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[Islander]

Clubs are on the move.  With the PDL merging with the State and just general shifting of clubs change is in the Air.
So here is what we see happening or could be happening, not rumors just facts:

Evergreen is merging with Washington Rush
Emerald City is in a dog fight with Seattle United
Washington Premier FC and Harbor are two PDL clubs in the same association and something has to change.

More??

[Doodlebug]

Things seem to be in flux in the Vancouver and Spokane areas, too.

[west side]

change.

what's the first weekend tryouts can be this year?

[Rock27]

No sooner than 5 days after the last state cup. 

[mhall]

The Puyallup area is going to probably see some changes this coming year as well.  There have been talks for at least a year about merging South Hill, Graham-Kapowsin and some talks with Franklin Pierce.  Although I heard Franklin Pierce doesn't seem interested.  I was slightly corrected.  I guess there is interest from Franklin Pierce!

[corncobb]

I see some changes for Snoh. new DOC, i hope he can clean house ,because some cleaning needs to be done And iam talking some coaching changes, u14 and up And i hope he can get Snoh. out from under the door mat ,and open the doors a little bit and stop acting like a feeder  club to there Snoh Schools. Snoh needs to get back in it ,to stay on top. Maybe they need to partner up with Evergreen they need to get bigger and better to stay at this level.In time there will be no one to partner with ,they will be the small club. After all having a partner not so bad.Bigger allways better.

[Redkard]

What makes people thing that thing have to change?

The plan or whatever we want to call it has a three year window (the earliest time that the question could even asked about the two heavyweights in my neck of the woods).  What say we let three years pass by before we talk about things that must happen.

If funny with all the speculation about what other clubs, associations might merger, join forces or whatever term we want to use. 

Why not just ask the powers at be with respective clubs or associations on what there future might hold.

Food for thought; why would any club or association make a decision to do anything right now until we all see the final version of what the state has in store for us anyway?

Personally I don't believe there will be enough time for any club/association to merge (by getting their governing documents) in order prior to the start of the 2010 season.

Here's how it might happen:

(1) Plan announced by state for the 2010 season.

(2) the soccer community is in a uproar (some happy with the plan, some not, while others don't care as long as kids still get to kick a ball around).

(3) some soccer clubs/associations may chose to join forces (merge) in preperation for year two of the plan (2011 season) as they react to the 2010 season.

The point I'm making is why can we not wait until we here what the final plan is.  At this time I don't believe that the state is even close to knowing what the final version the plan might be.  Thus I won't be surprise if the plan that we are all so worried about doesn't come into effect until the 2011 season.

[mhall]

I like the part of letting the kids just kick the ball around!  Simpicity!

Absolutely right about waiting until the state decides what they are going to do!

[Islander]

That's why I created a new thread for just the FACTS and no Rumors.  There are mergers taking place.  There are teams fading off into the sunset.  There are PDL clubs being phased out of their respective associations.  So again, who and when.  No Rumors just FACTS please.

[Redkard]

That is the point I'm trying to make.

Rumors & Facts: 

#1 there is a proposed plan to revamp "only the top level of youth soccer" (could happen in 2010, I believe no sooner than 2011)

#2 people are worried about the consolodation of clubs and the potential demise of districts (some clubs may consolodate after the initial top level plan is introduced) (the demise of districts and or associations won't even be addressed until the next phase of the plan is introduced)

#3 are clubs talking about merging together (yes there are clubs talking) if anyone thinks that mergers will happen smoothly (just read the may threads on this site about a proposal that has yet to come down the pipe)  I see no problem with being proactive as we wait.  It takes time for mergers to take place.  No matter what level we are speaking about, egos will slow down the process.

#4 people are overreacting to a plan that has yet to be presented to the soccer community

#5 the best thing about all of this is that we are all rethinking why we are involved in youth soccer and now trying to re-define how we will interact with one another (from an adult standpoint) as we move to the future. 

The one true fact:  our children (yours not mine/he's no longer a youth player) are all clueless about what is going on.   They just want to play soccer.

[EWSoccer64]

Redkard, sorry to disagree but

#1 - The Plan is not just about the top level, it is about every level.  That much has been made clear.  The current debate has focused on the top level, but the plan clearly delineates state levels and control for RCL, open league (lower Premier), Select Advanced, Select Developmental and for Recreational.

