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[HandBall]

While you may or may not ever hear this from our mainstream media, it's all the buzz in Europe. Yesterday, the disgraced director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, Phil Jones, came forward to admit the truth about man-made Global Warming. To sum up, basically, there's been none since 1995. Oh, and as for the raw data to back-up the now-debunked Michael Mann "Hockey Stick" chart, that suggested that recent warming was an man-caused crisis; well, that raw data required to defend the claim is also non-existent.

And finally, just to drive the final nail into the lie that hypocrites like Al Gore have gotten rich off, Jones concedes, "the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon." Oh really? So Jones is now saying that the planet Earth warms and cools all by itself?

It appears we can add one more leftist lie to the long list that have attempted to exploit environmental non-crises for political gain. So the Amazon Rainforest lie, and the Ozone-hole lie, now we can add the man-made CO2 Global Warming lie. I'd hope that the credibility of these doomsayers would be collapsing, although they still have plenty of fans in our national media doing all they can to avoid breaking the bad news.

With this latest lie, which is perhaps the largest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind, now we'll see if anyone is held to account for the hundreds of billions wasted dollars on bogus research, and whether the current Obama administration will drop its push for Cap & Trade and other unnecessary and completely whacked-out energy policies?  I'm not holding my breath.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

[EWSoccer64]

IPCC is also backing off its claims about the disappearance of Glaciers in the Himalayas and that 55% of the Netherlands is below Sea Level.
India has notified the IPCC that it is so unrealiable, India is setting up its own agency to get realiable statistics and modelling.  And the head of the IPCC is Indian!

Oh, and the official excuse from the Global Warming Industy is that the blizzards on the East Coast are due to global warming.   The increased heat in the atmosphere allows it to retain more moisture, hence more precipitation.

They must think we are all morons.
Precip + Warm Air = RAIN
Precip + Cold Air = Snow.

No one back east was complaining about rain storms that I heard about.  Blizzards mean snow and cold weather, at least until the global warming industry gets involved..........

[goldengoal]

IPCC is also backing off its claims about the disappearance of Glaciers in the Himalayas and that 55% of the Netherlands is below Sea Level.
India has notified the IPCC that it is so unrealiable, India is setting up its own agency to get realiable statistics and modelling.  And the head of the IPCC is Indian!

Oh, and the official excuse from the Global Warming Industy is that the blizzards on the East Coast are due to global warming.   The increased heat in the atmosphere allows it to retain more moisture, hence more precipitation.

They must think we are all morons.
Precip + Warm Air = RAIN
Precip + Cold Air = Snow.

No one back east was complaining about rain storms that I heard about.  Blizzards mean snow and cold weather, at least until the global warming industry gets involved..........

what crap

[Left Foot]

Score one for the petroleum industry.

[goldengoal]

Score one for the petroleum industry.

I like petro dollars, they are worth more than US dollars. My investment in Pemex may pay off eventually and I will rule that country as a dictator

[Left Foot]

Just pick a country that won't be under water!

[EWSoccer64]

IPCC is also backing off its claims about the disappearance of Glaciers in the Himalayas and that 55% of the Netherlands is below Sea Level.
India has notified the IPCC that it is so unrealiable, India is setting up its own agency to get realiable statistics and modelling.  And the head of the IPCC is Indian!

Oh, and the official excuse from the Global Warming Industy is that the blizzards on the East Coast are due to global warming.   The increased heat in the atmosphere allows it to retain more moisture, hence more precipitation.

They must think we are all morons.
Precip + Warm Air = RAIN
Precip + Cold Air = Snow.

No one back east was complaining about rain storms that I heard about.  Blizzards mean snow and cold weather, at least until the global warming industry gets involved..........

what crap

Oh, So Goldengoal and Lefty, you guys believe that SNOW is caused by precip and Warm Weather?

[Left Foot]

For my part, I'm going with the prepondarance of folks who are actually experts in their fields on the issue. And I believe they would tell you that local, transient conditions don't tell the story.

If big oil told you that the world was flat, would you believe them too?

Wait, maybe you still do believe the world is flat and that all those scientists who believe otherwise are doing it for grant money. Sorry....

