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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2010, 11:33:55 AM »

>>>Still looking for my Netherlands report EW. <<<

The Netherlands are a team that is actually much like Spain.   Historically, they have always underachieved like Spain despite having awesome talent.

It looks like they are finally getting fully healthy.

A great attacking side, can possess the ball on the level of Spain but they understand that the purpose of the game is to score, something that Spain has trouble with.    Attacking options-wise, they seem to be as deep as Brasil and deeper than Argentina or Spain.   But the Dutch as suspect at the back, their defenders are not the fastest, can show fatigue, and are prone to being caught up field on the attack.
Historically, the team can be less than united, can go to war with their own coach, and can mentally screw up.    If they keep their focus, there is not a team they cannot beat in South Africa.
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« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2010, 11:37:49 AM »

Bye, bye Italian Pie.   
Slovakia drove to the goal and Italy went dry.
The good ole mafia boys were drinking chianiti and paisano
This was the day that Italian hopes died.......
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2010, 06:07:18 PM »

It seems like the round of 16 is really taking shape.  Anyone have ideas about any last minute upsets?
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2010, 01:23:59 AM »

Osama bin Laden has just released a new TV message to prove he is still alive. He said that the England Team performance on Saturday was completely shit. British intelligence have dismissed the claim, stating that the message could have been recorded anytime in the last 44 years.
Germany will crush them!
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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2010, 03:35:17 PM »

Well Spain and Chile, realizing that each had the result that they needed, decided to pass the ball around for the last twenty minutes.   Sad.

Spain still is not looking as sharp as they need to be.   Letting Chile get that goal right after halftime is telling.   Portugal has a real shot at sending them home.

Chile, if they can control their card issues - and the guy that was sent off today deserved to see the showers even earlier - could surprise a less than dominating Brasil squad.     If it was not for Drugadona as coach, I would say that Argentina is the safest lock in the round of 16.    FIFA should have drug testing for coaches as well as players.  I am sure the AFA would be very much in favor of it!
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« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2010, 04:25:17 PM »

That hurt.   Much more disappointing than in 2006. 

Starting Clark was a mistake.   Twice now he has been at least partially at fault for goals in the first five minutes of the game.   Then he picks up a stupid yellow, that really diminished his defensive capabilities.  (WHAT defensive capabilities?, I can hear some people wonder.......)   Ricardo Clark is the Jeff Agoos of this World Cup. 
Altidore was useless the entire WC.   Teams like Ghana and England and Slovenia are not like Honduras, Panama, or Canada.  You have to have some skill to score.  Or at least luck.   
Findley?   Both he and Bob Bradley discovered that the WC is not like the MLS.
Bradley made the right subs, but too late.   And he had the wrong line up to begin with.

Free Kicks  - The US did not score on any DFK, IDFK, or Corner, did they?   Not well done by coach or players.

One cannot help but wonder how a healthy, in form Gooch would have helped the team.   The central defense was not good this game.  Again.

On the bright side, Dempsey finally made a believer out of me.  Donovan was expected to do more.  Michael Bradley was also expected to do more.    But these 3 stood held and shoulders above the rest of the field players.

Players to retire soon - Bocanegra, Cherondulo, Beasley, DeMerit.  I think that Donovan and Dempsey might stick around, but they could find more employment if they announced their retirement from International Play.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2010, 09:28:28 PM »

It's time for the USA to expect more than qualifying and getting out of group. I lay todays defeat directly  in the hands of bob Bradley. The line up changes he made were inexcusable and complete failures. He gave away the first half of the game and it cost the us dearly. I feel very bad for Dempsey who was the class of the USA today , Donovan who has carried this team for years and fielhaber who is among the best 11 the us has and was denied by a bonehead coach.  This was a total brain freeze by the USA coaching staff. Time to hire a head coach with deep international experience for the next cup run.

