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Omaha, NE - A celebration is tarnished by the act of some students.  What happened after last night's Nebraska State Boy's Soccer Championship, has some teens in hot water.

Lincoln East High School is taking action against several students for the soccer stunt.  After winning the game against Omaha South High School, students from Lincoln East rushed the field.  Some tossed home-made "green cards" into the air.

The cards floated down around the South High Players.  Many of the players are of Hispanic heritage.  After dealing with the devastating loss in the match, they then found themselves hit with the cruel prank.

"It's one of the best feelings just making it to that game," says Billy Loera, an Omaha South senior.  "Having it end like that was just disgraceful."


http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=12511148

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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 10:21:15 PM »

Disgraceful indeed. The kid's that did that should be suspended and the parent's banned from attending future games. It's probably easy enough to find the culprits on YouTube.
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 02:02:58 AM »

I really hate using this phrase, because it is normally so trite, so juvenile, and frankly, rather idiotic, but for the life of me I cannot find a better description at the moment.

"This is so wrong".

In this sort of situation, the "Green Cards" were clearly a racist insult.   Just like that clown masquerading as a coach up at Tynecastle.   Because I am a solid conservative with pronounced libertarian proclivities, a supporter of the "Tea Partiers", is exactly why I find this so offensive. 

Plus, it is poor sportsmanship.

It would be fitting if the school at fault was to be stripped of its championship trophy, even though the players themselves were not at fault.
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 06:05:28 AM »

I have a couple of questions about the rude and childish behavior of these kids - for those intersested to answer, and try to answer honestly:

What does supporing a crass roots organization that wants the federal government to return to the duties and restrictions of the United States Constitutional have to do with this action by a bunch of high school kids at a game?

And what "race" are you talking about?  Is the language that someone speaks make them a certain race?  Is someone from Spain the same race as someone from Argentina, Cuba or Mexico because they speak Spanish?

Is this really the worst thing you have seen high school students do or say during  a game against a rival school?

Did the school in question have players on the team that were children from illegal aliens on the team? (or if you prefer - "undocumented immigrants").

If this was a Catholic or Jewish school and the high school kids from the opposing team threw up Euchirists or skull caps, would you be as offended?

If the other team won, and the winning school had their fans run on the feild with Mexican flags waving - would it offend you?
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 09:12:52 AM »

I have a couple of questions about the rude and childish behavior of these kids - for those intersested to answer, and try to answer honestly:

What does supporing a crass roots organization that wants the federal government to return to the duties and restrictions of the United States Constitutional have to do with this action by a bunch of high school kids at a game?

And what "race" are you talking about?  Is the language that someone speaks make them a certain race?  Is someone from Spain the same race as someone from Argentina, Cuba or Mexico because they speak Spanish?

Is this really the worst thing you have seen high school students do or say during  a game against a rival school?

Did the school in question have players on the team that were children from illegal aliens on the team? (or if you prefer - "undocumented immigrants").

If this was a Catholic or Jewish school and the high school kids from the opposing team threw up Euchirists or skull caps, would you be as offended?

If the other team won, and the winning school had their fans run on the feild with Mexican flags waving - would it offend you?

Well, what exactly is your point? I'm sure there is one in there somewhere....
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 09:34:12 AM »

Don't worry, Carpe Diem, many of us got your point(s).   None the less, the standard for all sports fans should be celebration, not derision.
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »

Are you daft or just wrote this in a state of daftness?


I have a couple of questions about the rude and childish behavior of these kids - for those intersested to answer, and try to answer honestly:

What does supporing a crass roots organization that wants the federal government to return to the duties and restrictions of the United States Constitutional have to do with this action by a bunch of high school kids at a game?
OK - So this one, I am wondering too. Usually conservatives want less 'undocumented' foreigners to be in this country and have no idea what this has to do with tea-partiers.  But, one's political bent should NEVER come into play when it comes to racist actions. Regardless of what you feel about illegal aliens or whatnot, racist actions have no place in our society.

And what "race" are you talking about?  Is the language that someone speaks make them a certain race?  Is someone from Spain the same race as someone from Argentina, Cuba or Mexico because they speak Spanish?
DUH - They said they were of Hispanic heritage. That, in my understanding, is a race.

