Topic: .....spokane....... (Read 5567 times)

easternwashington · « **on:** October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM »

......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........

yote19 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:45:04 PM »

which one

hulabaloo · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2009, 08:09:42 PM »

Do tell ??

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:29:57 PM »

"Spokane" is usually referred to as the "City", the Spokane Youth Soccer Association. The Spokane Valley is referred to by the locals as the "Valley".

Without further substantiation, without any known scandals going on, it would be best to ask for substantiation before believing that either Spokane or the Valley werer kicked out of WYS.

lester · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2009, 11:53:34 PM »

They weren't the the ones that spoke up at the first teleconference for club presidents were they?
I'm still waiting my turn to be invited to question the decisions that have been made.
How do you spell PSPL? AYSO?
Never mind, I'll figure it out.

vusa92blue · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2009, 12:54:37 AM »

Quote from: EWSoccer64 on October 22, 2009, 11:29:57 PM

"Spokane" is usually referred to as the "City", the Spokane Youth Soccer Association.

Spokane Youth Sports Association

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2009, 02:13:49 AM »

Quote from: vusa92blue on October 23, 2009, 12:54:37 AM

Quote from: EWSoccer64 on October 22, 2009, 11:29:57 PM
"Spokane" is usually referred to as the "City", the Spokane Youth Soccer Association.

Spokane Youth Sports Association

Absolutely Correct. Thanks for correcting this post. +1 for catching my mistake done in haste.

soccerbuzz · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2009, 09:02:25 AM »

Quote from: easternwashington on October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM

......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........

Now that you've got our attention, EW, do tell!

easternwashington · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2009, 10:27:31 AM »

.....snippets giving........SYSA-Soccer does not have any of the rights or privileges of a Member Association of Washington Youth Soccer........individuals involved with SYSA-Soccer could meet with the Spokane Valley Junior Soccer Association to discuss folding SYSA-Soccer into that association...........

rockstar · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2009, 10:57:48 AM »

Quote from: easternwashington on October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM

......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........

Sooooooo what does that mean??? We dont have to play on there crapy #$%^^ fields anymore!!!!!!!! YEA HOOOOOO i hope not to ever drive there again. There fields SUCK!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED :evil:Not safe for our kids in any way!!!!

There i have spoken.

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2009, 06:45:24 PM »

Quote from: rockstar on October 23, 2009, 10:57:48 AM

Quote from: easternwashington on October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM
......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........
Sooooooo what does that mean??? We dont have to play on there crapy #$%^^ fields anymore!!!!!!!! YEA HOOOOOO i hope not to ever drive there again. There fields SUCK!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED :evil:Not safe for our kids in any way!!!! There i have spoken.

I believe that the Dwight Merkel complex is being completely redone this year, and teams are being forced to some sites that normally would not be used for games with out of towners. Hopefully that complex will be ready to go in the spring.

KICKSnGIGGLEZ · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2009, 03:53:32 AM »

There is so much more to this story than is being put out there for public knowledge. I wish this issue was as simple as SYSA and SpVJSA and the clubs within. These strings are being pulled at a much higher level for much more political reasons. The next few years are going to shake Washington soccer up big time!

easternwashington · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:01:44 AM »

......pass out business card while ref of game...........

Hit_the_Heifer · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:53:33 AM »

Calling EW DOC, calling EW DOC.....

Please give us a status update. Thanks.

If this rumor is true, that will cause a major shakeup in Spokane soccer. The Spokane Association and Valley Association have had lots of friction in the past.

KICKSnGIGGLEZ · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2009, 06:20:48 PM »