This is a big bummer because the usa got a very good draw, had things lined up to possibly make a deep cup run and got it their own way. It's not often things line up that way. I thought we were the slightly better squad in the 2nd half, but winners convert chances and we did not do that today. At least it didn't come down to a refs decision.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2010, 11:13:17 PM »

EW--okay, so that was like you were channeling every exact thought I had. Glad it wasn't just me that thought starting Clark was a mistake! I agreed with your total analysis. When I saw the line up, I thought, "uh-oh." But add to that it took away the opportunity for another sub just to take him out of the game. I actually thought Donovan did as well as I've seen him do in a WC. But this is the bottom line--our pro play doesn't prepare many of our players for this level of play. Sigh--oh well!

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2010, 06:32:04 AM »

Gruesse aus Deutschland!  Watched the US game with 3,000 other fans at a 'public viewing' here in Stuttgart.  Klinsman was the analyst for the channel the game was on here in Germany.  First off, his pro-US prejudice was noticable!  Can US soccer PLEASE swallow it's pride and hire this man as our next national team coach!  When your read about what he wanted to accomplish with the German team at the 2006 WC, it was so much more than just compete in the WC.  He could do the same for US soccer - put together a good WC squad but do so much more to promote the US and soccer in the US.  As to his description of the game, he too wondered about the line up, though applauded Bradley for how he handled the situation when he had to remove Clark at the 30 minute mark.  He also felt that not having Davies really impacted what Altidore could do.  Did criticize Altidor for dribbing too much since that isn't his strength.  He was disappointed by the US's showing in the first half, applauded them for their work in the second half.  Questioned putting Gomez in for Altidore and then playing long balls to Gomez because he thought Gomez was better with the ball at his feet, Altidore better at holding a long pass.   He also wondered if the US chose this style of play after the early overtime goal simply because they didn't have the energy left to build play after two difficult 90 minute games in the sam week.  In the end he said it came down to Ghana taking advantage of their chances and the US failing to take advantage of theirs.  He does like what he sees as the basis for the 2014 US squad:  Bradley, Altidore, Donovan, Howard, Gomez, Feilhaber, Dempsey, a heathy Davies and Gooch, but did note the major reworking that has to be done in the back 4 of the US.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2010, 07:56:58 AM »

My German friends are asking me why there doesn't seem to be much discussion in the US press about getting a different national team coach.  Their perception is that the US team underperformed and when that happens over here, heads will roll - unless you're the French coach, i.e., failure in EC did not lead to his being removed before the WC.  So, is there talk of change or are we simply a different soccer culture?
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« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2010, 09:10:49 AM »

Gruesse aus Deutschland!  Watched the US game with 3,000 other fans at a 'public viewing' here in Stuttgart.  Klinsman was the analyst for the channel the game was on here in Germany.  First off, his pro-US prejudice was noticable!  Can US soccer PLEASE swallow it's pride and hire this man as our next national team coach!  When your read about what he wanted to accomplish with the German team at the 2006 WC, it was so much more than just compete in the WC.  He could do the same for US soccer - put together a good WC squad but do so much more to promote the US and soccer in the US.  As to his description of the game, he too wondered about the line up, though applauded Bradley for how he handled the situation when he had to remove Clark at the 30 minute mark.  He also felt that not having Davies really impacted what Altidore could do.  Did criticize Altidor for dribbing too much since that isn't his strength.  He was disappointed by the US's showing in the first half, applauded them for their work in the second half.  Questioned putting Gomez in for Altidore and then playing long balls to Gomez because he thought Gomez was better with the ball at his feet, Altidore better at holding a long pass.   He also wondered if the US chose this style of play after the early overtime goal simply because they didn't have the energy left to build play after two difficult 90 minute games in the sam week.  In the end he said it came down to Ghana taking advantage of their chances and the US failing to take advantage of theirs.  He does like what he sees as the basis for the 2014 US squad:  Bradley, Altidore, Donovan, Howard, Gomez, Feilhaber, Dempsey, a heathy Davies and Gooch, but did note the major reworking that has to be done in the back 4 of the US.

