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[HandBall]

Imagine a time in America. A man runs to become President of the United States. This man has a gift for speech. He has an ability to instill warmth and purpose into the American people. He builds a campaign around talk of hope and change for America, and a magical solving of the nation's problems. He promises to return America to days of freedom and liberty for all, that he argues have been lost because of America's flaws. Now imagine that this man is not what he appears. Whether simply a Marxist, a Socialist, or a full-blown Communist in his beliefs, he wins the election. Once in office the new president then surrounds himself with avowed Communists, Marxists, Socialists, and anti-capitalists with long records advancing anti-Free Market goals for America.

[HandBall]

I'll describe where the idea for this question came from later. It was not my idea, but a really good question.

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time in America. A man runs to become President of the United States. This man has a gift for speech. He has an ability to instill warmth and purpose into the American people. He builds a campaign around talk of hope and change for America, and a magical solving of the nation's problems. He promises to return America to days of freedom and liberty for all, that he argues have been lost because of America's flaws. Now imagine that this man is not what he appears. Whether simply a Marxist, a Socialist, or a full-blown Communist in his beliefs, he wins the election. Once in office the new president then surrounds himself with avowed Communists, Marxists, Socialists, and anti-capitalists with long records advancing anti-Free Market goals for America.

Saw this on Glens show and it was excellent- My favorite was those 3 Texas counties who opted out of Social Security and are and will be better off than ever before- Never watch Glen before till now and I am hooked

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

Imagine no parties and imagine LF becoming a centrist I doubt that people want the president to fail because failing hits us immediately. Having said that, when you see the people he surrounds himself with and some of his actions contradict his words, then we need to stand up. Succeeding is one thing, but stating comments like "power comes from the the barrel of a gun" to get things done, is not something I am sold on.
His staff look up to Mao Tse Tung? Are you kidding me?

I think I have an idea of why they are trying to increase government and transform the economy, but I wish they would be honest with us, so that we can have a say in it. Their ideals are not why my parents came to this country, so if they want to run this country like China then go for it, but be honest so that I can pack my bags. Mao did make China a powerhouse, but it wasn't after he died and policies changed that it become an economic powerhouse. They are trying to implement his system, with some modifications and hope that it works. We already know what system works, the free market, but because they don't like it, they want and have almost destroyed it.

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs ....  

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

Imagine no parties and imagine LF becoming a centrist I doubt that people want the president to fail because failing hits us immediately. Having said that, when you see the people he surrounds himself with and some of his actions contradict his words, then we need to stand up. Succeeding is one thing, but stating comments like "power comes from the the barrel of a gun" to get things done, is not something I am sold on.
His staff look up to Mao Tse Tung? Are you kidding me?

I think I have an idea of why they are trying to increase government and transform the economy, but I wish they would be honest with us, so that we can have a say in it. Their ideals are not why my parents came to this country, so if they want to run this country like China then go for it, but be honest so that I can pack my bags. Mao did make China a powerhouse, but it wasn't after he died and policies changed that it become an economic powerhouse. They are trying to implement his system, with some modifications and hope that it works. We already know what system works, the free market, but because they don't like it, they want and have almost destroyed it.

Ok, Beck and RL have done their jobs. A real good job I might add.

It is sad that you focus so much on the pols. The fact is that the system has been hijacked by large multi-national corporations that do not give one hoot about you are America. They paid dems and reps to deregulate them and crashed the world economy. Follow the money and quit giving the ratings to the hate mongers. Campaign finance reform now!

Or you can keep on wringing your hands about the marxist Obama, or the nazi Bush while filling up your car at an Exxon station and sending your kids to defend a foreign policy wrought by oil company lobbyists.

Oh, yeah. And please forget the 40k or so folks a year, including kids, who die because they can't get health insurance. The health insurance industry is working very hard to make you forget and they are VERY VERY good at it.

Keep on watching!

Added: And as for me becoming a centrist. DOn't want to be one, or a leftist or a ..... rightist. Am a realist though.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>It is sad that you focus so much on the pols. The fact is that the system has been hijacked by large multi-national corporations that do not give one hoot about you are America. They paid dems and reps to deregulate them and crashed the world economy. Follow the money and quit giving the ratings to the hate mongers. Campaign finance reform now!
<<<

George Soros is the biggest political spending billionaire ever.   His backing of the far left loonies - and not just through his vehicle of MoveOn.org but also other vehicles and directly - is designed to crash the US economy and destroy the US dollar. 

