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[tripleplay]

We all live in the same state, and are part of the same state association under US Youth Soccer. Teams on the east side of the mountains deserve access to the same depth of competition and playing opportunities as those on the west side. Telling them to play up or settle for what amounts to a district league isn't equal.

We are living in the USA, and are part of US Youth Soccer. Teams in Washington deserve access to the same depth of competition and playing opportunities as those in S. California. Telling them to play in Washington isn’t equal.

We all live in the same country and are citizens of the United States. People living in Minnesota deserve access to the same surfing opportunities as people living in Hawaii. Telling them to settle for lesser recreation isn’t equal.

etc.

The simple facts are E. Washington has plenty of population and resources to provide good soccer opportunities, develop good teams etc. If they aren’t doing so to their satisfaction, it is their own fault and their own fault alone. I suspect the biggest source of whatever problems they have is too many people like EWSoccer64, who lack common sense and use youth soccer as a platform to fight their own petty wars.

[tripleplay]

Oh, and 3Play, I have no idea where you got your info on % of white population from, or if you invented it yourself, but the numbers are wrong.  Take a look at Franklin county.  As just one instance. 

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables08.asp

The numbers are from state tables above and are correct. However, the ones I quoted don't pull out Hispanics as a separate minority. Doing that changes the numbers, but not the general argument.
Spokane 88.7%
WA 76.17%
King 70.04%

[Soccer Wonk]

>>>3. Work with your state legislator to advocate for rewriting the state boundaries. This would ultimately involve consent of the Washington legislature and that of the neighboring state (Idaho or Oregon) to which Eastern Washington would be annexed. It would also require consent of the US Congress. Or perhaps, Eastern Washington could, with consent of the state legislature, apply for admission as the 51st state in the Union; or secede from the Union and join Canada.

Please note that option #3 might actually have the best chances for success within the career lifetime of any concerned soccer parent's Darling Kid.<<<

Works for me!

It's not going to work. See this news item:

Washington's largest winery made the world's greatest wine this year, according to Wine Spectator.

The world’s largest wine magazine revealed Friday that the No. 1 wine on its annual top 100 list was Columbia Crest’s 2005 reserve cabernet sauvignon.

Columbia Crest is in Eastern Washington's Horse Heaven Hills, right, south of Kennewick? Soccer Moms aren't going to risk having Eastern Washington secede and cut off the wine supply.

[EWSoccer64]

Oh, and 3Play, I have no idea where you got your info on % of white population from, or if you invented it yourself, but the numbers are wrong.  Take a look at Franklin county.  As just one instance. 

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables08.asp

The numbers are from state tables above and are correct. However, the ones I quoted don't pull out Hispanics as a separate minority. Doing that changes the numbers, but not the general argument.
Spokane 88.7%
WA 76.17%
King 70.04%

OK, so you do not consider Hispanics a "seperate minority" until you get called on it.   Typical of your honesty in presenting your "facts".  I notice that you did not respond about Franklin County.  Typical again.

[tripleplay]

Oh, and 3Play, I have no idea where you got your info on % of white population from, or if you invented it yourself, but the numbers are wrong.  Take a look at Franklin county.  As just one instance. 

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables08.asp

The numbers are from state tables above and are correct. However, the ones I quoted don't pull out Hispanics as a separate minority. Doing that changes the numbers, but not the general argument.
Spokane 88.7%
WA 76.17%
King 70.04%

OK, so you do not consider Hispanics a "seperate minority" until you get called on it.   Typical of your honesty in presenting your "facts".  I notice that you did not respond about Franklin County.  Typical again.

Yeah, I'm not up on EW bigot vernacular. (Your words which I won't repeat) I used the facts directly from the state office that compiled them.

[EWSoccer64]

Ah, so now anyone who considers "Hispanics" a minority is a bigot?   Boy, 3Play is truely getting desperate.

Oh, and 3Play, I have no idea where you got your info on % of white population from, or if you invented it yourself, but the numbers are wrong.  Take a look at Franklin county.  As just one instance. 

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables08.asp

The numbers are from state tables above and are correct. However, the ones I quoted don't pull out Hispanics as a separate minority. Doing that changes the numbers, but not the general argument.
Spokane 88.7%
WA 76.17%
King 70.04%

OK, so you do not consider Hispanics a "seperate minority" until you get called on it.   Typical of your honesty in presenting your "facts".  I notice that you did not respond about Franklin County.  Typical again.

Yeah, I'm not up on EW bigot vernacular. (Your words which I won't repeat) I used the facts directly from the state office that compiled them.