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« Reply #103 on: June 29, 2010, 02:34:27 AM »

I am not sure about Klinsman.  He has his bright spots, but he is really rather inexperienced in coaching, only a couple of years of experience.    On the other hand, Coaches with fabulous resumes and decades of experience have shown that they were failures - Dommenech of France, Don Fabio of England, Lippi? of Italy, and Quirez of Portugal have not impressed.    One thing for certain, Klinsman would be a good spokesman, a good face, for the US team, and he has some unconventional ideas.   I certainly do not have a better suggestion at this point.  (Huddink?  Van Gaal?).   But I am coming to the conclusion that it would be best if Bob Bradley went elsewhere.   All in all, he did a decent job and deserves our thanks, overall.   But he did not produce the results when it counted, and he failed as a coach in set pieces, in team preparation, and in line ups/player selection (Ricardo Clark was this years Jeff Aggos).   


In terms of the US team, I think that the key point of failure was not the defense, but the forwards.    We gave up 1.25 goals per game, which is too many, of course, but a goal a game is good enough for a decent team to move forward.  (as an aside, I really like the Omar Gonzalez kid at LA.   He may well be the next Gooch.   Imagine him in a couple of years at central D with a healthy Gooch!!!!).   We have some options coming up on defense, but I fail to see them at forward.  With youngsters like Torres and Fielhaber coming up in the midfield, perhaps our best bet is to keep Dempsey and Donovan and pair them at Forward?   Call it the D-n-D Offensive, it would be almost like dynamite???  No, I was not convinced by either Altidore or by Davies earlier.   Let's see them preform against quality teams, not against Panama or Belize!

The other option is to move Dempsey and slot Donovan into the Center Mid, and slide Bradley back to the holding/defensive center mid slot.

One thing that this WC has shown is that young has its place, (and speed kills!).   Getting younger in the midfield and in defense would in and of itself be a good thing.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2010, 02:23:28 AM »

Spain vs Portugal.

Portugal really is not as good as its recent reputation.   Perhaps Spain is not either. 
Portugal were able to create some chances on the counter.  Spain - perhaps due to the negative impact of Torres -  where unable to do much in the first half of the game on the attack.

Both Germany and Holland seem to be viable contenders at this point.  I do not add Argentina to that pair just because of Drugadona's influence.   

Does the Spanish victory over Portugal - which Brasil did not score against but did not need to - but Spain on par with Brasil?
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« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2010, 04:22:47 PM »

Klinsman was already asked about coaching the U.S. side and refused.

I think the selection of Gomez and Torres was not very good.  Unknown players to a team that has worked together for the past four years.  On the other hand, Buddle is in the same boat but seemed to have the hot hand lately.

I don't like changing the team when we get to the World Cup.  It has proved a miserable failure for the past 12 years.  You dance with the girl who brought you there!

I do think Bradley has been more consistent than the past to National Team coaches we've had (Arena and Sampson), so Kudos to him for keeping a good team in tact.

Dempsey and Donovan may be too old for the next World Cup.  This is a young man's game!  Witness Italy and France.  You need experience, but passion is often what it takes to win.

We did well but fell short.  Get in line, everybody.  It happens to the best of teams.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #106 on: July 02, 2010, 11:41:47 AM »

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #107 on: July 02, 2010, 05:10:34 PM »

Squash kicked everyone's butt in the round of 16 and is looking like doing it again in the quarterfinals.   I am still in 3rd, three points back............. :P
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« Reply #108 on: July 02, 2010, 05:34:08 PM »

Squash kicked everyone's butt in the round of 16 and is looking like doing it again in the quarterfinals.   I am still in 3rd, three points back............. :P

I am 10 for 10 and unlike most did not pick the US and then in the quarters did not pick Brazil. After the fatal error to start the game, Holland proved that this may very well be their year. Aside from Robenflopper, I was pretty happy with the dutch sides play, especially the second half. Although i felt like in the last ten minutes they could have and should have added 2 more and buried Brazil just for fun....haha

I went to the Rover in Kirkland  this am for the game and I'm not joking when i say it was an all Holland crowd......all orange with only 1 brazil uniform i noticed in the place. It was fun to be surrounded by fans of the sport even if a few had funny hats on.
 

