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[HandBall]

Couldn't happen, right?

• Redefine the Constitution and break down its protections against limited government through Judicial and Bureaucratic actions.
• Concentrate all meaningful power in the Federal Government by mandate over individual states rights.
• Suppress and Repress the Individual by attacking his Unalienable Rights through un-Constitutional law and constant torment.
• Eliminate Private Property through Confiscatory Taxation and Regulation and wage constant war against Business Enterprises and Entrepreneurs.
• Control Institutions of Education at all levels and all forms of National Media, including the Internet, and turn them into Indoctrination Centers for the State.
• Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens.
• Destroy the Private Financial Institutions that have funded the Greatest Production and Accumulation of Wealth for the Most People the World has ever known.
• Destroy Capitalism through Nationalization of corporations and replace the free market with Redistributive Policies by Destroying the currency and Replacing it with a new currency or Devaluing the old currency.
• Eliminate American Sovereignty through arrangements and agreements with Foreign Countries and International Bureaucracies.
• Use American Foreign Policy not to improve American Economic and National Security, but to advance the Notion of One Government Globalism.

What, if any of these are NOT being pursued by our current Federal Government?

[EWSoccer64]

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We're the ones who allowed anti-Americans to take over America
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Barack Hussein Obama did not sneak into power. An army of clueless, disconnected, ignorant Americans invited him to bring his Marxist, glaringly anti-American jihad into our lives. This president's overtly destructive, clear-and-present-danger agenda is surpassed in transparency only by his ultra-leftist public voting record and overall lifetime conduct of consorting with the enemy as a child and student of Marxism, socialist and racist community organizer, congregant of the blatant America-hating black-theology- and social-justice-spewing Rev. Jeremiah Wright and close personal friend of convicted communist terrorists like Bill Ayers, and by his unflinching appointment of an array of communist czars, including Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, Anita Dunne, et al. So let me get this straight: You claim your intentions were noble because you simply wanted to get your child a puppy but somehow didn't notice that it was foaming at the mouth, and now you're shocked that your child has rabies? I think not. That is not a mistake. It is negligence -- dangerous, life threatening and, I am convinced, downright criminal negligence.


And the price for such negligence is catastrophic, don't you know.


But it gets worse. For, you see, the blame doesn't fall just on the obvious stupidity of our friends and families who voted for this corrupt, death-wish government in whose stranglehold we find ourselves. Ultimately, it is our fault. It is the failure of those of us who know better but have failed miserably to educate our own. Living our lives with a captive audience of family, friends, co-workers, socialites, fellow worshippers at church and other parents at school -- everyone in our everyday walks of life -- far too many of us have allowed uneducated, history-devoid, denial-riddled, fantasy-driven, anti-gun and anti-hunting, anti-capitalism general ignoramuses to remain so and run amok, when by all thoughtful considerations, it was our duty to educate and upgrade everyone in our lives to truth, logic and the American way.

It is the terminal curse of apathy and disconnect that got us into this shameless mess we find America in today, and in all honesty, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

We all saw it coming, but political correctness caused most of us to clam up in the ridiculous mindset that it was more important to avoid hurting feelings than to stand up for what we knew in our hearts was being trampled underfoot. Sadly, America has become a nation of ultra-thin-skinned, whining little girls, afraid of our own shadows and so cowardly as to back away from the simple solution of speaking the truth when we know we are supposed to do so.

I have been damned as being a radical extremist my entire adult life for simply standing up and relentlessly promoting and celebrating self-evident truth, logic and common sense. The devil brigade acting upon the Saul Alinsky deception playbook has made its mark by lying, cheating and attacking with the very hate that it accuses everybody else of harboring. With an overall complicit media to bullhorn the brigade's agenda, a nation of sheep has taken the pill and swallowed it whole.

Welcome to the new fat, soft, cowardly nation of wimps with the perfectly corrupt president and pack of soulless hounds in government that they deserve.

Look at Harry Reid. Charlie Rangel. Listen to Nancy Pelosi. What kind of idiots do they represent? A huge army of idiots who wish to do nothing for their country, but whine for their government to do everything for them. Welcome to France, ladies and gentlemen, only worse.