#2 - The state has said that it wants to do away with Districts and to consolidate associations.  Some associations - so their board members have told me - have already been told whom they are to merge with.

#3  I agree with you.  But so far at least, and there is no reason to think that things will change, all CLUB mergers are entirely voluntary (except in the case of the Seattle Youth Soccer Association where the Association overwhelmingly decided to do it) entirely voluntary.

#4  The Plan has been presented, at least in its embryonic form, to the PDL, to the associations, and even to the clubs.  At least that is what people from each of the 3 groups have been saying.  So it is safe to say that the plan has been presented publicly, at least in its current form.

#5  Well said, and well thought.

#6   Excellent point.  99.5% of the kids do not know about any of this, and the rest do not much care.  All they want to do is go play soccer with their friends and teammates.

That is the point I'm trying to make.

Rumors & Facts: 

#1 there is a proposed plan to revamp "only the top level of youth soccer" (could happen in 2010, I believe no sooner than 2011)

#2 people are worried about the consolodation of clubs and the potential demise of districts (some clubs may consolodate after the initial top level plan is introduced) (the demise of districts and or associations won't even be addressed until the next phase of the plan is introduced)

#3 are clubs talking about merging together (yes there are clubs talking) if anyone thinks that mergers will happen smoothly (just read the may threads on this site about a proposal that has yet to come down the pipe)  I see no problem with being proactive as we wait.  It takes time for mergers to take place.  No matter what level we are speaking about, egos will slow down the process.

#4 people are overreacting to a plan that has yet to be presented to the soccer community

#5 the best thing about all of this is that we are all rethinking why we are involved in youth soccer and now trying to re-define how we will interact with one another (from an adult standpoint) as we move to the future. 

The one true fact:  our children (yours not mine/he's no longer a youth player) are all clueless about what is going on.   They just want to play soccer.

[Redkard]

I understand the fears that everyone has. 

The reason why I'm saying wait and see is because some of my fears were eased while at the meeting on January 12th.....(I can't determine if anyone else whose commented on the subject was there; but I was.  I cannot speak for everyone but this is how I felt when I left the meeting).

The only part of the plan is the initial part, the configuration of the top level of play (bringing the PDL back into the fold as the RCL and creating an interactive relationship with a state open league with promotion and relegation).

Sure what we've read mentions the potential consolidation/demise of some association/districts (a point that was brought to the committes attention/which I believe that they see as an error on their part); but that will not be determined until those committees are formed and come up with their own plans for us to see.  If those committees see fit that the districts and associations need to stay as they are, the possibility is there also.

I see a three step process,

Step #1 we are at the beginning stage (PDL/State Open League) of step #1 whose committee has submitted its plan

Step #2 will be Select/Developement (District Level type play) with its own committee creating a plan

Step #3 will be Association/Mod (Recreation) with its own committee creating a plan

Each step with it's own committee, making creating their own plan for that level of play.

The mistake of the first committee was talking about what might happen with steps #2 and #3 with respect to step #1; when we still don't have an idea what step #1 really is..........

That is what I determined while attending the meeting on January 12th..........

I can't wait to see the final version!  That's when I'll decide if I'm happy or pissed off........

[hulabaloo]

Things seem to be in flux in the Vancouver and Spokane areas, too.

I'm curious what "facts" do you have about Vancouver seeming to be in flux.  I have to say I'm not in the know down in the Couve.  Maybe this is what Lothar was refering too but he wouldn't spill the beans.

[Doodlebug]

I heard second hand that the state's consultant, Jan Glick, had been dispatched to Vancouver to work on a merger between the two clubs that serve that area. I'm betting that someone with better information can provide more insight than I can.

[tornado]

There are quite a few people that could provide info, but choose not to. Then there are the others that "claim" they know nothing and play dumb.

[8daysAweek]

I heard second hand that the state's consultant, Jan Glick, had been dispatched to Vancouver to work on a merger between the two clubs that serve that area. I'm betting that someone with better information can provide more insight than I can.

heading on down to Vantucky? hope he's prepared - better bring him some waders to manage thru all the BS he's gonna get   

[ThaBigCheese]

I heard second hand that the state's consultant, Jan Glick, had been dispatched to Vancouver to work on a merger between the two clubs that serve that area. I'm betting that someone with better information can provide more insight than I can.