The game after was actually amazing how it ended..... if some of you did not see the end of the game you should watch the replay here... If any of you did not know most of the games besides abc games can be watch online.  :drinks:
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« Reply #109 on: July 04, 2010, 02:00:10 AM »

Squash, does your girlfriend know that you posted her pic on the website?    :D
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« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2010, 12:48:43 PM »

Apparently the Germans are giving much of the credit to the current form of the German team to Klinsman.  If they are correct, then perhaps he should become the new coach for the USA.   At this point, I think that Bradley will not be returning, although I do not see him going to England to coach.   Didn't Sampson coach a club in Central America for a season after his tenure as US coach and before his brief spell at Costa Rica?

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JOHANNESBURG — When Germany reached the final of the 2008 European Championships in Austria under new coach Joachim Loew, federation head Theo Zwanziger invited a most unusual guest to watch the game with him from the VIP box: the team’s former coach.

Juergen Klinsmann had coached Die Mannschaft, as Germany’s national team is known, during the 2006 World Cup and for two rather tumultuous years before it, then returned to his oceanfront home in Newport Beach and a life of anonymity in America. He had made it a point, as is customary for ex-coaches, to stay away from Germany’s games since.

“Juergen Klinsmann has played an enormous part in the development of this team,” explained Zwanziger, himself once one of Klinsmann’s most vocal critics. “It is also his final.”

And there you have it. As you watch Loew and Die Mannschaft roll through this World Cup and face Spain in the semifinals today, marvel at their fast, energetic, modern brand of soccer that brought mighty England and Argentina to their knees by a combined 8-1. But also know this: The architect of what you’re watching has lived in Southern California for more than a decade, a half-hour drive from the U.S. Soccer’s national training center, and is currently unemployed as a coach.

And the U.S. national team, most likely, will be hiring soon.

Technically, Bob Bradley has a contract through the end of the year. But World Cup coaches rarely last into a second cycle (only two of the 32 in this World Cup were around in 2006 as well), and Bradley and U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati sound like men prepared to amicably part ways when they meet in the coming weeks.

Bradley has talked about pursuing “new challenges” amid reports that he is a candidate for the vacancy at English club Fulham. And Gulati talks about the national team reaching the next level with a fresh perspective.

Klinsmann, 45, nearly became the coach four years ago, but egos got in the way. Whether Gulati wouldn’t give into Klinsmann’s demands, or Klinsmann refused to compromise on Gulati’s stipulations, or both, the bottom line is the deal didn’t get done and Bradley was the default candidate after serving as interim coach.

Second chances don’t come around often in sports. Gulati, by all appearances, is about to get one.

These are Klinsmann’s impressive credentials — played for major clubs in Germany, France, Italy and England; won a World Cup in 1990; coached in a World Cup and reached the semis in his first job; helped out Bruce Arena with the U.S. team behind the scenes in the mid-2000s; speaks English and Spanish; worked as an ABC/ESPN commentator during this World Cup, and possesses a keen insight into the idiosyncrasies of American soccer and its unorthodox development system.

But it is what Germany has done in South Africa, and how, that might be the most compelling motive.

Klinsmann took over Germany after its calamitous performance 2004 European Championships, where it didn’t win a game and suffered the ignominy of tying Latvia 0-0. He instantly changed the team’s climate — employing a sports psychologist; junking the sweeper system of Franz Beckenbauer fame for a flat-four defense; cutting several veteran players; bringing in fitness trainers from Arizona; using coaching philosophies culled from his time studying U.S. professional sports; introducing an innovative style with attackers flying down the field in numbers out of a 4-2-3-1 formation.

“We need to question every single ritual and habit,” Klinsmann said.

There were growing pains, and Klinsmann nearly was dismissed before the 2006 World Cup amid a chorus of critics who resisted change. But Klinsmann and Germany acquitted themselves well in 2006, reaching the semifinals before losing to eventual champion Italy.

Loew, Klinsmann’s lead assistant and the tactical brains behind the operation, was named as his successor and led Die Mannschaft to the Euro 2008 final, losing to Spain. The current German team is equally young and relentless, with an average age of under 25. It dropped four goals on Australia, four more on England, four more on Argentina; its 13 total leads the World Cup.