There always have been bad, ignorant people in the world. But in the United States of America, land of the free and home of the brave, the epicenter of rugged individualism founded on the premise of live free or die, where the powerful DNA of defiance got us where we are as the last, best place on Earth, the ultimate violation is that so many hardworking, truly entrepreneurial, independent Americans backed down and failed to stand up when we saw the wimps squawking about all the wrong stuff.

Everything from the New Deal and Great Society on has been a dismal and grossly counterproductive failure, yet we continue to allow corrupt bureaucrats to keep jamming more of the same down our throats with barely a whimper of resistance. How pathetic. How lame. How un-American.

[naughtysporty]

Empires rise and fall.  I am sure that the Brits in the 1880s at the height of Victoria's reign thought "Rule Britannia" would last forever too.

[EWSoccer64]

Timelines acceleratye and compress in the modern world.

[Left Foot]

Here's another one:

Agitated by entertainers and snake-oil salesman whose shtick involves playing upon the lowest common denominator of the fears and prejudices of their audience, political debate begins to consist almost entirely of gross vilification and simplistic, apocalyptic ranting against the "other" party as unamerican, communist/fascist etc.

[El Matarife]

Here's another one:

Agitated by entertainers and snake-oil salesman whose shtick involves playing upon the lowest common denominator of the fears and prejudices of their audience, political debate begins to consist almost entirely of gross vilification and simplistic, apocalyptic ranting against the "other" party as unamerican, communist/fascist etc.

+1.

And just so I can get this straight, being a Democrat makes you corrupt?

[Left Foot]

Here's another one:

Agitated by entertainers and snake-oil salesman whose shtick involves playing upon the lowest common denominator of the fears and prejudices of their audience, political debate begins to consist almost entirely of gross vilification and simplistic, apocalyptic ranting against the "other" party as unamerican, communist/fascist etc.

+1.

And just so I can get this straight, being a Democrat makes you corrupt?

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

[meluvsoccer]

Couldn't happen, right?

• Redefine the Constitution and break down its protections against limited government through Judicial and Bureaucratic actions.
• Concentrate all meaningful power in the Federal Government by mandate over individual states rights.
• Suppress and Repress the Individual by attacking his Unalienable Rights through un-Constitutional law and constant torment.
• Eliminate Private Property through Confiscatory Taxation and Regulation and wage constant war against Business Enterprises and Entrepreneurs.
• Control Institutions of Education at all levels and all forms of National Media, including the Internet, and turn them into Indoctrination Centers for the State.
• Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens.
• Destroy the Private Financial Institutions that have funded the Greatest Production and Accumulation of Wealth for the Most People the World has ever known.
• Destroy Capitalism through Nationalization of corporations and replace the free market with Redistributive Policies by Destroying the currency and Replacing it with a new currency or Devaluing the old currency.
• Eliminate American Sovereignty through arrangements and agreements with Foreign Countries and International Bureaucracies.
• Use American Foreign Policy not to improve American Economic and National Security, but to advance the Notion of One Government Globalism.

What, if any of these are NOT being pursued by our current Federal Government?

Blah, Blah, Blah. 
Boy do I loathe lists like this.  They say absolutely NOTHING.

But, for this one: Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens.
I would tell whoever you got this list from (and you as you kept it in for your list), that they need to go read the inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty.
Here is the main part:
 "The New Colossus," including the iconic lines "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,"

Or, here is the whole poem:
The New Colossus


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus, 1883

[Big Youth]

Couldn't happen, right?

• Redefine the Constitution and break down its protections against limited government through Judicial and Bureaucratic actions.
• Concentrate all meaningful power in the Federal Government by mandate over individual states rights.
• Suppress and Repress the Individual by attacking his Unalienable Rights through un-Constitutional law and constant torment.
• Eliminate Private Property through Confiscatory Taxation and Regulation and wage constant war against Business Enterprises and Entrepreneurs.
• Control Institutions of Education at all levels and all forms of National Media, including the Internet, and turn them into Indoctrination Centers for the State.
• Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens.
• Destroy the Private Financial Institutions that have funded the Greatest Production and Accumulation of Wealth for the Most People the World has ever known.
• Destroy Capitalism through Nationalization of corporations and replace the free market with Redistributive Policies by Destroying the currency and Replacing it with a new currency or Devaluing the old currency.
• Eliminate American Sovereignty through arrangements and agreements with Foreign Countries and International Bureaucracies.
• Use American Foreign Policy not to improve American Economic and National Security, but to advance the Notion of One Government Globalism.