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

Imagine no parties and imagine LF becoming a centrist I doubt that people want the president to fail because failing hits us immediately. Having said that, when you see the people he surrounds himself with and some of his actions contradict his words, then we need to stand up. Succeeding is one thing, but stating comments like "power comes from the the barrel of a gun" to get things done, is not something I am sold on.
His staff look up to Mao Tse Tung? Are you kidding me?

I think I have an idea of why they are trying to increase government and transform the economy, but I wish they would be honest with us, so that we can have a say in it. Their ideals are not why my parents came to this country, so if they want to run this country like China then go for it, but be honest so that I can pack my bags. Mao did make China a powerhouse, but it wasn't after he died and policies changed that it become an economic powerhouse. They are trying to implement his system, with some modifications and hope that it works. We already know what system works, the free market, but because they don't like it, they want and have almost destroyed it.

Ok, Beck and RL have done their jobs. A real good job I might add.

It is sad that you focus so much on the pols. The fact is that the system has been hijacked by large multi-national corporations that do not give one hoot about you are America. They paid dems and reps to deregulate them and crashed the world economy. Follow the money and quit giving the ratings to the hate mongers. Campaign finance reform now!

Or you can keep on wringing your hands about the marxist Obama, or the nazi Bush while filling up your car at an Exxon station and sending your kids to defend a foreign policy wrought by oil company lobbyists.

Oh, yeah. And please forget the 40k or so folks a year, including kids, who die because they can't get health insurance. The health insurance industry is working very hard to make you forget and they are VERY VERY good at it.

Keep on watching!

Who said I got this from Beck and please I don't listen to Rush eeeehhh? I came up with that theory all by myself and the words about Mao came from the Obamanites mouths, so not sure how you can dispute it. Anyway, if doesn't bother you that we are headed this way, then no need to worry about it, just keep on truckin.

40K people die because they don't have health insurance? You need to understand the healthcare business more before you accuse the insurance industry of killing people. The Leftist have done their job

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>Oh, yeah. And please forget the 40k or so folks a year, including kids, who die because they can't get health insurance. The health insurance industry is working very hard to make you forget and they are VERY VERY good at it.<<<<

Another bogus, specious claim designed to stampede America into approving government run health care for everyone (Except Congress).

[Left Foot]

>>>>Oh, yeah. And please forget the 40k or so folks a year, including kids, who die because they can't get health insurance. The health insurance industry is working very hard to make you forget and they are VERY VERY good at it.<<<<

Another bogus, specious claim designed to stampede America into approving government run health care for everyone (Except Congress).

Excellent, we have made headway. Given the choice, you didn't dispute the Exxon claim. Good for you!

So what if its just 20,000 - or 10,000?

[Trackside14]

Goldengoal- I thought I would help you out so I googled Anita Dunn who is the white house communications director.  This article includes the clip where she is giving a high school graduation speech and says Mao is one of her two favorite political philosophers.  Video does not lie.  How can Mao be your favorite anything?  People can accuse other people of anything but you can't argue with video, audio, or the written word.  Look these people up for yourself and read, see, and listen to what they have said and then make up your mind.  Do not blindly follow anyone.  Question with boldness.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/10/15/anita-dunn-a-corruptocrat-flack-and-a-mao-cheerleader/

[Trackside14]

Where is the factual evidence that 40k people a year die from lack of health insurance?  Because the hospitals have to treat you for free.  It is the law and the reason I was charged 24,000 dollars for my daughter's one hour hip surgery in April.  The hospitals overcharge everyone else to make up for what they have to do for free.  There are free public clinics you can go to if you are sick.  I think one problem is not enough advertising to help make everyone aware of what is available.  I think we should have an open and honest debate about socialism/marxism vs capitalism.  With regards to this debate and health care, socialism offers one option and capitalism offers lots of options.  If we were to change some anti-trust laws so we could buy health insurance across state lines, it would open up hundreds of choices and increase the competition greatly.  The best thing about this is it would not cost us anything at a time when we are broke as a nation.  It is not logical to say adding one of something(the public option) is going to be more competitive than offering hundreds of something.(being able to choose any health insurance program in the country.  That would be like saying adding one more team to the PDL is going to make it more competitive than adding 30 more teams.  To say that there are many in our government that are socialist leaning and favor a more marxist policy is not a secret.  I have heard the President say on more than one occasion that he is favor of redistribution of wealth.(Marx-from each according to his ability to each according to their need)  He said it before the election and clearly he has put people in his administration that reflect his views which is what all Presidents do.  What I don't like though, is bills not being read before they are signed and not having more public debate.  I do not think we should have socialism shoved down our throats or be "dragged to it" as I heard Bill Maher say.  I just wish the President and the congress would be honest and say,"Look, we want to try socialized medicine because we think it will work better." Or "We think China has a better way of doing business so let's look at that."  Then we can have a debate. Honesty is probably too much to hope for.

