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[GIVEANDGO]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

[GIVEANDGO]

The Boys  WPFC u11 Black (A team) is building a very strong team this year to compete in the top level PDL.  Currently there are 2 open spots.  1 for a field player and a full time goalie.  Contact the team through the website if you are interested in bringing your son out!
WWW.WPFC99BLACK.SHUTTERFLY.COM

[Dragon]

ahhhhh 2 be a U11 CP again ...


Good luck getting your needed players

[EWSoccer64]

The Boys  WPFC u11 Black (A team) is building a very strong team this year to compete in the top level PDL.  Currently there are 2 open spots.  1 for a field player and a full time goalie.  Contact the team through the website if you are interested in bringing your son out!
WWW.WPFC99BLACK.SHUTTERFLY.COM

Ten year olds are supposed to be full time, specialised Goalkeepers now??   I must have missed that memo.............

[GIVEANDGO]

Thank you.  I am very excited for this season. 

[GIVEANDGO]

It's not rec EW...

[cheersme95keep]

ahhhhh 2 be a U11 CP again ...


Good luck getting your needed players

But you WILL be!! 

[Left Foot]

It's not rec EW...

No, it is u-11. At least 2 goalies both of which play in the field part of the time. Anything else is not fair to the player.

[GIVEANDGO]

That would be wonderful!  Would be great to have two goalies.  No complaints here.  But having a full time goalie is not automatically unfair.  There are kids who do not want to play the field and want to be a full time goalie. 

[Left Foot]

More like their are some parents -- not many -- (thankfully) that will tell a kid to focus on one position and coaches who will forgo the development of the total player to have a better chance of winning.

[LWRoller]

There ARE kids who gravitate to Keeper at that age, but I think not having them play in the field as well will certainly short change their growth as soccer players.  Even if they continue to specialize at GK in the years to come, they still need learn and develop ball mastery skills.  I don't know if it's realistic, but I would think DKs shouldn't specialize until maybe U13.

[meluvsoccer]

fulltime keeper is unfair ONLY in that as you get older, you MUST know how to play with your feet.  If you don't get that play time then you will suffer later.

In addition, knowing how to play the field, gives one a better understanding of how to play your position.

Sometimes, you only have one keeper because no other keepers are available, but no coach, at the younger ages (U11-U14) should only want one keeper. They need to develop...

[GIVEANDGO]

Well,  Leftfoot,  luckily in this state there are many different levels of soccer for kids and parents to chose from.  Some kids are newer to the sport and want a lot of development in different positions.  I think that is great!  There are clubs as you  know that play Rec, different levels of select as well as different levels of PDL/RCL whatever.  But if a child makes it on a team that has a higher skill level with kids that focus on either playing offense or defense, it doesn't mean they are not going to develop.  If you get a talented group of kids together that know their positions then you can teach them more advanced aspects of the game, would you agree?
What do you mean "total player"? please explain.  thanks.

[Left Foot]

Well,  Leftfoot,  luckily in this state there are many different levels of soccer for kids and parents to chose from.  Some kids are newer to the sport and want a lot of development in different positions.  I think that is great!  There are clubs as you  know that play Rec, different levels of select as well as different levels of PDL/RCL whatever.  But if a child makes it on a team that has a higher skill level with kids that focus on either playing offense or defense, it doesn't mean they are not going to develop.  If you get a talented group of kids together that know their positions then you can teach them more advanced aspects of the game, would you agree?
What do you mean "total player"? please explain.  thanks.

LWRoller and meluvsoccer summed a lot of it up for you. I am aware of the different levels of soccer. Please don't let someone kid you that some mythical elite level of soccer requires that kids specialize at 10 years old.

[lester]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

Isn't that Greg Ion's team?

[hulabaloo]

This was sort of mentioned but being a field player also gives the keeper knowledge on their positions so that he can help those players from his viewpoint.  A keeper may learn what is needed over time but I expect it will he'll be a lot better if he has experienced those things himself.  Our U16 keep (ODP keeper) commands from the back.  He couldn't do that as well as he has had, if he not played those positions at an earlier age.

[Left Foot]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

Isn't that Greg Ion's team?

Wait! Is that the team that is going to the world cup this summer? Forget what I said. A team at this elite level can forget about development. They have a world championship to win!