What, if any of these are NOT being pursued by our current Federal Government?

Actually, very few of them are being practiced by our current Federal Government.
--We don't have "open borders" and the current Administration has increased deportations over recent past Administrations.  This is true despite the economy resulting in fewer jobs here and a number of illegal immigrants actually having gone home voluntarily.
--Confiscatory taxation? Tax brackets have been considerably higher at various points in my lifetime.
--"Constant torment"? Only a rabble rouser uses such undefined terms without providing context.
--Destroying financial institutions?  The TARP provided a safety net that prevented a run on banks.  If that notion is too complicated for you, the simple explanation is that is saved financial institutions and our financial industry.  Increased regulation is to provide consumer confidence to keep it going.  And my clients in the industry aren't concerned in the least that it will prevent them from providing services and making buckets of money.
--Neither "all" forms of education nor the national media are controlled by the federal government.  And even the liberal ones like the NYT and Huffington Post regularly run stories critical of the current Administration.

[EWSoccer64]

That's pretty low, even for you Lefty.   Handball has done or said nothing remotely racist.   Your attempt to demonise an opponent without any foundation is part of what is wrong with the politics in this country.   Well, that and the way the Dems cast and count votes..........

Here's another one:

Agitated by entertainers and snake-oil salesman whose shtick involves playing upon the lowest common denominator of the fears and prejudices of their audience, political debate begins to consist almost entirely of gross vilification and simplistic, apocalyptic ranting against the "other" party as unamerican, communist/fascist etc.

+1.

And just so I can get this straight, being a Democrat makes you corrupt?

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

[Left Foot]

That's pretty low, even for you Lefty.   Handball has done or said nothing remotely racist.   Your attempt to demonise an opponent without any foundation is part of what is wrong with the politics in this country.   Well, that and the way the Dems cast and count votes..........

Here's another one:

Agitated by entertainers and snake-oil salesman whose shtick involves playing upon the lowest common denominator of the fears and prejudices of their audience, political debate begins to consist almost entirely of gross vilification and simplistic, apocalyptic ranting against the "other" party as unamerican, communist/fascist etc.

+1.

And just so I can get this straight, being a Democrat makes you corrupt?

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

Here is what Handball posted:

"Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens."

Our country is a country of immigrants you dolt!

But don't worry, Handball probably isn't a racist, but the fellow who actually wrote this named Mark Levin -- apparently a Rush Lumbaugh wanna be, actually might be at least an ethnic bigot.. Sorry if this guy is one of your heros though.....

[Big Youth]

But don't worry, Handball probably isn't a racist, but the fellow who actually wrote this named Mark Levin -- apparently a Rush Lumbaugh wanna be, actually might be at least an ethnic bigot.. Sorry if this guy is one of your heros though.....
[/quote]

If he posted a rant from Levin without attribution, he at the least lacks both judgement and honesty, so he's got that going for him.

[EWSoccer64]

Lefty, there is nothing racist about what Handball posted.   Nowhere did he discuss race, ethnicity, or religion.
Further, you are wrong.  We are not a country of immigrants, we are a nation of descendants of immigrants.   And you can look at virtually every country, and say the same thing.   China and some central african countries are likely to be the only exceptions.   The timelines are just different.


>>>>Here is what Handball posted:

"Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens."

Our country is a country of immigrants you dolt!
<<<<

[Left Foot]

Lefty, there is nothing racist about what Handball posted.   Nowhere did he discuss race, ethnicity, or religion.
Further, you are wrong.  We are not a country of immigrants, we are a nation of descendants of immigrants.   And you can look at virtually every country, and say the same thing.   China and some central african countries are likely to be the only exceptions.   The timelines are just different.


>>>>Here is what Handball posted:

"Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens."

Our country is a country of immigrants you dolt!
<<<<

Ok. Just when did we stop being a nation of immigrants and become a nation of descendants of immigrants? Any particular year? After the first settlers but before the mass immigration of poor, uneducated Irish and Italians? I'm sure glad they let that dumba$$ kraut Einstien in. How about you? My ancestors are from England. Glad they didn't think they were going to destroy American society back then. And what do you know, some of us even went on to get an actual college degree and all.

Or are we both at the same time.