[tripleplay]

Ah, so now anyone who considers "Hispanics" a minority is a bigot?   Boy, 3Play is truely getting desperate.

Nice try. You didn't use the word "Hispanics". Why don't you tell us the words that you did use?

[Soccer Wonk]

		Non Minority		Minority
	Percent Total	Non Hispanic	Total	Non Hispanic	Hispanic
	Population	White Race	Minority	Non White Races	Origin	Rank
Washington		76.17	23.83	14.51	9.32	--
Franklin	100.00	36.76	63.24	3.94	59.30	1
Adams	100.00	44.23	55.77	1.68	54.10	2
Yakima	100.00	50.65	49.35	6.81	42.54	3
Grant	100.00	59.71	40.29	3.70	36.59	4
Okanogan	100.00	68.41	31.59	13.73	17.86	5
King	100.00	70.04	29.96	23.17	6.79	6
Chelan	100.00	72.08	27.92	2.85	25.07	7
Douglas	100.00	72.81	27.19	2.78	24.41	8
Pierce	100.00	73.59	26.41	19.59	6.82	9
Ferry	100.00	74.73	25.27	22.31	2.97	10
Walla Walla	100.00	74.92	25.08	5.38	19.70	11

[EWSoccer64]

Below is my post, where I specifically used the word "Hispanics".   I have no idea where 3Play gets any idea that I used any other word.  Perhaps he is off his meds again?       Or is he becoming as totally dishonest as his hero, Doc the Liar?

Oh, and 3Play, I have no idea where you got your info on % of white population from, or if you invented it yourself, but the numbers are wrong.  Take a look at Franklin county.  As just one instance. 

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/race/summarytables08.asp

The numbers are from state tables above and are correct. However, the ones I quoted don't pull out Hispanics as a separate minority. Doing that changes the numbers, but not the general argument.
Spokane 88.7%
WA 76.17%
King 70.04%

OK, so you do not consider Hispanics a "seperate minority" until you get called on it.   Typical of your honesty in presenting your "facts".  I notice that you did not respond about Franklin County.  Typical again.

[EWSoccer64]

I would have thought that Benton County would have been up there in the top ten as well.   There has been a real surge in the Hispanic population there in the last few years.

		Non Minority		Minority
	Percent Total	Non Hispanic	Total	Non Hispanic	Hispanic
	Population	White Race	Minority	Non White Races	Origin	Rank
Washington		76.17	23.83	14.51	9.32	--
Franklin	100.00	36.76	63.24	3.94	59.30	1
Adams	100.00	44.23	55.77	1.68	54.10	2
Yakima	100.00	50.65	49.35	6.81	42.54	3
Grant	100.00	59.71	40.29	3.70	36.59	4
Okanogan	100.00	68.41	31.59	13.73	17.86	5
King	100.00	70.04	29.96	23.17	6.79	6
Chelan	100.00	72.08	27.92	2.85	25.07	7
Douglas	100.00	72.81	27.19	2.78	24.41	8
Pierce	100.00	73.59	26.41	19.59	6.82	9
Ferry	100.00	74.73	25.27	22.31	2.97	10
Walla Walla	100.00	74.92	25.08	5.38	19.70	11

[Soccer Wonk]

The chart is rank-ordered by total minority population, which puts Benton just off the list. Benton is 21.86% total minorities; 16.23% Hispanic origin.

The tables list numbers for 2000 and for 2008, which show Benton's Hispanic population has surged; but all of these Eastern Washington counties have surged as well.

I would have thought that Benton County would have been up there in the top ten as well.   There has been a real surge in the Hispanic population there in the last few years.

[EWSoccer64]

Since we are on the subject - Thread Hijack - of "views held by some Pugies about Hispanics" I want to relate a story of a couple of years ago.

At a high age level, on the boys side, the Crossfire P-1 team went over to Yakima and played against my son's team.  Crossfie lost, and after the match I heard one of the fathers from Crossfire use the phrase "dirty Asapargus pickers" in reference to the Yakima Strikers.   Which just showed his ignorance, since Asapargus is more a Walla Walla area crop than Yakima area.  
      Anyway, the return match was at Marymoor.   I went out and bought a couple of pounds of Asapargus, and called the boys together for a pre-game confab.   I told them that they were not even worthy to set foot on the same field as mighty Crossfire, that they were just a bunch of "dirty asaparagus pickers".   That was not my opinion, that was what mighty Crossfire thought of them.   I punctuated my speech by throwing spears of asapargus at each and everyone of the players.   Soon they were hooping and hollering and we had a grand old asaparagus food fight, right there in the pregame.   During the match, some or our parents would wave spears of asapargus at the players on the field.   I don't remember who won the game, which was intense, but the boys still laugh about it.   No player ever told me that any of the Crossfire players ever said anything untoward to them.  (aside from the usual teenage garbage talk, of course, which is par for the course).