easternwashington (your name please?)
1. Not quite the topic but okay.
2. Was done through the coach, he encouraged, took and passed on to his players. AT NO TIME TALKED TO A PLAYER TO RECRUIT.
3. I am one of the only ones on the other side of the boundary line that wants to work with SYSA, I have been fighting for the two sides to work together for a long time now. We can dwell on the past or we can move on and make things happen in a positive way for Spokane soccer, up to you. For so long we have been happy with small minded soccer on the Eastside while the Westside dominates WA soccer. It is bickering and grievances that keep the politics alive and keeping EW soccer from ever being something. All we focus on is "our" player, "our" team or "our" club and we fight anyone who threatens that. My philosophy is that people truly invested in youth soccer should be willing to give up "our" for the sake of the game/players. I would gladly handover a player or team to another club/team if it meant they would get better opportunities in soccer or life.
4. You can feel what you want, say what you want and have your opinion about me. There is so much behind the scenes that nobody sees or gives me credit for (nor do I need credit). You write grievances because I talked to a coach about two players, yet what you don’t see if that I’ve placed much more than that into SYSA clubs. While everyone bickers and complains about boundaries, I’m in the background trying to work across the line and make Spokane soccer better. If I’ve upset you at all, I apologize, I’ve never done anything to deliberately offend or sabotage anyone in SYSA. I hope you can accept my apology and we move on to bigger and better things.
Brandon

swclark22 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2009, 07:17:48 PM »

Quote from: rockstar on October 23, 2009, 10:57:48 AM

Quote from: easternwashington on October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM
......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........
Sooooooo what does that mean??? We dont have to play on there crapy #$%^^ fields anymore!!!!!!!! YEA HOOOOOO i hope not to ever drive there again. There fields SUCK!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED :evil:Not safe for our kids in any way!!!! There i have spoken.

I was at South Complex #1 yesterday...
It has a sprinkler head sticking above ground around the 18 box (we put a disc cone on it!)...there is not one flat spot on the pitch...can you say "undulations", and the pitch was one of the most narrow that I have seen anywhere! (not to mention...no corner flags!)
They was no "playing to feet" because it would just take crazy bounces...
I hope they have better fields, because I would agree with rockstar...that field sucked!

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:19:48 PM »

Quote from: swclark22 on October 26, 2009, 07:17:48 PM

Quote from: rockstar on October 23, 2009, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: easternwashington on October 22, 2009, 07:14:31 PM
......just pm'ed......association in spokane no longer recognized as member of wys..........
Sooooooo what does that mean??? We dont have to play on there crapy #$%^^ fields anymore!!!!!!!! YEA HOOOOOO i hope not to ever drive there again. There fields SUCK!!! AND THEY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED :evil:Not safe for our kids in any way!!!! There i have spoken.

I was at South Complex #1 yesterday...
It has a sprinkler head sticking above ground around the 18 box (we put a disc cone on it!)...there is not one flat spot on the pitch...can you say "undulations", and the pitch was one of the most narrow that I have seen anywhere! (not to mention...no corner flags!)
They was no "playing to feet" because it would just take crazy bounces...
I hope they have better fields, because I would agree with rockstar...that field sucked!

The Dwight Merkel complex should be playable next year, and it will releave some of the overuse of the South Hill Complex.

soccer45girls · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:30:14 PM »

I've heard of teams having to reschedule because of field damage from over use and/or flooding, adverse weather, etc. It seems to be a problem in a few areas this year--not a huge problem that we've seen, but a problem no less. There are a few areas I've heard of that are building new fields to help alleviate some of this problem (not just in Spokane) but it does take time. Hopefully everyone can get through these times and be patient everywhere. I think a lot of areas are feeling it.
For instance, a Dos game had to be rescheduled because of field damage at Pea Patch this past weekend. The club is trying to accomodate, but with so many games at so many levels, it gets difficult. I guess in some ways, that's a good problem. It means more kids are playing at all levels and the sport is growing in our state. That should be a good thing, right? Now we just need more fields!

easternwashington · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:29:14 PM »

......terry.......force his way....will not happen........sysa just bad standing........all talk fisher...........

.....kickgiggle.......answer this.....you assign yourself to that game?

??

Soccer Wonk · « **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2009, 02:06:42 AM »

Quote from: easternwashington on November 01, 2009, 10:29:14 PM

......terry.......force his way....will not happen........sysa just bad standing........all talk fisher...........

INPUT REJECTED. INSUFFICIENT DATA TO PROCESS.