“Our philosophy was to play a fast-paced, attacking style of soccer,” Klinsmann recently told England’s Daily Mail newspaper. “That’s what we introduced to the German team. ... It’s a process that has taken Germany six years to learn to play.

“The players have now grown into it, and Joachim is continuing that.”

It is a style you’d think would suit American soccer attributes: fit, athletic, hungry players who work well as a team and never give up. It also might be the direction that international soccer is headed. And Klinsmann is currently unemployed as a coach, and U.S. Soccer likely will be hiring soon.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2010, 03:31:05 PM »

SPAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A nice goal by Puyol.   Spain had a couple of brekaways late that they really, really, really should have converted.   A nice clean game by both teams.   That match was a good one.
Interesting to note that the top two teams in the Cup are the two that have emphasized ball control and attacking.    Germany was a real treat this WC, and I expect them to win the Third place match 3-1.  (Forlan gets another).


Final -Spain 3-2 Netherlands. (1-1 at half).
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« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2010, 04:56:47 PM »

It is most enjoyable to watch Spain play the game.

Question for all you soccer historians out there: Has the U.S. EVER had a coach that either played on a WC winning side or coached a winning side in the WC before he began coaching for the U.S.?
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« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2010, 04:59:16 PM »

It is most enjoyable to watch Spain play the game.

Question for all you soccer historians out there: Has the U.S. EVER had a coach that either played on a WC winning side or coached a winning side in the WC before he began coaching for the U.S.?

No.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2010, 05:02:33 PM »

It is most enjoyable to watch Spain play the game.

Question for all you soccer historians out there: Has the U.S. EVER had a coach that either played on a WC winning side or coached a winning side in the WC before he began coaching for the U.S.?

No.

So, we are not only trying to train players to win at the highest level, but also coaches. I say we go after someone to coach the US that doesn't require as much on the job training.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2010, 05:05:41 PM »

It is most enjoyable to watch Spain play the game.

Question for all you soccer historians out there: Has the U.S. EVER had a coach that either played on a WC winning side or coached a winning side in the WC before he began coaching for the U.S.?

No.

So, we are not only trying to train players to win at the highest level, but also coaches. I say we go after someone to coach the US that doesn't require as much on the job training.



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They were not really even professional players.   Of course, there are many coaches out there who were not pro or national team players.  And there are those like Dunga and Klinsman who never coached before heading up their national teams as coaches.  But just as college is not a training ground for international level (men) players, it is also not the breeding ground for national team coaches.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2010, 05:14:08 PM »

It is most enjoyable to watch Spain play the game.

Question for all you soccer historians out there: Has the U.S. EVER had a coach that either played on a WC winning side or coached a winning side in the WC before he began coaching for the U.S.?

No.

So, is it a political thing where we must select someone from the U.S.? .

So, we are not only trying to train players to win at the highest level, but also coaches. I say we go after someone to coach the US that doesn't require as much on the job training.



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They were not really even professional players.   Of course, there are many coaches out there who were not pro or national team players.  And there are those like Dunga and Klinsman who never coached before heading up their national teams as coaches.  But just as college is not a training ground for international level (men) players, it is also not the breeding ground for national team coaches.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #117 on: July 08, 2010, 02:08:24 PM »

remark made by the German commentator during the game last night:  Tonight Germany is playing soccer the way my grandmother knits a sweater!
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« Reply #118 on: July 08, 2010, 02:47:48 PM »

I did not think that Germany played poorly at all.   They played with respect for the abilities of Spain, but did try to counter, and were not afraid to push numbers up at time.
Apparently I am in a minority in my opinions, though. ???
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010 NEWS
« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2010, 05:16:05 PM »

I did not think that Germany played poorly at all.   They played with respect for the abilities of Spain, but did try to counter, and were not afraid to push numbers up at time.
Apparently I am in a minority in my opinions, though. ???

i felt like they respected Spain too much..... i saw other teams half as good as Germany in earlier games play Spain way tougher and way better. In fact they could have easily lost their quarter final game IMO
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