[Prophet]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

[Left Foot]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

Yep. And a national security issue as well. Wonder why when the stakes have been so high for so long with respect to our reliance on fossil fuels that we haven't been avle to kick the habit.....hmmmmm.....hmmmmmm. Wait I got it, it must be the dems, or maybe the reps or maybe the folks who are funding the dems AND the reps. Naw. Can't be.

[goldengoal]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

agreed, but first thing is first make sure we dont go bankrupt trying to do this all at once. food, family, jobs, etc.

There are a lot of things I would love to do at home, in my community and so forth with my money, but I cant afford it

[Left Foot]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

agreed, but first thing is first make sure we dont go bankrupt trying to do this all at once. food, family, jobs, etc.
There are a lot of things I would love to do at home, in my community and so forth with my money, but I cant afford it

No doubt. However, the costs in the future arising from not starting the process now are truly staggering in both monetary and human terms. If big oil wins, I hope our grand-children don't think to wonder why they are in the mess they are in on the environmental front.

[goldengoal]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

agreed, but first thing is first make sure we dont go bankrupt trying to do this all at once. food, family, jobs, etc.
There are a lot of things I would love to do at home, in my community and so forth with my money, but I cant afford it

No doubt. However, the costs in the future arising from not starting the process now are truly staggering in both monetary and human terms. If big oil wins, I hope our grand-children don't think to wonder why they are in the mess they are in on the environmental front.

LF- the process has started, albeit sometimes for the wrong reasons. I dont think we should pass huge debt to our kids just because a few feel we should clean the earth during their lifetime. It will take time, education & good ole fashion technology, but to rush into it and put us all in debt for the next 100+ years means our grandkids wont have a future. then what?

Obviously you are assuming that big oil is bad and that the only way to keep the earth clean is to get rid of them. IMO the right approach, and this might be the left wing of my body talking, is to work together not against each other otherwise we will always fight each other even if we are wrong. I doubt that all the oil workers and executives dont go to work thinking "how can I destroy this earth today?"

We see it when in the other forums. I hate xfire, I love xfire, they develop, they recruit.

[EWSoccer64]

So called "Big Oil" are the single biggest investment group (outside of government) into alternative energy resources.
And Lefty, I hate Big Oil and Big Auto.   (But not as much as Big Soccer, whom you adore.  )
The near term solution is to transition from oil to natural gas.
The longer term solution is to go nuclear.
Both those can be accomplished without breaking the bank.


The more, and cheaper, power, the better off the USA is - economically, enviromentally, and strategically.

[famj]

okay, this is getting scary!     I think EW and Lefty are getting close to agreement!

Lefty refers to reducing our dependence on fossil fuels as a 'national security issue';  EW writes: The more, and cheaper, power, the better off the USA is - economically, enviromentally, and strategically.  So he's on board with Lefty abour the natl. sec. stuff, and I betcha lefty agrees with the economic and environmental part too!  We have a winner!   

Now back to soccer:  Peter Cech has been stretchered off the field against in the Milan game!    :'(  It looks like an ACL and he's done FOR THE YEAR!     Sir Alex is smiling back in England!   

[Left Foot]

No, the executives at petroleum companies don't go to work saying they are going to destroy the environment today. They go to work with the sole purpose of increasing or maintaining profits within the law. That is their job. And they will run multi-billion dollar lobbying and marketing campaigns to convince EW and others that global warming from man-made causes is a myth and that the cost of men and material to protect oil resources (rather than find alternatives) is worth it -- to protects profits.

These folks will all just tell you that they are doing their jobs and it is someone else's job to worry about the consequences.

Remember the tobacco execs saying that nicotine isn't addictive and can't be proven to be a major cause of lung cancer? Remember seeing those ads where Doctors are touting which cigarettes they like best? This was the cigarette industrie's response to increasing medical evidence that smoking was harmful.

If you think you are going to "get along" with a multi-billion dollar entity that can buy and sell dem and rep politicians all day long under out current campaign finance laws and talk them into being nice to the environment, I disagree.
One doesn't need to hate big business either. They are what they are. Large, powerful accumulations of capital which create jobs (BTW)whose interests are solely profit driven and can be counter to the long term interests of human beings in some instances.