I didn't term Handball a racist. You first used that term. Now, I don't know about the guy who actually wrote this little gem. But, seeing as how he links poor and uneducated immigrants (a clear stereotype) with the destruction of American Society, I would say, at the very least, the guy is a bit xenophobic. Wouldn't you?

Don't worry, I am sure Levin doesn't really mean it. Just another shill playing just one of his cards to the bigots among us for a bit of coin. Shoot, his ancestors were probably immigrants as well.

[jjj]

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

[Left Foot]

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

No. But you can. Stop listening to entertainers like Levin and Lumbaugh to get your take on the world and they will have to tone down their shtick to keep raking in the bucks!

Now, please apply the same skills you used to tease out an implication in my statement to Mr. Levin's. Or not.

It is sad to see how many of you folks buy in to the current fad amongst the right wing entertainment set to say anything short of the N word but still feed the prejudices of those so inclined.

And why doesn't someone get Handball to ask Mr. Levin what he meant by his associating immigrants with the destruction of America?

And let us not forget the main point: No one changed any law  which supposedly let in all of these uneducated folks -- apparently all from some neutral race (since followers of Mr. Levin don't seem to see any racial connotations.)

[EWSoccer64]

jjj answered part of your question.   As for when we started being a nation descended from immigrants?   Back when the majority of the population was born inside the USA, rather than outside of it.

Lefty, you should learn to think for yourself, instead of blindly following the progressive line that those who oppose Obama and the far left agenda of the socialistic Democrat Party are a bunch of racists by definition.  Your simple parroting of the leftist party line and campaign slogans of hate and division are silly.

Lefty, there is nothing racist about what Handball posted.   Nowhere did he discuss race, ethnicity, or religion.
Further, you are wrong.  We are not a country of immigrants, we are a nation of descendants of immigrants.   And you can look at virtually every country, and say the same thing.   China and some central african countries are likely to be the only exceptions.   The timelines are just different.


>>>>Here is what Handball posted:

"Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens."

Our country is a country of immigrants you dolt!
<<<<

Ok. Just when did we stop being a nation of immigrants and become a nation of descendants of immigrants? Any particular year? After the first settlers but before the mass immigration of poor, uneducated Irish and Italians? I'm sure glad they let that dumba$$ kraut Einstien in. How about you? My ancestors are from England. Glad they didn't think they were going to destroy American society back then. And what do you know, some of us even went on to get an actual college degree and all.

Or are we both at the same time.

I didn't term Handball a racist. You first used that term. Now, I don't know about the guy who actually wrote this little gem. But, seeing as how he links poor and uneducated immigrants (a clear stereotype) with the destruction of American Society, I would say, at the very least, the guy is a bit xenophobic. Wouldn't you?

Don't worry, I am sure Levin doesn't really mean it. Just another shill playing just one of his cards to the bigots among us for a bit of coin. Shoot, his ancestors were probably immigrants as well.

[Left Foot]

jjj answered part of your question.   As for when we started being a nation descended from immigrants?   Back when the majority of the population was born inside the USA, rather than outside of it.

Lefty, you should learn to think for yourself, instead of blindly following the progressive line that those who oppose Obama and the far left agenda of the socialistic Democrat Party are a bunch of racists by definition.  Your simple parroting of the leftist party line and campaign slogans of hate and division are silly.

Lefty, there is nothing racist about what Handball posted.   Nowhere did he discuss race, ethnicity, or religion.
Further, you are wrong.  We are not a country of immigrants, we are a nation of descendants of immigrants.   And you can look at virtually every country, and say the same thing.   China and some central african countries are likely to be the only exceptions.   The timelines are just different.


>>>>Here is what Handball posted:

"Change the Citizenry by opening National Borders to virtually all comers and changing the qualifications for Citizenship to include mostly poor, uneducated illegal aliens."

Our country is a country of immigrants you dolt!
<<<<

Ok. Just when did we stop being a nation of immigrants and become a nation of descendants of immigrants? Any particular year? After the first settlers but before the mass immigration of poor, uneducated Irish and Italians? I'm sure glad they let that dumba$$ kraut Einstien in. How about you? My ancestors are from England. Glad they didn't think they were going to destroy American society back then. And what do you know, some of us even went on to get an actual college degree and all.

Or are we both at the same time.

