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« on: May 21, 2010, 05:43:50 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?
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Re: Question
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 05:55:07 PM »

Would this be a suggestion that they move to US Club Soccer?  WYSA still supports all of the Districts in the state, state cup championships and State League.  Is this question asked because there is a feeling that WSYA has deserted all the teams outside of the PDL/RCL?
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 05:57:23 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I bet someone from Emerald City FC could help with a couple reasons.  Yes?
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 06:03:37 PM »

Would this be a suggestion that they move to US Club Soccer?  WYSA still supports all of the Districts in the state, state cup championships and State League.  Is this question asked because there is a feeling that WSYA has deserted all the teams outside of the PDL/RCL?

The State is closing down the districts, remember?
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Re: Question
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 06:14:12 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

State Cups System.
RTCs and ODP.
Provides a certain level of oversite.
Admin - while most of it can be handled differently, the ability to have the state run RMA (background checks).
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Re: Question
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 06:18:50 PM »


The State is closing down the districts, remember?


Not closing, "consolidating", a few associations are also going bye bye.
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Re: Question
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 06:20:41 PM »

Where do the Rec teams fit in?  District III always had 3 levels of Rec Divisions...
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Re: Question
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 06:29:41 PM »


The State is closing down the districts, remember?


Not closing, "consolidating", a few associations are also going bye bye.

What I was told was that all the districts were going bye bye and the state was going to communicate directly with the associations.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 06:30:55 PM »

Where do the Rec teams fit in?  District III always had 3 levels of Rec Divisions...

The PLAN was that the State was going to organize and run two statewide "select" leagues and one "Rec" league, in addition to the "State Open" and RCL leagues.
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Re: Question
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 08:05:28 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

State Cups System.
RTCs and ODP.
Provides a certain level of oversite.
Admin - while most of it can be handled differently, the ability to have the state run RMA (background checks).


I would also add they insure ALL of the players in order to play.....not a small thing to do and at a very good cost per player. I'm not sure individual clubs could offer the same cheap cost per player to insure but i may be wrong...without it however your kids would not be playing.

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Re: Question
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 11:06:48 PM »

I would also add they insure ALL of the players in order to play.....not a small thing to do and at a very good cost per player. I'm not sure individual clubs could offer the same cheap cost per player to insure but i may be wrong...without it however your kids would not be playing.

I have been told several times US Club Cards also come with Player Insurance.  Is this true?

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 11:28:34 PM »

I would also add they insure ALL of the players in order to play.....not a small thing to do and at a very good cost per player. I'm not sure individual clubs could offer the same cheap cost per player to insure but i may be wrong...without it however your kids would not be playing.

I have been told several times US Club Cards also come with Player Insurance.  Is this true?

Yes secondary insurance of some sort........secondary means? Probably like most insurance...they pay a tiny bit and you take it up the pipe for the rest?  ;)  I'm not positive on their overall coverages to be honest.
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Re: Question
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 12:32:02 AM »

I believe that both WSYSA and USCS get their insurance through USSF.  It is a requirement for accreditation.  I am not sure if the insurance is the exact same policy, but both are of the "supplemental insurance" nature, and are intended to cover liability more than anything else.  (Or so I have been told by people who deal with that stuff.)


I would also add they insure ALL of the players in order to play.....not a small thing to do and at a very good cost per player. I'm not sure individual clubs could offer the same cheap cost per player to insure but i may be wrong...without it however your kids would not be playing.

I have been told several times US Club Cards also come with Player Insurance.  Is this true?

Yes secondary insurance of some sort........secondary means? Probably like most insurance...they pay a tiny bit and you take it up the pipe for the rest?  ;)  I'm not positive on their overall coverages to be honest.
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Re: Question
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2010, 12:53:54 AM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.   
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2010, 02:52:40 AM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.   


The DoCs at the PDL clubs, particularly the Big Clubs, hated LPTs because those tournaments were performance based.   A team from nowhere, with non-pedigreed players, that were wearing cast off, cobbled together uniforms, with a volunteer coach,  could show that they were better and place in P-1 while the rich team with an A liscense coach who used to play in England, was beaten out and had to play in lower leagues.  It got parents to questioning as to why they were taking out second mortgages to pay the outrageous fees and costs to belong to their club.
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Re: Question
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2010, 03:10:58 AM »

I believe that both WSYSA and USCS get their insurance through USSF.  It is a requirement for accreditation.  I am not sure if the insurance is the exact same policy, but both are of the "supplemental insurance" nature, and are intended to cover liability more than anything else.  (Or so I have been told by people who deal with that stuff.)