[HandBall]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>Oh, yeah. And please forget the 40k or so folks a year, including kids, who die because they can't get health insurance. The health insurance industry is working very hard to make you forget and they are VERY VERY good at it.<<<<

Another bogus, specious claim designed to stampede America into approving government run health care for everyone (Except Congress).

Excellent, we have made headway. Given the choice, you didn't dispute the Exxon claim. Good for you!

So what if its just 20,000 - or 10,000?

For the sake of arguement, let's say that the mortatily rate of people was 20% higher for the uninsured than the insured with the same life style, health and everything else.   Let's say that amounted to 10,000 extra deaths per year.   Just as a number to use, no one has any idea what the accurate figure is.

If we spent $200 billion extra in government money every year to insure "everybody" - and no plan currently considered will do so - will it save a net 10,000 a year?   The answer is no.
The money being pulled out of the economy and the other various costs will have all sorts of negative costs on everyone -
1)  People will buy cheaper cars.  That will drive up the number of automotive deaths, which currently amount to about 50,000 a year, the last I checked.
2)  The poor will have less money for food.   
3)  The more well off will have less to invest, further depressing the economy and limiting opportunity and jobs.
4)  Higher quality health professionals will migrate out of the system and in some cases out of the country.  (Look at the effects of the NHS for the flight of highly qualified UK doctors out of Britain.)   That will lead to more deaths among the populance.
5)  Reduced investment in the entire health care and medicine field because of reduced possibility of good returns.   That will limit the development of new techniques and of new drugs.  More lives lost.
6) Reduced economic growth, reduced jobs, reduced tax base, further slippage by the US vis a vis the rest of the world.
7) Further deterioration of the USA into a "Nanny State", further reliance upon the almighty govenrment instead of taking personal responsibility.

etc. etc. etc.


Would the consequences mean that more than the fictional 10,000 ended up dieing each year?   We already know that the more affluent a society is, the longer the average lifespan.  So it is a very valid question.    Yet, in the rush to impose an enormous government run health care system, no one has studied the consequences.

So many thought that the cash for klunkers deal was great.  Now it turns out the the increased sales cost the government (meaning every American citizen) $24,000 per extra vehicle sold.   At that price, only the auto unions could support that program.

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

Oh, yes, by all means get rid of government. We can finally do away with all of those child labor laws and that environmental protection crap.

Gotta go! They have a sale on at the Nike store where I can buy some shoes made by underpaid kids who live where they really know how to do business! Down with Democracy, up with Exxon I say. 

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

Oh, yes, by all means get rid of government. We can finally do away with all of those child labor laws and that environmental protection crap.

Gotta go! They have a sale on at the Nike store where I can buy some shoes made by underpaid kids who live where they really know how to do business! Down with Democracy, up with Exxon I say. 

oh please- if this is why you want government, then I am done with you- Like we are all okay with child labor, although in a tough economy everyone has to work.

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

Oh, yes, by all means get rid of government. We can finally do away with all of those child labor laws and that environmental protection crap.

Gotta go! They have a sale on at the Nike store where I can buy some shoes made by underpaid kids who live where they really know how to do business! Down with Democracy, up with Exxon I say. 

oh please- if this is why you want government, then I am done with you- Like we are all okay with child labor, although in a tough economy everyone has to work.

Sorry, I thought you said you wanted to get rid of government. If you think that multi-nationals will refrain from working kids to death on their own, or because you don't like it in the absence of govt. regulation then please, I have some land in Florida to sell you.

[goldengoal]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

Oh, yes, by all means get rid of government. We can finally do away with all of those child labor laws and that environmental protection crap.

Gotta go! They have a sale on at the Nike store where I can buy some shoes made by underpaid kids who live where they really know how to do business! Down with Democracy, up with Exxon I say. 

oh please- if this is why you want government, then I am done with you- Like we are all okay with child labor, although in a tough economy everyone has to work.

Sorry, I thought you said you wanted to get rid of government. If you think that multi-nationals will refrain from working kids to death on their own, or because you don't like it in the absence of govt. regulation then please, I have some land in Florida to sell you.

so is this the only reason you want government? If we have a limited government that helps us enforce laws that to prevent kids from working, you will join our cause? Come on over to the center and lets work together

[Left Foot]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

Oh, yes, by all means get rid of government. We can finally do away with all of those child labor laws and that environmental protection crap.

Gotta go! They have a sale on at the Nike store where I can buy some shoes made by underpaid kids who live where they really know how to do business! Down with Democracy, up with Exxon I say. 

oh please- if this is why you want government, then I am done with you- Like we are all okay with child labor, although in a tough economy everyone has to work.