[EWSoccer64]

Wow, Giveandgo, I do not mean to belittle you here.   But all the literature about development -particularly for the higher level player - says that no one should specialise in anyone position at the younger levels (U-14 and below).  Even at the older youth ages, specialisation is discouraged.  Of course, this does not dovetail with a coach's immediate needs of winning at all costs in the next few league games at U-11.  Or winning the U-11 state championship.  It is about the development and the future of the player.  Someone has fed you a line of garbage.   
At U-11 "Premier" even more than at U-11, I would say that it is more important to have a wider experience in playing positions than a narrow one.  And the narrowed experience in the soccer world is playing only goalkeeper.  How many ten year old boys grow up to be what they thought they wanted at age ten?   Remember, they still believe that girls are "yucky", LOL.
Any coach who encouraging a player to be goalkeeper specific at age 10 is behaving in a very questionable manner. (To put it as nicely, and as non-confrontational as possible. Some would call him a child abuser).  You should start to question, at least to yourself, the other things that this guy is feeding you, whomever he is.

Well,  Leftfoot,  luckily in this state there are many different levels of soccer for kids and parents to chose from.  Some kids are newer to the sport and want a lot of development in different positions.  I think that is great!  There are clubs as you  know that play Rec, different levels of select as well as different levels of PDL/RCL whatever.  But if a child makes it on a team that has a higher skill level with kids that focus on either playing offense or defense, it doesn't mean they are not going to develop.  If you get a talented group of kids together that know their positions then you can teach them more advanced aspects of the game, would you agree?
What do you mean "total player"? please explain.  thanks.

[soccerpride]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

Isn't that Greg Ion's team?

No, Greg's B98 team moves up to the U12's. The new U11's mentioned here are Joe Birklid's team.

[EWSoccer64]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

Isn't that Greg Ion's team?

No, Greg's B98 team moves up to the U12's. The new U11's mentioned here are Joe Birklid's team.

Good to know, but it is still Ion's responsibility to enforce coaching standards and the proper development of players.  IF a U-11 team is trying to get a kid to be a specialised GK at that age, it is an indictment against the club, the coach, and the DoC.   Are their any grown ups over in WPFC land to look out for the kids?

[poolboy]

give'n go dude, take a chill pill w/ the gk shit . they are f-ing 10 yrs old. bad form peter pan.

[soccerpride]

2 SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WPFC U11 BLACK (A TEAM).

Isn't that Greg Ion's team?

No, Greg's B98 team moves up to the U12's. The new U11's mentioned here are Joe Birklid's team.

Good to know, but it is still Ion's responsibility to enforce coaching standards and the proper development of players.  IF a U-11 team is trying to get a kid to be a specialised GK at that age, it is an indictment against the club, the coach, and the DoC.   Are their any grown ups over in WPFC land to look out for the kids?

First of all, the original post was probably done by a parent who knows the team needs to field two more spots, one being a keeper. Perhaps, stating the GK needs to spcialize is more of this persons perception and not that of the coach or the club. EW, you know just as well as I do, that their are many parents out there whom believe they are developing the next Messi, and see their children as investments; and yes even though I hate to admit it, at this young age. AMAZING! I believe that no matter where you look "WPFC land" or elsewhere, you are going to encounter this. I don't believe it is necessarily fair to judge the club by a a posters assumption. I am not saying the coaches are squeaky clean, but for arguments sake, I believe this is not the post of a coach. So why even drive a point when the individuals who should really be listening to this, like the coaches and the DOC are not present. If this is an issue, than it should be addressed, directly with the source, and yes I would encourage WPFC parents to do so.

If parents do not speak up, at the appropriate time, we should not come here and gripe about how flawed everything is. We are given voices, and if you don't use these, of course they will not be heard. It does not mean everything will change, but at least it puts pressure on the power that may be to listen. Just like we tell our players to "pressure" during play, we should do the same.

I am just saying. No offense intended.

[tripleplay]

It's not rec EW...

No, it is u-11. At least 2 goalies both of which play in the field part of the time. Anything else is not fair to the player.

Having a single designated keeper at U11 is not uncommon. What you propose (a few keepers) is a little more common. No designated keepers (everyone rotates) is rarer.

But why do you say it is not fair to the player? What is wrong with letting players make up their own minds and act in their own interests? Coaching theories change all of the time - the current fads should not be codified into law. And, let's suppose that you really can prove that playing full time keeper "hurts" the keeper's development.  So what? Who is to say that development is the only objective in soccer? What if the kid wants to have fun and playing keeper full time is fun for him? Who are you to say that he shouldn't?

