a declaration of war on the 1st Amendment?

How about calling Rush Limbaugh leader of the Republican party?

Lefty I think you keep missing the point..... the White House made a statement about Fox and did not back it with 1 example of something Fox News did wrong. As said in this post by meluv i believe they stated two times slots they have issues with which are both opinion shows...not NEWS considered or called News even by Fox. They threw a blanket statement over the entire network...sorry but what they did was wrong. Why is it so hard for you to see?

Rush..... Oberman..... any of those opinion shows are all the same.... opinions. I know that, you know that...why doesn't the White House know it?

By the way people file lawsuits against the enquirer and win all the time for false statements they claim are real not opinions. I do not know one lawyer dumb enough and trust me there are plenty of dumb ones who would defend the White House statement of Fox News not being News.

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Re: White House taking on Fox News
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2009, 06:52:49 PM »

You seem to be the only one on your island....not even BBdad would be caught dead on it.  :-*



or that BBDad doesn't agree with you so you must be wrong..... ;D

wow lefty...... you must need glasses because in this particular post BBdad actually does agree with me...GASP

Sorry, the you here was me. Just pointing out the litany of things a person is if he  or she doesn't agree with you....Unamerican, uneducated, head up their a&*, under a rock, disagreeing even with BBDad......

Try harder...you're boring me. Oh and those things are only words unless quoted with the entire post..... attached it to freedom of speech and you have a point, then you are those things + some others in "my" mind. Rock boy

Did someone somehow curtail Fox Spews right to be a paid network shill for the right? I mean it's ok to spew right wing or left wing rhetoric any ole time you want. Just don't take too much umbrage when someone calls a spade a spade. Jeez you would think it was a secret or something.

I may have inadvertently raised an interesting issue earlier that you failed to address. What if the White House said that the National Enquirer wasn't news, but a bunch of made up stuff? Would that be a declaration of war on the 1st Amendment?

How about calling Rush Limbaugh leader of the Republican party?

Lefty I think you keep missing the point..... the White House made a statement about Fox and did not back it with 1 example of something Fox News did wrong. As said in this post by meluv i believe they stated two times slots they have issues with which are both opinion shows...not NEWS considered or called News even by Fox. They threw a blanket statement over the entire network...sorry but what they did was wrong. Why is it so hard for you to see?

Rush..... Oberman..... any of those opinion shows are all the same.... opinions. I know that, you know that...why doesn't the White House know it?

By the way people file lawsuits against the enquirer and win all the time for false statements they claim are real not opinions. I do not know one lawyer dumb enough and trust me there are plenty of dumb ones who would defend the White House statement of Fox News not being News.



"[Fox is] widely viewed as a part of the Republican Party: take their talking points and put them on the air, take their opposition research and put it on the air. And that's fine. But let's not pretend they're a news organization like CNN is."

    "The reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party. And it is not ideological... what I think is fair to say about Fox, and the way we view it, is that it is more of a wing of the Republican Party."

    "Obviously [the President] will go on Fox because he engages with ideological opponents. He has done that before and he will do it again... when he goes on Fox he understands he is not going on it as a news network at this point. He is going on it to debate the opposition."

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

Further, if you don't think that you can act as a backhanded spokesman for a particular ideological viewpoint by choosing specific stories to follow and stories to downplay and carefully choose which studies you highlight, you aren't with the game. For gosh sakes, the argument is often made that Fox Spews is a much needed right wing counterweight to the largely left wing media. Can you have it both ways?
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