Seriously Doodlebug?  

I no longer live in the area but could return and this news is quite interesting to me.  That's something I thought would never in a million years ever be discussed.

[tornado]

The funny thing is that doodlebug mentioned a merger between "the 2 clubs", when there are supposedly 3 "premier" clubs in the Couve. Ya I know, most of us in the Couve giggle at that too, but if there is a merger, could it not be  between CPSC and WSA, but between WSA and FCSC?

[Soccer Wonk]

Jan is no longer under contract with the state. It's a local initiative. And it might not involve the premier clubs.

[EWSoccer64]

Take a look at the association numbers for the 3 associations in the area.   That might provide a better explanation.

[Soccer Wonk]

Take a look at the association numbers for the 3 associations in the area.   That might provide a better explanation.

Ah, yes, but his involvement there predates the drafting of the PLAN by multiple months. Which is cause, and which is effect? Is 'Couve consolidation a reaction to the association-merger language ... or the inspiration?

[8daysAweek]

Jan is no longer under contract with the state. It's a local initiative. And it might not involve the premier clubs.

interesting point - there's more than just the P clubs- clubs like Chinook just may have a stronger foothold than Salmon Creek

[but sir?]

I heard that there was already a formal request for the "other" premier club (Salmon Creek) to leave their current association and head southeast ot ECYSA.  Can anyone shed light on this?  What is driving int? Will CYSF let them go?  If not, what are their options?  Will it happen at the premier teams anyway?

[EWSoccer64]

Take a look at the association numbers for the 3 associations in the area.   That might provide a better explanation.

Ah, yes, but his involvement there predates the drafting of the PLAN by multiple months. Which is cause, and which is effect? Is 'Couve consolidation a reaction to the association-merger language ... or the inspiration?

But since Jan helped draw up the Seamless Soccer plan for the state, which also predates the PLAN by multiple months, it might be that some in Vancouver made the leap from Seamless Soccer to the PLAN.   Read the writing on the wall, so to speak.

OR - and here is a wild thought - Perhaps some people in the Vancouver area thought that merging associations or clubs or both might be a GOOD IDEA.   And then brought in someone from the outside to help facilitate such a thing and set up the new organization RIGHT, straight from the beginning.    Wow, using common sense and moderation instead of lots of screaming, yelling and hair pulling.
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\Nah, this is youth soccer, we cannot have any common sense taking hold.  It would ruin our reputations!

[hulabaloo]

Can clubs merge across associations?  Isn't WSA still under ECYSC and FCSC, CPSC, and Chinook under CYSF?  For the little I've read/understood I know the "plan" or "proposal" as it is called may have some bearing or pressure on this sort of thing but what about outside of the "plan"?

[Soccer Wonk]

OR - and here is a wild thought - Perhaps some people in the Vancouver area thought that merging associations or clubs or both might be a GOOD IDEA.   And then brought in someone from the outside to help facilitate such a thing and set up the new organization RIGHT, straight from the beginning.    Wow, using common sense and moderation instead of lots of screaming, yelling and hair pulling.
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\Nah, this is youth soccer, we cannot have any common sense taking hold.  It would ruin our reputations!

Patently ridiculous! EW, you have jumped the shark!

[tornado]

Salmon Creek moving to the Eastside where WSA is at? So would this be a merger of some sort and what's in it for WSA? Would Salmon Creek lose the few fields they have? Better yet, would the Camas rec/select kids lose their fields once again? Salmon Creek is struggling and have been for a long time. Question is, what's in all this for WSA??? Is their purpose of holding hands with Salmon Creek for numbers sake or what??? I don't get it. Someone help me understand please, if this is all true.

[west side]

Can clubs merge across associations?  Isn't WSA still under ECYSC and FCSC, CPSC, and Chinook under CYSF?  For the little I've read/understood I know the "plan" or "proposal" as it is called may have some bearing or pressure on this sort of thing but what about outside of the "plan"?

merger possibly isn't the correct word.

heard FCSC is considering moving from CYSF and 'joining' WSA under EC-xyzzzzz  . Being under the same roof/association doesn't automatically mean a merger of premier level clubs- but could it be step in that direction?   I would question how this could affect the rec level in both those clubs - driving 45 minutes across town for U6 games with squirrley 5 year olds? no thank you.