[Left Foot]

okay, this is getting scary!     I think EW and Lefty are getting close to agreement!

Lefty refers to reducing our dependence on fossil fuels as a 'national security issue';  EW writes: The more, and cheaper, power, the better off the USA is - economically, enviromentally, and strategically.  So he's on board with Lefty abour the natl. sec. stuff, and I betcha lefty agrees with the economic and environmental part too!  We have a winner!   
Now back to soccer:  Peter Cech has been stretchered off the field against in the Milan game!    :'(  It looks like an ACL and he's done FOR THE YEAR!     Sir Alex is smiling back in England!   

Don't even think it! EW still believes the earth is flat and global warming is a myth. Different planet, different solar system! EW hates big oil but would rather have them continue to set foreign and environmental policy for this country. I differ.
I didn't hear that about Cech. Bummer. I heard Exxon was in on it!

[goldengoal]

No, the executives at petroleum companies don't go to work saying they are going to destroy the environment today. They go to work with the sole purpose of increasing or maintaining profits within the law. That is their job. And they will run multi-billion dollar lobbying and marketing campaigns to convince EW and others that global warming from man-made causes is a myth and that the cost of men and material to protect oil resources (rather than find alternatives) is worth it -- to protects profits.

These folks will all just tell you that they are doing their jobs and it is someone else's job to worry about the consequences.

Remember the tobacco execs saying that nicotine isn't addictive and can't be proven to be a major cause of lung cancer? Remember seeing those ads where Doctors are touting which cigarettes they like best? This was the cigarette industrie's response to increasing medical evidence that smoking was harmful.

If you think you are going to "get along" with a multi-billion dollar entity that can buy and sell dem and rep politicians all day long under out current campaign finance laws and talk them into being nice to the environment, I disagree.
One doesn't need to hate big business either. They are what they are. Large, powerful accumulations of capital which create jobs (BTW)whose interests are solely profit driven and can be counter to the long term interests of human beings in some instances.

cmon lefty, you are starting to sound like EW by making all these accusations just to scare people or at least that is why you get after EW about all the time. Whether it is money, power, bigger government or agendas everyone always has a reason why they do what they do. yes, profits can hurt human beings, but so can a million other things- like spending your time on the computer, eating big macs, not exercising, attending global warming meetings in europe on jet planes, etc. There is no winning one way or another with these type of debates we just have to try to meet in the middle. Right now we need jobs because people need to feed their kids. We dont need to be spending money on things that will clean the planet in 2550 because the human race may not still be around. Am I scaring you yet?

[Left Foot]

Hmmm. Recognizing the nature of very powerful entities in our political system isn't about scaring anyone. They aren't evil, just more like big machines with one purpose. Just can't expect them to care too much about poeple or the long run.

And it isn't 2500 A.D. we are worrying about where global warming is concerned; more like 2050.

And yes, we must be prudent in the current economy. Could have started a lot earlier if dyed-in-the wool oil men weren't controlling the whitehouse during the last decade.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>No, the executives at petroleum companies don't go to work saying they are going to destroy the environment today. They go to work with the sole purpose of increasing or maintaining profits within the law. That is their job. And they will run multi-billion dollar lobbying and marketing campaigns to convince EW and others that global warming from man-made causes is a myth and that the cost of men and material to protect oil resources (rather than find alternatives) is worth it -- to protects profits.
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More BS.   The US got more oil from Iraq - and cheaper, too - before the US liberation of Iraq from Saddam Insane - than it does now.   So cut the crap about the "cost of men and material to protect oil resources".

And man made global warming is certainly far from proven.  Self aggrandizing whipped up hysteria not withstanding.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Don't even think it! EW still believes the earth is flat and global warming is a myth. Different planet, different solar system! EW hates big oil but would rather have them continue to set foreign and environmental policy for this country.<<<<

American foreign, defense, economic and enviromental policy should not be set by Acorn, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Greenpeace, UN, and and SEIU.  Keep the EU, UNESCO, WHO, and the African Union out of it as well.

The only people who "believe the world is flat" are the members of AlGore's Human Global Warming Scam.