I didn't term Handball a racist. You first used that term. Now, I don't know about the guy who actually wrote this little gem. But, seeing as how he links poor and uneducated immigrants (a clear stereotype) with the destruction of American Society, I would say, at the very least, the guy is a bit xenophobic. Wouldn't you?

Don't worry, I am sure Levin doesn't really mean it. Just another shill playing just one of his cards to the bigots among us for a bit of coin. Shoot, his ancestors were probably immigrants as well.

Calling out a right wing sleaze for spouting xenophobic venom would seem to be a more centrist approach to me. Unless you are a true tea partier who thinks that moderates just have no core values. Ok, so when the majority of folks were descendants of immigrants, it was ok to be xenophobic, and perhaps downright bigoted and prejudicial?

Maybe this is what the "descendants" say:
Man, I'm sure glad they let our parents in. But they weren't like these schmucks that want in now! Everybody knows they are all poor and uneducated and really bad for America. Quick, let's listen to some more Mark Levin and then some Rush -- we need to find out who to hate today!

[EWSoccer64]

The key to success in life (and for your descendants) is timing.   Emigrating to an "empty" country is easy.   Back in the day, many countries encouraged emigration.   Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the USA in particular.  None - with the possible exception of the USA - does so today.  That is a simple fact.   Calling xenophopic, bigoted and prejudicial is just empty "open borders" left wing rhetoric.
If you really want to go back more than a century to open borders society, make sure that you tell your wife you want to do with away with her right to vote.
    Societies evolve, and countries change their immigration philosophies.  Lefty, go off and try to get a job in Mexico, Costa Rica, Spain or Algeria.   Or Germany or England for that matter.   Let's see how you are treated as an illegal immigrant/undocumented worker elsewhere.
 Here is an absolutely fair idea. (So no doubt you will term it racist).   Let's apply the same legal standards to foreigners here in the USA that their home country applies to American residing there.   What is unfair about that?
So illegal Mexican immigrants would not be allowed to work or own property in the USA.   German residents in the USA would have to carry ID and register with the police.   But since those are the laws of their home country as applied to Americans, it would be fair to apply them to these immigrants, eh?


>>>>Calling out a right wing sleaze for spouting xenophobic venom would seem to be a more centrist approach to me. Unless you are a true tea partier who thinks that moderates just have no core values. Ok, so when the majority of folks were descendants of immigrants, it was ok to be xenophobic, and perhaps downright bigoted and prejudicial?

Maybe this is what the "descendants" say:
Man, I'm sure glad they let our parents in. But they weren't like these schmucks that want in now! Everybody knows they are all poor and uneducated and really bad for America. Quick, let's listen to some more Mark Levin and then some Rush -- we need to find out who to hate today!<<<

[Left Foot]

The key to success in life (and for your descendants) is timing.   Emigrating to an "empty" country is easy.   Back in the day, many countries encouraged emigration.   Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the USA in particular.  None - with the possible exception of the USA - does so today.  That is a simple fact.   Calling xenophopic, bigoted and prejudicial is just empty "open borders" left wing rhetoric.
If you really want to go back more than a century to open borders society, make sure that you tell your wife you want to do with away with her right to vote.
    Societies evolve, and countries change their immigration philosophies.  Lefty, go off and try to get a job in Mexico, Costa Rica, Spain or Algeria.   Or Germany or England for that matter.   Let's see how you are treated as an illegal immigrant/undocumented worker elsewhere.
 Here is an absolutely fair idea. (So no doubt you will term it racist).   Let's apply the same legal standards to foreigners here in the USA that their home country applies to American residing there.   What is unfair about that?
So illegal Mexican immigrants would not be allowed to work or own property in the USA.   German residents in the USA would have to carry ID and register with the police.   But since those are the laws of their home country as applied to Americans, it would be fair to apply them to these immigrants, eh?


>>>>Calling out a right wing sleaze for spouting xenophobic venom would seem to be a more centrist approach to me. Unless you are a true tea partier who thinks that moderates just have no core values. Ok, so when the majority of folks were descendants of immigrants, it was ok to be xenophobic, and perhaps downright bigoted and prejudicial?