Now, can we return to the subject of the proposed merger of the SVJSA and the sysa?

[EWSoccer64]

Interesting numbers -  Okanagon and Ferry counties have large Indian populations, would have expected a larger Indian presence in Yakima County as well, since they have the large Yakima Indian Reservation there. 

The numbers do show, to the knowledgeable observer, the background to some of the issues that are faced in Eastern Washington.   One of the biggest is the continueing efforts to bring in Hispanic players - particularly girls and fathers to be coaches - and then keeping the male players in club ball instead of playing the local "Mexican Leagues", of which there are several in Eastern Washington.    Most immigrant families in our area come from areas where there is no youth sports ala the US system, and when a kid is lucky enough to play for a "club", it is a full-ride affair sponsored by a professional club.   Even scholarships don't work all the time, and there is a limit to how much charity that can be done.  And there are other fundamental issues with providing "free rides" to players and families. 
    Quite frankly, one of the biggest problems is with the more traditional minded immigrant families, which hate the idea of girls playing sports.  It is a cultural bias, but a very real one.  It takes alot of work to break through, but once a community has some Hispanic Female Role Models out there being successful on the pitch, it gets easier for newer members of the community to adjust, and to let their daughters play.

The chart is rank-ordered by total minority population, which puts Benton just off the list. Benton is 21.86% total minorities; 16.23% Hispanic origin.

The tables list numbers for 2000 and for 2008, which show Benton's Hispanic population has surged; but all of these Eastern Washington counties have surged as well.

I would have thought that Benton County would have been up there in the top ten as well.   There has been a real surge in the Hispanic population there in the last few years.

[EWSoccer64]

To return to the theme of this thread, no one has ever said WHY the state proclaimed the sysa "in bad standing".   Apparently, the sysa lawsuit against the state is going forward. 

Under the state bylaws, the only way that the sysa teams and clubs can continue to participate in youth soccer under the state umbrella (PDL./State league/ District/local rec) is if the teams and clubs are removed from the offending party, the sysa, and placed elsewhere.   Is this some total behind the sysa/SVJSA merger pressure coming from the state?  Or is there another ulterior motive?

[Futsal]

To return to the theme of this thread, no one has ever said WHY the state proclaimed the sysa "in bad standing".   Apparently, the sysa lawsuit against the state is going forward. 

It (bad standing) has to do with not meeting membership requirements.

Under the state bylaws, the only way that the sysa teams and clubs can continue to participate in youth soccer under the state umbrella (PDL./State league/ District/local rec) is if the teams and clubs are removed from the offending party, the sysa, and placed elsewhere.   Is this some total behind the sysa/SVJSA merger pressure coming from the state?  Or is there another ulterior motive?

That is true, an Association, Club, Team and staff need to be in good standing to participate in any sanctioned activity such as league, cup, tournaments.

However, WYS has in the past allowed teams to continue to participate while adults work things out.  When LWYSA was placed in bad standing, Crossfire and all other teams were allowed to continue their league season.  I do believe however that in the LWYSA situation that all issues were take care of (LWYSA back in good standing) before the teams had to register for State Cup play. 

But that was with a different leadership at the state level.  We never got to see whether WYS would have prevented Crossfire from registering in State Cup or allowed them to continue into a new seasonal year.

I do hope that all this does not effect the players and the adults find a way to let them play.

While reading through old SpVJSA BoD minutes, I remember a team that had a hard time affiliating with either SpVJSA or SYSA.  The District 6 Commissioner at the time said that she would register the team through the District if need be to allow them to play.  I don't remember which Association finally decided to let the team play.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>While reading through old SpVJSA BoD minutes, I remember a team that had a hard time affiliating with either SpVJSA or SYSA.  The District 6 Commissioner at the time said that she would register the team through the District if need be to allow them to play.  I don't remember which Association finally decided to let the team play.<<<

That's right, Districts can (and do) register teams themselves under extraordinary circumstances.   Perhaps the District can (perhaps threatened to, hence the lawsuit against the District?) take in entire clubs and cut out the offending middleman association. 

As you say, if adults can behave responsibly, the kids should be allowed to play without interruption.