Is this really the worst thing you have seen high school students do or say during  a game against a rival school?
No, but does not excuse this behavior. What, we only get enraged and come to action when it is the worst thing we've seen?  Think about this again, I would say

Did the school in question have players on the team that were children from illegal aliens on the team? (or if you prefer - "undocumented immigrants").
Who cares?  The issue is not about the victims of racist actions. It is about the instigators of those actions.  An analogy would be like someone who commits a crime and we go after the victim to see if they deserved to be the victim of the crime.

If this was a Catholic or Jewish school and the high school kids from the opposing team threw up Euchirists or skull caps, would you be as offended?
Yes.  Bigoted comments, actions, etc. regardless of the type offend me. It does not matter if it is racial, sexual, gender based, ethnic, geographical.  It is offensive.

If the other team won, and the winning school had their fans run on the feild with Mexican flags waving - would it offend you?
Yes, regardless of their heritage, I also think that if you want to live in America, you should support America.  Not that you cannot root for your 'home' country, but this is not about their country vs another, this is about one H.S. team vs another. Country symbols have no place in that situation.


Lastly, I think they go after the people who did this. They should not be punishing anyone associated to the school (i.e. taking away the championship from the players).  If some players were involved, they should be punished. If all the players were involved, then taking it away is an option. But, don't punish innocent people for the actions of a few idiots.

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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 10:37:23 AM »

@ Carpe Diem, below are my HONEST answers. All, do not take shots at me because I may think differently than you.

I have a couple of questions about the rude and childish behavior of these kids - for those intersested to answer, and try to answer honestly:

What does supporing a crass roots organization that wants the federal government to return to the duties and restrictions of the United States Constitutional have to do with this action by a bunch of high school kids at a game? I don't believe the grass roots organization has anything to do with this specific incident. Perhaps what EWSoccer64 was eluding to was that many folks immediately associate acts of perceived discrimination, hate crimes, harassment, or simple childish behavior such as the one documented in this post to the conservatives, Tea Party, GOP, Republicans. He is sharing that as a Tea Party goer, he does not support nor condone this behavior. However, no one took a shot at this organization, so not sure why he replied like this.

And what "race" are you talking about?  Is the language that someone speaks make them a certain race?  Is someone from Spain the same race as someone from Argentina, Cuba or Mexico because they speak Spanish? The original article makes the association with "hispanic heritage" players. The reporter makes the emphasis in speaking to the "hispanic" players. I would say it is safe to assume the "race" being discussed is indeed "hispanic." OK, so here is where I could go off on a tangent. The association of "hispanic" is widely used for Spanish speaking countries. Although most of the time it could be correct, it could also be argued this should be Latino, for most of the Spanish speaking countries of America. Hispanic as a race is based on your lienage with Spain itself. These day's, most Latino's lineage to Spain is to far removed. A true 100% blooded descendant of Spain, living in the America's is referred to as Criollo, Hispanic was the term adopted by the government, and Latino by the community. Most importantly, I believe the proper term should be Cuban-American, Mexican-Amerian, etc. Based on my experience as someone from this "race" group, we are typcially referred to as Hispanics, on ALL government documents. The government does not typically give us the option to select a specific breakdown from this. Although, the recent Census did break us "Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin" folks down into more detailed, categories. I have it even tougher, being mixed Native American and "Hispanic".

Is this really the worst thing you have seen high school students do or say during  a game against a rival school? No, but it should not also be swept away as worse things could happen type of attitude. I am a firm believer in that if you violate any rules, regulations, procedure, and/or laws, you should receive the applicable discpline for this.

Did the school in question have players on the team that were children from illegal aliens on the team? (or if you prefer - "undocumented immigrants"). Does anyone know this? Because this article does not elude to anyone being "illegal" or "undocumented." Or did I miss it? I believe this is part of why this is considered disrespectful, as the "green card" eludes to these specific players being here with a "green card." For what we know, they could be natural born U.S. Citizens, but there is not enough information to determine one way or another.

If this was a Catholic or Jewish school and the high school kids from the opposing team threw up Euchirists or skull caps, would you be as offended? Yes I would be just as offended. Again, the schools regardless of what district, or denomination they are, all have rules, and if this violates their rules, students should be reprimanded. Also, the 1964 Civil Rights Act specifically notes that one must not discriminate based on Race, Color, National Origin, and in most cases Religion and Sex.