Maybe this is what the "descendants" say:
Man, I'm sure glad they let our parents in. But they weren't like these schmucks that want in now! Everybody knows they are all poor and uneducated and really bad for America. Quick, let's listen to some more Mark Levin and then some Rush -- we need to find out who to hate today!<<<

Not open borders from me. And you might want to include some reference in your arguments to the whole "destroying America" rant. I believe that was the gist of Levin's list. I'm not really interested in your justifications for xenophobia. Call it a moderate thing I've got going on.

[EWSoccer64]

 >>>>I'm not really interested in your justifications for xenophobia. Call it a moderate thing I've got going on.<<<<

See, you are doing it again.  Just reading off your far left wing talking points list to attack the opponents who use a rational, non-emotional arguement to advocate enforcing the laws and stopping illegal immigration.   Those that so advocate or who are otherwise against the far-left agenda are labled "racists", "Xenophobes", "bigots" and such.   You have been doing that consistently in this thread. 
That's not being "moderate", that is being a progressive clone.

[Left Foot]

>>>>I'm not really interested in your justifications for xenophobia. Call it a moderate thing I've got going on.<<<<

See, you are doing it again.  Just reading off your far left wing talking points list to attack the opponents who use a rational, non-emotional arguement to advocate enforcing the laws and stopping illegal immigration.   Those that so advocate or who are otherwise against the far-left agenda are labled "racists", "Xenophobes", "bigots" and such.   You have been doing that consistently in this thread. 
That's not being "moderate", that is being a progressive clone.

Wrong again. The simplistic invective spouted by Mr. Levin is xenophobic and it is ok to say so. And you used the term racist.

Having said that, believe it or not, folks can differ re immigration policy on policy grounds and not rely on stereotypes of poor uneducated foreigners as "destroying" America to do so. Or even come up with some cockamamie sideways view of the historical importance of poor uneducated immigrants to this country. Of course, you don't raise near the stir because you can't get the audience all riled up so that your listener base metrics satisfies the advertisers.

As a matter of fact, you and I might agree more than you would think on immigration policy. Although my opinion that folks and companies who hire illegal aliens should face stiff penalties and jail time (as well as the deportation of illegals) would probably offend your pro-business sensibilities a bit.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>And you used the term racist<<< solely based on your racist description.

>>>>Although my opinion that folks and companies who hire illegal aliens should face stiff penalties and jail time (as well as the deportation of illegals) would probably offend your pro-business sensibilities a bit.<<<<
There you go again.   Stereotyping, and doing so wrongly.   Iowa Beef and Purdue Chicken were big, big contributors to Obama and the Libs the last election cycle, and I know of no businesses that use more illegal labor than theirs.
And I could save alot of money - and often get better quality work - if I hired illegal aliens to work for me, but I refuse to do so.
I support draconian penalties for businesses and individuals who hire illegals - even as maids and nannies.   I also support tougher sanctions on those who do not pay their taxes.   
So now we have a bevy of Clinton appointees (nannygate) and a bevy of Obama appointees and Dem Congresscritters (tax issues) along with Obama/Pelosi/Reed campaign contributors (food processors) all in the same boat.   Yet you choose to think that it is Republicans, Conservatives and the pro-business people who are to blame.

[Left Foot]

>>>And you used the term racist<<< solely based on your racist description.

>>>>Although my opinion that folks and companies who hire illegal aliens should face stiff penalties and jail time (as well as the deportation of illegals) would probably offend your pro-business sensibilities a bit.<<<<
There you go again.   Stereotyping, and doing so wrongly.   Iowa Beef and Purdue Chicken were big, big contributors to Obama and the Libs the last election cycle, and I know of no businesses that use more illegal labor than theirs.
And I could save alot of money - and often get better quality work - if I hired illegal aliens to work for me, but I refuse to do so.
I support draconian penalties for businesses and individuals who hire illegals - even as maids and nannies.   I also support tougher sanctions on those who do not pay their taxes.    
So now we have a bevy of Clinton appointees (nannygate) and a bevy of Obama appointees and Dem Congresscritters (tax issues) along with Obama/Pelosi/Reed campaign contributors (food processors) all in the same boat.   Yet you choose to think that it is Republicans, Conservatives and the pro-business people who are to blame.

Good for you! Not sure how a libertarian comes to your views, but great!

I'm sure you are familiar with the Cato Institute. Looks like a pretty good link:

http://www.cato.org/immigration

And wrong again. Both parties have been rendered largely ineffective by campaign finance laws that ensure the unbridled power of large concentrations of wealth. Do you really think that it is only the Democrats? Could we really be in the state we are in if it was only the Republicans? C'mon dude, you don't get paid to be a mouthpiece for one side or the other. Think outside the partisan box.