Left Foot · « **Reply #20 on:** November 02, 2009, 07:12:33 PM »

Quote from: KICKSnGIGGLEZ on October 24, 2009, 06:20:48 PM

easternwashington (your name please?)
1. Not quite the topic but okay.
2. Was done through the coach, he encouraged, took and passed on to his players. AT NO TIME TALKED TO A PLAYER TO RECRUIT.
3. I am one of the only ones on the other side of the boundary line that wants to work with SYSA, I have been fighting for the two sides to work together for a long time now. We can dwell on the past or we can move on and make things happen in a positive way for Spokane soccer, up to you. For so long we have been happy with small minded soccer on the Eastside while the Westside dominates WA soccer. It is bickering and grievances that keep the politics alive and keeping EW soccer from ever being something. All we focus on is "our" player, "our" team or "our" club and we fight anyone who threatens that. My philosophy is that people truly invested in youth soccer should be willing to give up "our" for the sake of the game/players. I would gladly handover a player or team to another club/team if it meant they would get better opportunities in soccer or life.
4. You can feel what you want, say what you want and have your opinion about me. There is so much behind the scenes that nobody sees or gives me credit for (nor do I need credit). You write grievances because I talked to a coach about two players, yet what you don’t see if that I’ve placed much more than that into SYSA clubs. While everyone bickers and complains about boundaries, I’m in the background trying to work across the line and make Spokane soccer better. If I’ve upset you at all, I apologize, I’ve never done anything to deliberately offend or sabotage anyone in SYSA. I hope you can accept my apology and we move on to bigger and better things.
Brandon

Can you please explain what this is about?

easternwashington · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2009, 12:15:29 PM »

.......river city prez.......recruiting while reffing game....ref game same agegender coaches......

breakaway · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:38:41 PM »

Quote from: easternwashington on November 04, 2009, 12:15:29 PM

.......river city prez.......recruiting while reffing game....ref game same agegender coaches......

Now that's pretty slick. The coach was at the game disguised as a ref! That's some Inspector Gadget shizz for sho'

easternwashington · « **Reply #23 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:12:30 PM »

........sysa suing WYS....amongst others.....filed in court...........

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 17, 2009, 11:05:47 PM »

sysa - That would be the Spokane Youth Sports Authority?

One would hope that they have gone through the standard filing of a grevience and following it up the chain of command through District IV and USSF before doing this, otherwise all SYSA teams, including the Shadow, could be banned from all state competition, including PDL. At least, that is how I remember the rules. Futsal, our governance rules guru, care to weigh in?

Quote from: easternwashington on November 17, 2009, 08:12:30 PM

........sysa suing WYS....amongst others.....filed in court...........

Futsal · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:19:02 AM »

Quote from: EWSoccer64 on November 17, 2009, 11:05:47 PM

sysa - That would be the Spokane Youth Sports Authority?

One would hope that they have gone through the standard filing of a grevience and following it up the chain of command through District IV and USSF before doing this, otherwise all SYSA teams, including the Shadow, could be banned from all state competition, including PDL. At least, that is how I remember the rules. Futsal, our governance rules guru, care to weigh in?

Quote from: easternwashington on November 17, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
........sysa suing WYS....amongst others.....filed in court...........

Well I am surprised that easternwashington would both text and post this here on WPS

EW64 would be correct in the fact that using the courts before exhausting all appeals through USSF would be a violation of the By-Laws at multiple levels. But By-Laws only apply to members. If SYSA is a member then they would be in violation of the By-Laws ... if they are not then the question is do they have standing?

I doubt that anyone would prevent SYSAS teams including the Shadow to be banned from state competition or PDL while issues are being ironed out. Even when LWYSA was held in bad standing WYS still allows their teams to play while the political side straightened itself out.

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:32:20 AM »

This is really an interesting situation. Please correct me where I may have facts/suppositions wrong.

1) The sysa is the Spokane Youth Sports Authority, which runs more sports than soccer in the city and community of Spokane. It does not include teams/clubs out in the Spokane Valley, which is under the auspices of the Spokane Valley Junior Soccer Association. (I would state the various club names, but they keep changing on me! It used to be Falcons, River City and Express, I believe.)

2) The sysa has a youth soccer system that encompasses U-6 to U-11 under a rec umbrella, and then clubs (Breakers, Shadow, Riverside, Scotties, Sabers, etc.) that play select (district) and Premier/PDL (only the Shadow/Spyders).

3) The sysa is/was a member association of District Six and the WSYSA.

That is what I believe the background is.

Now, why are they sueing and who are they sueing and what is their beef? In the past there was a big turf/recruiting/team transfer battle between sysa and SVJSA that ened up (so it is rumored) in a lawsuit, but that was mediated into a settlement about a decade ago.