As far as the development theory itself, I would note that a few years later (U13+) there are going to be teams all over the place desperate for people who want to play keeper and have a little skill at it.  So our current method of keeper development (i.e. telling everybody that "real" soccer players play in the field and playing keeper is something to be ashamed of) seems to be falling short.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Having a single designated keeper at U11 is not uncommon. What you propose (a few keepers) is a little more common. No designated keepers (everyone rotates) is rarer.

But why do you say it is not fair to the player? What is wrong with letting players make up their own minds and act in their own interests? Coaching theories change all of the time - the current fads should not be codified into law. And, let's suppose that you really can prove that playing full time keeper "hurts" the keeper's development.  So what? Who is to say that development is the only objective in soccer? What if the kid wants to have fun and playing keeper full time is fun for him? Who are you to say that he shouldn't?

As far as the development theory itself, I would note that a few years later (U13+) there are going to be teams all over the place desperate for people who want to play keeper and have a little skill at it.  So our current method of keeper development (i.e. telling everybody that "real" soccer players play in the field and playing keeper is something to be ashamed of) seems to be falling short.
<<<
Are you also in favor of ten year olds deciding upon their diet, their bedtimes, and whether or not they go to school?   Are you also in favor of ten years being trained in Little League to only be a short reliever and never take a single At Bat?     Sure sounds like it.......

[tripleplay]

>>>Having a single designated keeper at U11 is not uncommon. What you propose (a few keepers) is a little more common. No designated keepers (everyone rotates) is rarer.

But why do you say it is not fair to the player? What is wrong with letting players make up their own minds and act in their own interests? Coaching theories change all of the time - the current fads should not be codified into law. And, let's suppose that you really can prove that playing full time keeper "hurts" the keeper's development.  So what? Who is to say that development is the only objective in soccer? What if the kid wants to have fun and playing keeper full time is fun for him? Who are you to say that he shouldn't?

As far as the development theory itself, I would note that a few years later (U13+) there are going to be teams all over the place desperate for people who want to play keeper and have a little skill at it.  So our current method of keeper development (i.e. telling everybody that "real" soccer players play in the field and playing keeper is something to be ashamed of) seems to be falling short.
<<<
Are you also in favor of ten year olds deciding upon their diet, their bedtimes, and whether or not they go to school?   Are you also in favor of ten years being trained in Little League to only be a short reliever and never take a single At Bat?     Sure sounds like it.......

As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, I'm for parents and their kids making those kinds of decisions. And I think most parents would weigh the opinions of soccer's self-proclaimed experts and other busybodies like yourself rather low on the list.

One of the amusing things about rants like yours ("The club and everyone in it should be condemned!") is that it displays a complete lack of any common sense. Is there some kind of law that would make it impossible for a full-time keeper to work on his foot skills? Don't most coaches hold practices where the coach has a lot of discretion as to what happens in those practices (at least until you and your Stalinists take over completely)?

Face it - you just hate the very concept of thinking for yourself and making informed decisions. That's the common thread in all of your posts.

[EWSoccer64]

3Play, there you go again...  Jelly beans for dinner, jelly beans for lunch, and chocolate mousse for breakfast.
Glad to see that once again you are showing a complete lack of knowledge on developement of soccer players.

>>>Having a single designated keeper at U11 is not uncommon. What you propose (a few keepers) is a little more common. No designated keepers (everyone rotates) is rarer.

But why do you say it is not fair to the player? What is wrong with letting players make up their own minds and act in their own interests? Coaching theories change all of the time - the current fads should not be codified into law. And, let's suppose that you really can prove that playing full time keeper "hurts" the keeper's development.  So what? Who is to say that development is the only objective in soccer? What if the kid wants to have fun and playing keeper full time is fun for him? Who are you to say that he shouldn't?

As far as the development theory itself, I would note that a few years later (U13+) there are going to be teams all over the place desperate for people who want to play keeper and have a little skill at it.  So our current method of keeper development (i.e. telling everybody that "real" soccer players play in the field and playing keeper is something to be ashamed of) seems to be falling short.
<<<
Are you also in favor of ten year olds deciding upon their diet, their bedtimes, and whether or not they go to school?   Are you also in favor of ten years being trained in Little League to only be a short reliever and never take a single At Bat?     Sure sounds like it.......