[jjj]

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

No. But you can. Stop listening to entertainers like Levin and Lumbaugh to get your take on the world and they will have to tone down their shtick to keep raking in the bucks!

Now, please apply the same skills you used to tease out an implication in my statement to Mr. Levin's. Or not.

It is sad to see how many of you folks buy in to the current fad amongst the right wing entertainment set to say anything short of the N word but still feed the prejudices of those so inclined.

And why doesn't someone get Handball to ask Mr. Levin what he meant by his associating immigrants with the destruction of America?

And let us not forget the main point: No one changed any law  which supposedly let in all of these uneducated folks -- apparently all from some neutral race (since followers of Mr. Levin don't seem to see any racial connotations.)

I teased out no implication only pointed out the BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN
in your statement where you made your post racial.  The original statement could be used in a discussion about immigration without resorting to the base emotional race arguments.  We are supposed to be above that now that we are no longer a racist  nation having elected President Obama. 

You on the other hand leftfoot made the argument racial bringing in your prejudices. You immediately ascribe your prejudices on the post.
I carefully read handball's statement and there was nothing racial there unless one wishes to go towards racist views.  This discussion need not go racial and please lets just talk about the merits or demerits of his post.
A brown/red immigrant,
jjj

[Left Foot]

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

No. But you can. Stop listening to entertainers like Levin and Lumbaugh to get your take on the world and they will have to tone down their shtick to keep raking in the bucks!

Now, please apply the same skills you used to tease out an implication in my statement to Mr. Levin's. Or not.

It is sad to see how many of you folks buy in to the current fad amongst the right wing entertainment set to say anything short of the N word but still feed the prejudices of those so inclined.

And why doesn't someone get Handball to ask Mr. Levin what he meant by his associating immigrants with the destruction of America?

And let us not forget the main point: No one changed any law  which supposedly let in all of these uneducated folks -- apparently all from some neutral race (since followers of Mr. Levin don't seem to see any racial connotations.)

I teased out no implication only pointed out the BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN
in your statement where you made your post racial.  The original statement could be used in a discussion about immigration without resorting to the base emotional race arguments.  We are supposed to be above that now that we are no longer a racist  nation having elected President Obama. 

You on the other hand leftfoot made the argument racial bringing in your prejudices. You immediately ascribe your prejudices on the post.
I carefully read handball's statement and there was nothing racial there unless one wishes to go towards racist views.  This discussion need not go racial and please lets just talk about the merits or demerits of his post.
A brown/red immigrant,
jjj

Ok, so maybe you are implication challenged. How about this statement:

It is really insane that a country will vote a man into office just because he is black and doesn't talk "ghetto".

[EWSoccer64]

How about jjj is not racist nor implication challenged, but your imputing racist posting was, Lefty?

And calling the majority of American voters in the last election dupes, idiots and fools for voting for a man whose qualifications were that he was Black and does not talk "Ghetto" is racist how?  Are you now saying that Affirmative Action is racist?   

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

No. But you can. Stop listening to entertainers like Levin and Lumbaugh to get your take on the world and they will have to tone down their shtick to keep raking in the bucks!

Now, please apply the same skills you used to tease out an implication in my statement to Mr. Levin's. Or not.

It is sad to see how many of you folks buy in to the current fad amongst the right wing entertainment set to say anything short of the N word but still feed the prejudices of those so inclined.

And why doesn't someone get Handball to ask Mr. Levin what he meant by his associating immigrants with the destruction of America?

And let us not forget the main point: No one changed any law  which supposedly let in all of these uneducated folks -- apparently all from some neutral race (since followers of Mr. Levin don't seem to see any racial connotations.)

I teased out no implication only pointed out the BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN
in your statement where you made your post racial.  The original statement could be used in a discussion about immigration without resorting to the base emotional race arguments.  We are supposed to be above that now that we are no longer a racist  nation having elected President Obama. 

You on the other hand leftfoot made the argument racial bringing in your prejudices. You immediately ascribe your prejudices on the post.
I carefully read handball's statement and there was nothing racial there unless one wishes to go towards racist views.  This discussion need not go racial and please lets just talk about the merits or demerits of his post.
A brown/red immigrant,
jjj

Ok, so maybe you are implication challenged. How about this statement:

It is really insane that a country will vote a man into office just because he is black and doesn't talk "ghetto".