If it is a lawsuit about recruitment/transferring of teams or players, I cannot see how going to court could possibly help anyone. Restraint of free trade, freedom of movement, etc. etc. would likely trump any whining about customers being enticed to pay dues to a new company.

Someone in Spokane = preferably someone who can speak in actual sentenances - please let us know what is going on.

Soccer Wonk · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2009, 01:47:17 AM »

"Little-e" ........ interesting technique ......... facts included .... facts omitted?

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Futsal · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:17:07 AM »

I cannot comment on the lawsuit since I have not seen what was filed. So far I have only heard that it was happening.

With respect to SYSA ... the August 3, 1983 affiliations document list Spokane Jr Soccer as the member organization not SYSA

Short version is that soccer people in Spokane are discussing the possibility of forming one Association. Everyone is invited to the table to give their input into what structure will best serve the soccer players of this community. This is an opportunity to end 30 years of border wars and to form a unified soccer community for the good of the game.

Of course ... not everyone is happy as change might upset their current organization.

The official communication is too long ... however I think I can post the following without too much fuss.

From the D6 Commission's letter to all WYS Members Spokane Region ...

1) Washington Youth Soccer has appointed Bill Dittman to be the liaison to form a committee and enter discussions with Spokane Valley Junior Soccer Association about uniting all of the Washington Youth Soccer members in Spokane. NO ONE else represents Washington Youth Soccer.

From SpVJSA President to SpVJSA Club Presidents and Coaches

In direct response to Washington Youth Soccer’s recommendation and with their active encouragement, the Board of Directors of the Spokane Valley Jr. Soccer Association (SpVJSA) are considering various proposals that would unify our corporation and operations with the Spokane Youth Sports Association-S (SYSA-S). The implications of this present opportunity are staggering and have the potential to greatly enhance the development of soccer throughout the inland northwest region.

Due to a variety of recent events (involving persons outside of our association), Washington Youth Soccer has determined that SpVJSA is currently the only state-affiliated soccer association in Spokane County that is in good standing. Under these circumstances, the leadership of Washington Youth Soccer has asked that we seize this opportunity in order to: (i) restructure the governance of soccer for the inland northwest region; (ii) improve the overall level of coaching for all our players; and to (iii) maximize youth soccer development.

SpVJSA did not create or ask for this opportunity, but we find ourselves in a unique position to lead this discussion. We welcome this task and, based on provisions set forth in our bylaws and other operating documents, we want to invite the soccer community into this conversation! Both Mr. Bill Dittman and I will lead this discussion. For the record, Mr. Dittman has been appointed by Washington Youth Soccer to serve as the sole representative of all SYSA-S members and as their liaison to the state. One immediate issue is deciding whether to create a new 501(c)(3), non-profit corporation or whether to simply rename and restructure the existing SpVJSA.

With these goals in mind, we will be holding the following meetings to begin this process. Successive meetings will (generally) include more of our membership:

-> Tuesday, November 10th: SpVJSA Board appointed representatives to meet with Bill Dittman and his appointed task force;

->Thursday, November 12th: Additional participants will be all club president’s or their representative.

->Monday, November 23rd: Additional stakeholders will join the discussions.

Thereafter, additional dates will be set in order to invite the soccer community into the conversation so as to create a shared vision for soccer in this inland northwest region of our state.

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:56:56 AM »

WOW!

The Big Club Protaganists must be wetting their panties at one of the possible permutations of this situation. The 3rd biggest metropolitan area in the state is possibly coming under one governance and has the potential of setting up "One Big Club". It is a dream come true for the ADP advocates.

But just to rain on their parade, I do not think that merging sysa and SVJSA and setting up one Premier/PDL club "to rule over them all" (to borrow from Tolkien) is going to happen. There is and has been far too much animosity, not just between the valley and the city, but inside each, for such an approach to work well in Spokane. On the other hand, the feud - and that is not to heavy a word to use - that has been ongoing for two decades or more, is not beneficial to the players and teams in what essentially should be one soccer community.

Aside from all that -

What has recently happened to have the sysa become now discredited with the WSYSA? If you do not want to go public, then PM me. There has to be something substantial going on for the state to declare that the sysa is not valid.

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