I would also add they insure ALL of the players in order to play.....not a small thing to do and at a very good cost per player. I'm not sure individual clubs could offer the same cheap cost per player to insure but i may be wrong...without it however your kids would not be playing.

I have been told several times US Club Cards also come with Player Insurance.  Is this true?

Yes secondary insurance of some sort........secondary means? Probably like most insurance...they pay a tiny bit and you take it up the pipe for the rest?  ;)  I'm not positive on their overall coverages to be honest.

In regards to the insurance.  Both WYS and US Club have insurance.  US Club is part of your player card, and WYS charges a small amount per player.  About 14.00.  The insurance covers anything over your deductible for your primary insurance, after the settlement from the primary insurance, less their deductible.  So if your portion would be 3,000.00 after your insurance pays their portion and your deductible to your primary is 1500.00, your deductible to the secondary is say 500.00, then the secondary would pay 1,000.00.  It's better than nothing and more than a tiny bit if the injury is serious and the bills pile up.
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Re: Question
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2010, 03:20:20 AM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.   


Since your are "fairly new" I'll explain.  A few years back, the big clubs in WA state decided that they didn't want to waste their time playing just anybody who entered into the U13 player pool prior to LPT's.  They claimed that they couldn't properly prepare their teams for tough competition if they dominated a couple of teams in their group.  At the time they were random, and color coded.  Then at U14 everyone went to LPT's where a team was judged by their own success.  This system didn't secure the top clubs a spot in the top league and was stressful.   Some clubs even brought in ringers from younger age groups to make sure they made it  ::)  So Bernie James, Greg Ion, Bobby Howe and some others who I can't remember right now got together and created the PDL.  They not only controlled who could join, but where everyone would be placed, not to mention a hefty paycheck in mandatory DOC job created just for the purpose of insuring that all teams in the PDL were properly trained.  So now there are a ton of teams at each age group in these big clubs, with alot of people paying alot of money and we still don't compete much, if any better than we did at the regional or national level.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2010, 03:29:02 AM »

>>>So now there are a ton of teams at each age group in these big clubs, with alot of people paying alot of money and we still don't compete much, if any better than we did at the regional or national level.<<<

James, Ion, Schumacher, Howe, and their ilk stated that the PDL would make Washington teams more successful at Regionals.  That was their objective criteria that they stated.   OOOOPSS!!!!   Washington has yet to win a Regional title from any PDL age group.   Comparing the limited stats available shows that the PDL has done less well than the old system at Regionals.  So by their own standard, that they chose as the standard, the PDL is a failure.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2010, 10:32:36 AM »

To add on:

However, some of us do believe there does need to be an upper tier of elite competitive play. The argument is whether this is done via clubs or individual teams. Both sides have great arguments, points and are very passionate about their positions. My boys have played both Select and Premier, and honestly we are having great experiences in both. But from an overall view, I suppose I understand how difficult it would be for a team who is not part of the previously mentioned clubs to ever have a shot to play at Regionals. To be fair, I know just like everyone else does that there are some really GREAT teams out there who do not play in the mentioned clubs.

The new RCL was suppose to create those opportunities via the CAP scoring system for the teams who are not part of the big clubs, to be promoted into the upper tier. But what I have been understanding as of late, is that the language in the documents has been recently removed, and again allowing individuals to assess promotion/relegation. This is what strikes a chord with most. The promotion/relegation should be based on performance, and not which club you belong to.

Anyhow, everyone has a different view. We could sit here and play devils advocate all day and night, but until we pressure the decission makers or take our money elsewhere if this is not addressed fairly, than what good does it do to gripe here. This is why many of the "rogue" teams or smaller clubs are folding into US Club Soccer, via the PSPL. They are making a statement so to speak. But even PSPL is starting to show signs of favoring a special few to create that upper tier, based on trying to attract more numbers (players) to gain more voting power at the national level. In the end, we are going to find the good, the bad, and the ugly everywhere. It's just who can you tolerate the most.
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Re: Question
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2010, 11:04:45 AM »

What does WYS offer that US Club does not?  Opportunity to participate in USYSA "regionals"

Major benefits of US Club:  significantly less expensive, flexible rostering, leagues are governed by clubs (control your own destiny) as opposed to administrative body....