Sorry, I thought you said you wanted to get rid of government. If you think that multi-nationals will refrain from working kids to death on their own, or because you don't like it in the absence of govt. regulation then please, I have some land in Florida to sell you.

so is this the only reason you want government? If we have a limited government that helps us enforce laws that to prevent kids from working, you will join our cause? Come on over to the center and lets work together

Sorry, sounds like the "center" is where folks sit around twiddling their thumbs and calling each other fascists and marxists while the multi-nationals make policy in this country that gut you, your kids and the country. I'd rather be in the realist section.....

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>Sorry, sounds like the "center" is where folks sit around twiddling their thumbs and calling each other fascists and marxists while the multi-nationals make policy in this country that gut you, your kids and the country. I'd rather be in the realist section..... <<<

Nah, it is not the multi-nationals, it is George Soros.  Just follow the money.

[Left Foot]

>>>>Sorry, sounds like the "center" is where folks sit around twiddling their thumbs and calling each other fascists and marxists while the multi-nationals make policy in this country that gut you, your kids and the country. I'd rather be in the realist section..... <<<

Nah, it is not the multi-nationals, it is George Soros.  Just follow the money.

Well, at least you seem to agree that one should at least consider following the money. 

[EWSoccer64]

I have been following the money (the George Soros trial) for years.   Even while I bleat about it, I want to try to figure out when he is going to manuever things into the final collapse of the dollar.   I want to mirror his positions and make as much money as possible, just like him.
The thing is, I am trying  to tell everyone what I believe he is doing, why he bank-rolled Obama (because he thinks Obama will crash the US dollar), trying to inform enough people so that something can be done to stop him.   If he is not stopped, then why should anyone not profit from his immoral actions?

[2 CENTS]

Imagine a time when members of the party that lost a presidential election didn't see the need to vilify the winner as a Marxist (if a Dem) or a Nazi (if a rep) to feel ok. Imagine a time when folks actually hoped that the president succeeded. Shoot, but if that were the case, how would the Becks and Oberman's make tons of money off of you wack jobs .... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

People can allege all sorts of things. By the same token, people can dismiss the ranting of ignorant people who choose to ignore what is being presented to them.

Calling people names like "wack jobs" is so easy. It's far easier to dismiss criticism, facts or truth than rebuttal, especially when so much overwhelming evidence has been presented. But of course you'd have to allow yourself to hear the evidence. But then pride and arrogance comes into play, where millions of Americans are so determined to protect their egos, that they'd attack those who simply want to preserve our Constitutional Republic, our Freedom, and our Liberty - including for those who so idiotically align themselves with the radicals that would destroy America.

Don't you get it? There is so much more at stake here than ego. The futures of our children are literally at stake. Wake up!

The general level of debate on here consists of accusing folks of being Marxist, Communist etc and folks who disagree with that stance as ignorant or un-american or egotistical. Seems to me that "wack job" or maybe "lunatic fringe" fits in nicely. (Although EW often rises above this on many occasions.)

Please, stop parroting the Becks, Olbermans and Limbaughs who are nothing but fear mongering hucksters, cynically wrapping themselves in the American flag and preying on your own fears and prejudices to make a quick buck. They care absolutely nothing about you, your kids or anything but coming up with some schtick to generate page views or tv ratings.

Now, pull the curtain back, throw away your ridiculous reps vs. dems ideological b.s. and FOLLOW THE MONEY to the real problem. Unless, and until we decouple policy making through some form of campaign finance reform, completely amoral multi-national corps are going to continue to shape policies inimical to the interests of America and you and yours in the name of short term profits. Of course, you don't hear much about this from the hucksters because that is who pays the advertising dollars to the cynical liars you listen to all day as you collect your rations and clean your guns.

Ok, carry on with your blah blah blah Obama's a marxist, blah blah blah America and apple pie blah blah blah we are all gonna' die cause of the reps or the dems. It is absolutely what the big guys pay big bucks to get you to do. Lube up though, because they are going to continue to get theirs.

See there, I'm a bigger lunatic than you are. 

How big is our debt? I wonder if the Becks & O'riley's make the billions/trillion that we paid for on the stimulus and the billions that we will pay for on healthcare? Hmmm- yep I guess the 1 dollar these guys get from me to help me get rid of government is a good ROI

How big was our debt 9 months ago? How big was our debt 9 years ago?
K street has to go or nothing will change.

[naughtysporty]

Stop fighting or we'll come back to WA state and buy our house on the cheap!

Life really is better on top.

LOL - TTR / NS

Oh Canada - we stand on guard for thee....................