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EWSoccer64

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The US Census
« on: March 16, 2010, 01:36:05 AM »

I just recieved the census form in the mail today.  I have to admit that I worked the last Census, back in 2000.  I  ended up being the "troubleshooter" for the county I was working in.   Firstly, the people that I worked with were first rate people, very dilligent, honest and concientous, for the most part.   Sure, there was the occassional mope, but almost everybody would be people that I would gladly hire for the business I have now.   

The census form this time is much different than the last time, and it seems to be preoccuppied about race more than anything else.  It also asks for alot of ipersonal info that was not asked fr in the past.  - dates of birth, names, and so on.   There was some of that in the past, but it was done differently.

I remember one old codger that I had to deal with last time, who would only respond to the census with the answer "One. You have to count, and I have to answer.  So count me.  One".   Ended up spending a an entire day on him, considered having the sherrif come out and deal with him.  And I was the troubleshooter who came in after the local census taker and then his boss had failed to make progress with this old man.   (Yes, in the end, I got the basic, minimum required info out of him as per regulation and the forms.  But it was not easy.  I like to think by the end of the day, he and I had achieved a level of mutual respect.  Heck, maybe he was so lonely that this was the highlight of his year?)

This time aound, I feel much more inclined to follow this old codger's lead and just report the number of people and their ages.  names are not needed.  Birthdates are not needed.  Ethnicity is not needed.  We are supposed to be going toward a color blind society, and this census form focuses more on race than anything.   Much more important data than race used to be collated, and now it is not being asked.

In the past, there were different census forms that were distributed, some more in depth than others.  Perhaps I simply recieved one of the "census light" forms this time around.   

What are YOUR experiences this time, and what are YOUR thoughts.
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 12:30:02 PM »

Can they really force you to answer? I didn't realize that.  :drinks:
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 12:36:07 PM »

Can they really force you to answer? I didn't realize that.  :drinks:

It is Federal Law, you have to answer fully.
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 01:35:17 PM »

EWSoccer, you bring up a very interesting point, the whole notion of colorblindness.  Many people have written about this concept, and I have blogged about it extensively.

Leonard Pitts, Jr. is my favorite editorial columnist and he wrote a column several years ago on colorblindness.  He spoke so eloquently about it, and I think this is a good place to share it.  I, for one, agree with Mr. Pitts:
"A colorblind America is high on the wish list of many conservatives--right up there with two guns in every nightstand and a prayer in every classroom.  They bemoan the scourge of hyphenated Americanism and wax eloquent on how much better off we'd be if we were all just Americans, period.  If we no longer saw or acknowledged differences in race and culture.
I share their concern over the balkanization of the country.  But their frequently proposed solution to that problem--that we ignore difference--is naive at best.  It is also faintly insulting.
I speak from experience, having too frequently encountered white people who wanted me to know they didn't 'see' me as black.  Intending a compliment, I suppose.  Or maybe a promotion.  And each time, I wondered the same thing:  Why is my heritage something you have to blind yourself to in order for us to have a relationship?  Why do you have to pretend I'm not what I quite obviously am before I can earn your good will?  If that's the case, maybe your will isn't as good as you think it is.
Shall I pretend Jerry Seinfeld isn't Jewish?  Or that Halle Berry isn't a woman?  Makes about as much sense.
The truth is that so-called colorblindness is neither possible nor even desirable.  One of the great joys of life in this nation is the fact that its culture is actually the rich mixture of many cultures.  Why should I ignore that?  Why should I fear difference?
Better, I think, to celebrate it.  And to treat representatives of those cultures with fairness, equality and compassion.  It really is as simple as that.
Or at least, it should be.  Instead, Ward Connerly offers this shoddy attempt at social engineering.  And it scares me, because I know it will likely prove attractive to those who see it as a way to end American balkanization with a single stroke.  It is not.  Rather, it's an attempt to enforce by law something that has never been true in fact.  Meaning, the belief that race doesn't matter.
But for good and for ill, it does.  And believing otherwise doesn't prove you're blind to color.  It just proves you're blind."