As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, I'm for parents and their kids making those kinds of decisions. And I think most parents would weigh the opinions of soccer's self-proclaimed experts and other busybodies like yourself rather low on the list.

One of the amusing things about rants like yours ("The club and everyone in it should be condemned!") is that it displays a complete lack of any common sense. Is there some kind of law that would make it impossible for a full-time keeper to work on his foot skills? Don't most coaches hold practices where the coach has a lot of discretion as to what happens in those practices (at least until you and your Stalinists take over completely)?

Face it - you just hate the very concept of thinking for yourself and making informed decisions. That's the common thread in all of your posts.

[English1]

3Play, there you go again...  Jelly beans for dinner, jelly beans for lunch, and chocolate mousse for breakfast.
Glad to see that once again you are showing a complete lack of knowledge on developement of soccer players.

>>>Having a single designated keeper at U11 is not uncommon. What you propose (a few keepers) is a little more common. No designated keepers (everyone rotates) is rarer.

But why do you say it is not fair to the player? What is wrong with letting players make up their own minds and act in their own interests? Coaching theories change all of the time - the current fads should not be codified into law. And, let's suppose that you really can prove that playing full time keeper "hurts" the keeper's development.  So what? Who is to say that development is the only objective in soccer? What if the kid wants to have fun and playing keeper full time is fun for him? Who are you to say that he shouldn't?

As far as the development theory itself, I would note that a few years later (U13+) there are going to be teams all over the place desperate for people who want to play keeper and have a little skill at it.  So our current method of keeper development (i.e. telling everybody that "real" soccer players play in the field and playing keeper is something to be ashamed of) seems to be falling short.
<<<
Are you also in favor of ten year olds deciding upon their diet, their bedtimes, and whether or not they go to school?   Are you also in favor of ten years being trained in Little League to only be a short reliever and never take a single At Bat?     Sure sounds like it.......

As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, I'm for parents and their kids making those kinds of decisions. And I think most parents would weigh the opinions of soccer's self-proclaimed experts and other busybodies like yourself rather low on the list.

One of the amusing things about rants like yours ("The club and everyone in it should be condemned!") is that it displays a complete lack of any common sense. Is there some kind of law that would make it impossible for a full-time keeper to work on his foot skills? Don't most coaches hold practices where the coach has a lot of discretion as to what happens in those practices (at least until you and your Stalinists take over completely)?

Face it - you just hate the very concept of thinking for yourself and making informed decisions. That's the common thread in all of your posts.

I don't see anything wrong with givengo asking for a keep, better be up front than luring you in with a carrot and then telling you.  The bottom line is that this is an awesome little team who have alot of talent.  They will go far with this up and coming Coach.  This team should be one to watch in the next couple of years...

[poolboy]

english dude, "in the up and coming years". they are 9-10 years old man- maybe you can find the kid at 9 or 10 that wants only to be keeper but i'll bet you a gold mine that in the up and comin years the keeper will be a different keeper. way to many cp's care about the now, the we have a special thing this year. sorry dude give it a ride and chill a bit and just enjoy your studs accolades and lett'em develop they are wee little dudes. i'm not on board, you guys are 220= loco.

[English1]

Actually poolboy, they are coming up to 11 and someone/two/three needs to play in the net this year.  There is nothing wrong with asking who is interested.  This particular team will take out the forwards and play them at defense and strikers in net etc. at any given game.  My dd was a GK at this age and then realised she wasn't gonna grow much past 5' 1" but if you had of asked her at that age (now 17) she would have said "yes, I am gonna play Keep forever"
Chill out, they are just asking if there is an interested body out there who would like to come and take a look.  Nothing wrong with that!!

[EWSoccer64]

English1, we are talking about a couple or several boys filling in now, we are not talking about years down the line having a dedicated keeper.
Sockemgirlz just posted that she is looking for a dedicated keeper for her GU-15 or GU-16 team (I do not remember which it is).  I doubt that anyone will raise an eyebrow.

The discussion here is on how appropriate it is to have a ten year old in goalkeeper only straightjacket.   That is what was posted about originally.  Knowledgeable people (which excludes 3Play) understand that it is not appropriate to have ten years specialising in the goalkeeper position.