The Oregon Youth Soccer Association has for been analyzing its competitor and discussing its economic impact.  Below is copy of OYSA board meeting minutes...

We have lost 15% of our membership between FY 07/08 and 08/09 – approximately 9,100 members.  Portland
Youth Soccer Association withdrew as members for the 09/10 soccer season, representing approximately another
15% loss in membership this year.  The “free” (to our members/member clubs) online registration services to our
clubs (at a cost of approximately $120,000) and the addition of a Technical Director of Coaching in response to
member concerns that the value of our services are not commensurate with the cost has not prevented significant
numbers of clubs from registering their members elsewhere.   
 The reasons for the losses are many, however the emergence of US Club Soccer which offers insurance, registration
w/US Soccer, league sanctioning and background checks for $8.00 to $10.00 (depending on whether player cards
are included) during a time of national economic turmoil is certainly a factor.   
Economic Impact and Recommendations:
34,350 Recreational Players anticipated in FY 09/10
7,300 Competitive Players anticipated in FY 09/10
5,900 Coaches anticipated in FY 09/10
Recreational players are by far the majority of the membership that clubs are registering with US Club Soccer or (in
the case of PYSA) taking independent.  Their programs are largely in-house, or between/among other neighborhood
recreational programs.  Insurance and background checks are the primary “services” these clubs perceive as
desirable, along with, perhaps, coaching education.  There seems to be little interest, or value, in supporting ODP,
Member/Club Services or coaching education (at least at the level we subsidize it).   
Therefore, reducing recreational dues – or more accurately – offering a lower recreational dues option for those not
interested in the other services we commonly provide, would likely have the greatest impact on the problem.   
The projected economic impact of an “OYSA light” option for recreational players assumes every club with a
recreational program would opt for the lower membership dues option.  Undoubtedly some (hopefully many) clubs
would continue to pay $13 per player and receive the full range of services we currently offer.
34,350 players @ $13/player = $446,500
34,350 players @ $10/player = $343,500
This represents $103,000 in less revenue.
 
It is entirely possible we will not get any members back as a result of providing a $10.00 “OYSA Light” option.  If
this is true, and every current recreational program chooses this option, we would have to find a minimum of
$103,000 (through cuts and new revenue sources) next year.   
It is also possible that we will recover a significant number of members who left over the past two years.  If we were
to gain 10,000 new members at the $10/player level, we would receive an additional $100,000 in new revenue. 
However, $67,500 of this would be “passes through” to US Soccer ($1.00/player), US Youth Soccer $1.00/player),
Affinity ($2.25/player) and player insurance ($2.50/player).  Therefore, only $32,500 of discretionary revenue
would be realized by this projected increase in membership.
So the net impact would be a $70,500 loss of revenue.

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Re: Question
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 11:09:40 AM »

<snip>The new RCL was suppose to create those opportunities via the CAP scoring system for the teams who are not part of the big clubs, to be promoted into the upper tier.
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Until the CAP formula is published openly, I will continue to believe that it contains built-in biases for certain clubs, protecting the big clubs from the little guys.
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 12:52:02 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.   


The DoCs at the PDL clubs, particularly the Big Clubs, hated LPTs because those tournaments were performance based.   A team from nowhere, with non-pedigreed players, that were wearing cast off, cobbled together uniforms, with a volunteer coach,  could show that they were better and place in P-1 while the rich team with an A liscense coach who used to play in England, was beaten out and had to play in lower leagues.  It got parents to questioning as to why they were taking out second mortgages to pay the outrageous fees and costs to belong to their club.


I understand this always had the POTENTIAL to happen...   and I always thought this was cool   ...  but in reality, how often did this actually occur?   If you look back to the important initial LPT year (U-14?),  of the eight teams making LPTs, how often was one of them a cinderella like you describe?   In contrast, how often did an A team from the likes of Crossfire/EFC/Royals/FC United?NWN, etc.  NOT make P-1???  If I recall there were ages where some of those clubs even had their B teams in P-1.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2010, 02:01:44 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.   


The DoCs at the PDL clubs, particularly the Big Clubs, hated LPTs because those tournaments were performance based.   A team from nowhere, with non-pedigreed players, that were wearing cast off, cobbled together uniforms, with a volunteer coach,  could show that they were better and place in P-1 while the rich team with an A liscense coach who used to play in England, was beaten out and had to play in lower leagues.  It got parents to questioning as to why they were taking out second mortgages to pay the outrageous fees and costs to belong to their club.