Here is the Wikipedia entry regarding color blindness as it relates to race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(race)

Clearly there are those who support the concept of color blindness and those who are critics of the concept.  I happen to fall in the latter group.  Being “blind” to my race or ethnicity is offensive.  I would like you not to be judgmental about me because of my race or ethnicity, but also do not ignore it, because what you are then implying is that there is something wrong, something uncomfortable about acknowledging my race or ethnicity.   Should I be “blind” to your gender?  Should I be “blind” to your level of education?  If a person has a disability, should I be “blind” to her disability and just pretend she isn’t disabled, just pretend that we’re all the same?  We aren’t!  But we still need to treat people with respect!  And that’s okay!  And the thing is, somehow we have been socialized in this country to think of differences as negative.  There is nowhere in the dictionary that defines differences as NEGATIVE.  The definition of “different” in my Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary is “not the same”.  Period.  It’s a neutral definition.  We need to get over this idea that differences are negative and just view differences as neutral, including racial differences.
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 02:43:48 PM »

Obviously I disagree with you.

Let's start with "Seperate But Equal".   Not a good policy, is it?   Yet promoting the recognition of differences while attempting to maintain equality is the same thing.   

You mention recognition of education in your essay, yet education is aquired, it is not a born trait.   So it does not fall into the parameters of the discussion.  And that editorial you cited equates Conservatives wanting two guns in every house and prayer in every classroom with wanting a color blind America.  A cheap debating trick to punch the emotional buttons of the left wingers who want to disarm all American and to rile those who are against any form of prayer in school or out.   Such things detract from the main arguement.

The main arguement is that it is OK to be proud of one's background, and I have no problem with that.  To use it as a differentiation though, goes bcak to the "Different But Equal" which is far too close to "Seperate but Equal" for my tastes.   
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 02:54:51 PM »

Census is used in many different ways this is one way it being applied to the masses

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1003/gallery.census/index.html

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Re: The US Census
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 03:20:55 PM »

Well EWSoccer64, guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  :)

Ment2b, excellent article.  Demographic data is used for many things.  I notice that in grocery stores, depending on what community I'm in, the products are different.  It's also used for advertising purposes.
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 12:17:40 AM »

I am glad I got the short form.  Here is the info on fines with regards to the census: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/answersrequired.htm
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 05:04:52 PM »

Wifey must have filled the last one out. Funny, I didn't really have a problem with filling it out before. However, now that I realize it's mandatory, I'm not so sure..... :)
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 05:15:53 PM »

I have never filled one out :o
until yesterday that is
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2010, 05:45:57 PM »

I mailed mine back. I answered the number of people living in my home on April 1. I answered whether anyone else was visiting. I gave the Census the names of my family (for verification purposes by Census staff) and I answered whether they were part-time living anywhere else (to account for double counting.)

I left the race/ethnicity questions blank. And if a Census worker shows up at my door to get me to complete the questionnaire, I will first ask that person's name, ask if I can take a photo of them on my property to have should I need to prove they visited my home, and then ask them for what requires me to answer questions on ethnicity and phone number if I object?

I should also mention that I declined to answer the relationship question for my children, simply because it is no one's business whether my children are adopted or not, and there was no answer to avoid giving up that information.
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2010, 08:16:23 PM »

I will not say how I answered mine.   I just hope that the Census worker who tabulates it has a sense of humor! :evil:
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Re: The US Census
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 03:51:45 PM »

I really didn't think it was that big of a deal... :o...I always thought it was to find out the make-up of our country's population (age, sex, cultural, etc.).  I guess I was wrong... ???

I think its great that people consider themselves to be color-blind and/or hope we all can some day be.  However, like mtp, I too believe its insulting to negate my ethnicity.  Its PART of who I am...whether others like it or not.  Why do so many celebrate St. Patrick's Day or have a good ol' time at Oktoberfest?  Because its who they are and I'm okay with it!!  If you're not then its just another excuse to get sloppy drunk!!  :drinks:

I often hear people talk about how our children are growing up in a "color-blind society...the kids don't see color anymore."  Well, its not completely true.  Last year at Regionals, my dd's team played their 1st game against the team from Montana.  When on the field, my dd and one particular player from Montana were smiling and chatting it up like they were best friends!!  I knew exactly what the conversation was about without even being near them.  They found a common bond just by seeing eachother...and they were both thrilled!!  Confused by the 2 girls behavior, one of my dd's teammates asked her if they knew eachother.  DD and the Montana girl looked at each other and laughed...my dd answered "No..."  ;D  Then her teammate was completely confused which amused the 2 girls even more!

Personally, I believe the differences in our country is what makes it so great.  Where else in the world can our children grow up next door to people of a different faith and/or culture?  Where else in the world could you have food from another culture each day of the week?  I know I don't want to live in a Stepford society (although I'm sure some would prefer it)!!  I don't have a problem with "Different but Equal"!!

I filled out the census accurately (although I thought about making it interesting) and sent it in right away...mainly because I don't want someone showing up at my house and annoying the hell out of me because I chose not to answer all the questions!!
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