[Left Foot]

Ok, let's just continue letting Exxon decide where we send our troops next.

[EWSoccer64]

Ok, let's just continue letting Exxon decide where we send our troops next.

Typical liberal left wing lunacy.   

It was Chiquita and Dole foods that decided where US troops went, not Exxon.   Trust a liberal to get the companies wrong.

[RamaBama]

Global warming or not - reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, reducing emissions, lowering pollution and improving air quality are all good things.

When it comes to topics such as this, I really think everybody   ----   right and left   ---- needs to consider the economic concept of externalities.

[Left Foot]

Right on Rama! I have refrained from mentioning it 'cause it might be too taxing for folks, as it were. Might also want to throw in the tragedy of the commons, but most of this crowd would rather ignore it's impact and just yell "NO MORE GUBMENT ReGALASHEANS!"

[RamaBama]

Right on Rama! I have refrained from mentioning it 'cause it might be too taxing for folks, as it were. Might also want to throw in the tragedy of the commons, but most of this crowd would rather ignore it's impact and just yell "NO MORE GUBMENT ReGALASHEANS!"

I actually think there are plenty of smart republicans, just as there are smart dems.   These things are sometimes just a matter of perspective.
I remember a simple explanation of one way to eliminate externalities   (flawed, but still a good example)  . .   if a plant or factory draws water from the river,  have the water INTAKE line downstream of the water WASTE line.

The marketplace generally works decent enough....  if it has a fairly complete cost picture.

[EWSoccer64]

I believe that is actually a law in Norway.   One that I would support for here in the USA as well.

Right on Rama! I have refrained from mentioning it 'cause it might be too taxing for folks, as it were. Might also want to throw in the tragedy of the commons, but most of this crowd would rather ignore it's impact and just yell "NO MORE GUBMENT ReGALASHEANS!"

I actually think there are plenty of smart republicans, just as there are smart dems.   These things are sometimes just a matter of perspective.
I remember a simple explanation of one way to eliminate externalities   (flawed, but still a good example)  . .   if a plant or factory draws water from the river,  have the water INTAKE line downstream of the water WASTE line.

The marketplace generally works decent enough....  if it has a fairly complete cost picture.

[meluvsoccer]

Why do the extreme views always get the attention (OK, I know...  but hopefully, you'll get my point).

It is a shame that some people (and scientists who should be interested in the facts) make up data to support their hypotheses. 
It is a shame that some people (politicians) play off the extremes to try and get what they want.

Just because one group lied about their data does not make all the other data out there invalid.  But, it does warrant us to scrutinize and understand what is going on instead of running around shouting 'The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling'.

There is a balance here.  Is there an issue with warming?  I think so.  Anyone been up to Mt Rainier lately and been there when they were a kid?  The Main glacier going to Paradise has receded so you can barely see it on the way up.  But, it has been receding for many many years (I think I read since the 20s).

Do, we need to take drastic measures to volve this is right now, right this instant?  I don't think so. We need to take action. We need to clean up the air, the emissions, the CO2, etc.  But, let's do it while being good stewards of our money.

[poolboy]

lefty dude the global warming IS A SCAM wake up and put down the koolaid dude, pour yourself a pc and relax. the global warming crowd is about $$ and power. explain to me the extreme climate change (ice age) that occured here on beautiful mother earth and at that time there was no burning of fossil fuels  fyi  WE WEREN"T EVEN HERE DUDE! and the ice melted and yes there was a major change in the climate, thank god praise the lord cuz i don't like the cold dude. ok i'm out here.

[Left Foot]

lefty dude the global warming IS A SCAM wake up and put down the koolaid dude, pour yourself a pc and relax. the global warming crowd is about $$ and power. explain to me the extreme climate change (ice age) that occured here on beautiful mother earth and at that time there was no burning of fossil fuels  fyi  WE WEREN"T EVEN HERE DUDE! and the ice melted and yes there was a major change in the climate, thank god praise the lord cuz i don't like the cold dude. ok i'm out here.

$$ for what and power for who?

Good to see that the fossil fuel industry hasn't wasted their marketing dollars on you pool boy....