I understand this always had the POTENTIAL to happen...   and I always thought this was cool   ...  but in reality, how often did this actually occur?   If you look back to the important initial LPT year (U-14?),  of the eight teams making LPTs, how often was one of them a cinderella like you describe?   In contrast, how often did an A team from the likes of Crossfire/EFC/Royals/FC United?NWN, etc.  NOT make P-1???  If I recall there were ages where some of those clubs even had their B teams in P-1.

So rather than be about opportunity and dreams .....we should tell kids your only chance is going to a big club? Sorry Rama but regardless of how many small clubs made it to P1 at LPT's, it was the simple fact it was fair to begin with. All teams welcome, all given the chance at their dreams, all on an equal playing field. You're right.....we should say screw them...low class scum clubs. ;)

Personally if you are at all someone who believes in the american dream then you'd  understand the concept of exclusion is just plain wrong. Regardless of how many it's not right. That's like telling Obama he because of race cannot be president....... haven't we advanced as a country or does it not apply to youth soccer?

I coached in a PDL club and NEVER was a supporter of the entire concept because it is 100% based on who you know as a club and not what you can achieve on the field. Yes some of those clubs in the PDL are great on the field, but if that's the case why create a league to keep those lowly small clubs you thump out? To me it's for only one reason.....funnel the cash to the few big clubs by forcing parents and players that strive to play in the highest leagues to go to the only clubs allowed in those leagues.

It was a concept started over beer and pizza with a bunch of guys that frankly can't make a real living any other way. I'm always amazed by how easy it was to get smarter people to hand over their cash to you....just talk status, prestige, and blow a lot of smoke up their @sses..... the checkbook opens pretty easy when you tell them how great they are and their kids.....until you cut them of course.  :drinks:

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Re: Question
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 03:15:23 PM »


I understand this always had the POTENTIAL to happen...   and I always thought this was cool   ...  but in reality, how often did this actually occur?   If you look back to the important initial LPT year (U-14?),  of the eight teams making LPTs, how often was one of them a cinderella like you describe?   In contrast, how often did an A team from the likes of Crossfire/EFC/Royals/FC United?NWN, etc.  NOT make P-1???  If I recall there were ages where some of those clubs even had their B teams in P-1.

It happened often enough to make it significant to some people. 
In 2004 or so when Crossfire put three girls teams into P1 with NWN, FC Royals, Evergreen and someone else.  Eastside, ECFC (P3), FC Alliance, Snohomish (P2),  were out.
That same year ECFC puts two boys teams into P1... and Crossfire was out, settling for P2&3 teams

The PDL started asap.
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Re: Question
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 04:45:36 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

I'm sorry, I can't think of any.  Just bow down to the PDL, thanking them for taking a player(s) your club has spent years developing, never mind the fact that maybe your team is good enough to beat any PDL team on any given day.  I'm fairly new to soccer, but I'll never understand why any level of team placement is driven by overall club success, or lack there of, rather than a particular team's results on the field.  Is it because PDL clubs, with their members shelling out some serious cash for their services, just can't imagine a team with volunteer or minimally compensated coaches actually hanging with them?  I can't help but think soccer in WA is messed up, but maybe that's just the way the world turns with soccer everywhere.  It seems non PDL/RCL clubs are designated as the "minor leagues", even if your club can develop a few teams every year capable of competing at the highest level.  


The DoCs at the PDL clubs, particularly the Big Clubs, hated LPTs because those tournaments were performance based.   A team from nowhere, with non-pedigreed players, that were wearing cast off, cobbled together uniforms, with a volunteer coach,  could show that they were better and place in P-1 while the rich team with an A liscense coach who used to play in England, was beaten out and had to play in lower leagues.  It got parents to questioning as to why they were taking out second mortgages to pay the outrageous fees and costs to belong to their club.


I understand this always had the POTENTIAL to happen...   and I always thought this was cool   ...  but in reality, how often did this actually occur?   If you look back to the important initial LPT year (U-14?),  of the eight teams making LPTs, how often was one of them a cinderella like you describe?   In contrast, how often did an A team from the likes of Crossfire/EFC/Royals/FC United?NWN, etc.  NOT make P-1???  If I recall there were ages where some of those clubs even had their B teams in P-1.