If the other team won, and the winning school had their fans run on the feild with Mexican flags waving - would it offend you? Yes, I would firmly believe this is inappropriate. The Mexican Flag, unless for specific approved curricular purposes has nothing to do with the U.S. schools, and/or sporting activities.
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 11:01:40 AM »

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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 11:45:14 AM »

Coach apologizes:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100520/NEWS01/100529934/0

Nebraska Senator weighs in:
http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/94511759.html

Fallout continues:
http://www.ketv.com/news/23610720/detail.html

And the sad thing is that we had a worse incident occur in this state involving a coach loudly telling a a ref to give a 14 year old hispanic player on the other team a green card during a game. And for all practical purposes, nothing was done by the state. Absolutely shameful and arguably the strongest argument why the WSYSA is corrupt and ineffective from top to bottom. Those involved at any level with WYS should be absolutely ashamed of themselves and their organization. Epic fail on behalf of all kids by everyone in the org.

Now, folks, please continue with your puerile justifications.....
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 12:20:21 PM »

While a grown man should know better, HS students may not, and it is certainly a teachable moment for them. It may be a case of parroting what they are hearing at home.
While pulling the championship seems a bit drastic, it would be okay with me if the offending students did not attend/go through/perform some kind of "walk in their shoes" training that gives them the opportunity to learn from their bigoted behavior. Just stripping the championship may push them further down the road of intolerance.

Something or someone had to trigger this behavior. I would hope that it was not an adult, but sadly we've seen that there are adults who do not know, or do not care, where the lines of intolerance are drawn, and do not care about the effect it has on youngsters.

Keep the peace!
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2010, 01:10:26 PM »

I was trying to point out that while the "main stream media" is continually alleging that conservatives and tea party members (I am a supporter, not a member, never been to one of their rallies) are racist, it is not the case.  And doing so while condemning the inappropriate activities that took place.
Also, the modern definition of racism includes culture, race, ethnicity, religion and more areas.  (I lost an arguement on that when the wife opened the dictionary.   Orwell was right again, about changing languange and word definitions.....).
    And something does not have to be "the worst" for it to be worthy of being addressed.   Yes, I would be just as offended if the racist students had gone after Christians or Jews or Blacks or Muslims.   And if the other team had won and run onto the field with Mexican flags, I would have been offended.

Do not really get the point behind the questions, though.

I have a couple of questions about the rude and childish behavior of these kids - for those intersested to answer, and try to answer honestly:

What does supporing a crass roots organization that wants the federal government to return to the duties and restrictions of the United States Constitutional have to do with this action by a bunch of high school kids at a game?

And what "race" are you talking about?  Is the language that someone speaks make them a certain race?  Is someone from Spain the same race as someone from Argentina, Cuba or Mexico because they speak Spanish?

Is this really the worst thing you have seen high school students do or say during  a game against a rival school?

Did the school in question have players on the team that were children from illegal aliens on the team? (or if you prefer - "undocumented immigrants").

If this was a Catholic or Jewish school and the high school kids from the opposing team threw up Euchirists or skull caps, would you be as offended?

If the other team won, and the winning school had their fans run on the feild with Mexican flags waving - would it offend you?
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2010, 04:02:08 AM »

GREAT answer Soccerpride. I think you understood what I was trying to point out.
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2010, 04:38:25 AM »

In Washington, the WIAA mandates that a "school official" be present at all home matches to manage any situation.   From 7 years of coaching varsity soccer, a couple years of helping buddies out with their teams afterwards, and more than a decade of watching my own kids at other High Schools, all I can say is that in this state, the job of supervising HS sporting events seems to be a collassal waste of tax payer money.  The people supposedly doing this are lethargic, inattentive. and never prevent problems, just stand around and bitch that it happened on their watch.   (Their overitme pay gets credited to their retirement pay, a nice boost.)
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Re: "Green Card" Incident Outrages Students After Soccer Match
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2010, 08:12:24 PM »

Was going to reply with some thoughts but meluvsoccer and soccerpride said it better than I could have. Thank you.
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