[Left Foot]

How about jjj is not racist nor implication challenged, but your imputing racist posting was, Lefty?

And calling the majority of American voters in the last election dupes, idiots and fools for voting for a man whose qualifications were that he was Black and does not talk "Ghetto" is racist how?  Are you now saying that Affirmative Action is racist?   

Absolutely! And communists bent on destroying America by letting in all those brown folks.....if you believe Handball. I would say that the U.S. is really something like 99.9% immigrants, wouldn't you?

This is were you made it racial leftfoot.  please stop it. it doesn't  help.

an immigrant,
jjj

No. But you can. Stop listening to entertainers like Levin and Lumbaugh to get your take on the world and they will have to tone down their shtick to keep raking in the bucks!

Now, please apply the same skills you used to tease out an implication in my statement to Mr. Levin's. Or not.

It is sad to see how many of you folks buy in to the current fad amongst the right wing entertainment set to say anything short of the N word but still feed the prejudices of those so inclined.

And why doesn't someone get Handball to ask Mr. Levin what he meant by his associating immigrants with the destruction of America?

And let us not forget the main point: No one changed any law  which supposedly let in all of these uneducated folks -- apparently all from some neutral race (since followers of Mr. Levin don't seem to see any racial connotations.)

I teased out no implication only pointed out the BROWN BROWN BROWN BROWN
in your statement where you made your post racial.  The original statement could be used in a discussion about immigration without resorting to the base emotional race arguments.  We are supposed to be above that now that we are no longer a racist  nation having elected President Obama. 

You on the other hand leftfoot made the argument racial bringing in your prejudices. You immediately ascribe your prejudices on the post.
I carefully read handball's statement and there was nothing racial there unless one wishes to go towards racist views.  This discussion need not go racial and please lets just talk about the merits or demerits of his post.
A brown/red immigrant,
jjj

Ok, so maybe you are implication challenged. How about this statement:

It is really insane that a country will vote a man into office just because he is black and doesn't talk "ghetto".

Who said anything about your comment about Obama only being elected because he was black was racist? I thought that jjj might help parse your statement. Pity a black fellow can't get elected on his own merits though or maybe 'cause he had better ideas.

And I could have voted for McCain until he picked Palin and then abandoned any moderate stances he might have had during the last part of the election.

So, did Bush get elected simply because he was white?

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Who said anything about your comment about Obama only being elected because he was black was racist? I thought that jjj might help parse your statement. Pity a black fellow can't get elected on his own merits though or maybe 'cause he had better ideas.

And I could have voted for McCain until he picked Palin and then abandoned any moderate stances he might have had during the last part of the election.

So, did Bush get elected simply because he was white?<<<

Bush was elected because he was the better candidate.
And you were the one that raised an issue about my comment on Obama, quit trying to duck it now.

And a Black fellow can get elected on his own merits.   JC Watts did, as one example.   So did Cameron Mitchell, a local judge.  In a national election, we are still at the point where no one of that color has run on his own merits.  To claim that Obama would have been elected if he were any other color but Black is simply silly.  Now if Rice or Powell had run, and won, then it would clearly have been on their own merits.

[Left Foot]

>>>Who said anything about your comment about Obama only being elected because he was black was racist? I thought that jjj might help parse your statement. Pity a black fellow can't get elected on his own merits though or maybe 'cause he had better ideas.

And I could have voted for McCain until he picked Palin and then abandoned any moderate stances he might have had during the last part of the election.

So, did Bush get elected simply because he was white?<<<

Bush was elected because he was the better candidate.
And you were the one that raised an issue about my comment on Obama, quit trying to duck it now.

And a Black fellow can get elected on his own merits.   JC Watts did, as one example.   So did Cameron Mitchell, a local judge.  In a national election, we are still at the point where no one of that color has run on his own merits.  To claim that Obama would have been elected if he were any other color but Black is simply silly.  Now if Rice or Powell had run, and won, then it would clearly have been on their own merits.

I asked jjj what he thought dude about whether your statement can be taken as racist. But I'll just rest any case I might have had after your latest post. You have got to lay off the booze my friend.