So rather than be about opportunity and dreams .....we should tell kids your only chance is going to a big club? Sorry Rama but regardless of how many small clubs made it to P1 at LPT's, it was the simple fact it was fair to begin with. All teams welcome, all given the chance at their dreams, all on an equal playing field. You're right.....we should say screw them...low class scum clubs. ;)

Personally if you are at all someone who believes in the american dream then you'd  understand the concept of exclusion is just plain wrong. Regardless of how many it's not right. That's like telling Obama he because of race cannot be president....... haven't we advanced as a country or does it not apply to youth soccer?

I coached in a PDL club and NEVER was a supporter of the entire concept because it is 100% based on who you know as a club and not what you can achieve on the field. Yes some of those clubs in the PDL are great on the field, but if that's the case why create a league to keep those lowly small clubs you thump out? To me it's for only one reason.....funnel the cash to the few big clubs by forcing parents and players that strive to play in the highest leagues to go to the only clubs allowed in those leagues.

It was a concept started over beer and pizza with a bunch of guys that frankly can't make a real living any other way. I'm always amazed by how easy it was to get smarter people to hand over their cash to you....just talk status, prestige, and blow a lot of smoke up their @sses..... the checkbook opens pretty easy when you tell them how great they are and their kids.....until you cut them of course.  :drinks:




Please do not let your own history & biases allow you to jump to conclusions when reading what I wrote.   If you've read my posts over the years, you'll see I'm clearly one who preferred the LPT system.  I'm not a defender of the PDL.   I simply stated that while the potential was there, I do not recall many of the cinderella teams making it into P-1.  I think there are plenty of reasons why DOCs prefer being able to set their own leagues than by leaving it to LPTs.
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Re: Question
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2010, 12:13:38 PM »

Can anybody list more than one reason why the Non PDL/RCL clubs should continue to support WYS?

State Cups System.
RTCs and ODP.
Provides a certain level of oversite.
Admin - while most of it can be handled differently, the ability to have the state run RMA (background checks).

can a kid that is on a team that is not playing in a WYS league go to the ODP tryouts?
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Re: Question
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2010, 12:42:40 PM »

I've been told 'yes' although there have been differing opinions on this. The Sounders/WYS ODP program has stated that they are in search of the very best players from every corner of this state. I would think if your kid is good enough and they try out, that they would want that kid. Plain and simple.
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Re: Question
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2010, 12:43:26 PM »

I believes so...If I am correct all you need is WSYSA player card
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Re: Question
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2010, 11:26:37 AM »

Surprised there are no Dos teams, just shows how hard it is to make the finals.  I haven't looked but am sure there are many more teams making semi's in the challenge cups

but they are all PDL clubs,   hmmm.

What do you expect when you take 15 of the top 20 clubs in the state, and then do not let the remaining five play in the same league as the other 15?   Once you start restricting the ability to play the long league seasons with high caliber competition, you stifle the ability of the outsiders to compete effectively.  And then you recruit from the outsiders, pointing out that they do not get the sufficient competition to develop like they would if they were part of the PDL.  Hence, the top players from the outsiders are recruited/migrate onto the PDL teams.
Schumacher was rather straight forward about this when the PDL first started.  It is by design.
And there is a problem with this ??? ??? ???
Gee lets get the best players and try to put them on the best teams.  You sound like the Rec or Select coach trying to keep the best player from going to play Premier.  "You don't need to go there, we can give you all you need here"  :evil:
I think the system works.  Is it the best, no.  But come up with a better system.  
By the way Crush at the 94 age is not in the PDL.  They won State last year and made it to the quarter finals this year.
So let the players go where they want.  Or maybe we can get Obama to appoint a Soccer Czar.  The Czar can regulate the teams movement and tax the PDL teams. He could give EW some money to buy the "good" players and provide them free healthcare.  :laugh:
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I did not feel like retyping this, so I just pulled it from an old post.  
As a reminder, The PDL also moved the Girls U-15 and above to the spring which is something  WSYSA did not want to do at the time.  BM
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Re: Question
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2010, 12:46:27 PM »

I've been told 'yes' although there have been differing opinions on this. The Sounders/WYS ODP program has stated that they are in search of the very best players from every corner of this state. I would think if your kid is good enough and they try out, that they would want that kid. Plain and simple.

Yup, there are currently boys in ODP that play for the Nowheresville Cleat Clickers.
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