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Edson Arantes

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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2010, 11:11:38 AM »

Wow. Really, that's your standard? Forget everyone else, it's only ODP that matters? For all of your posting, in the end that's as far as your standard goes for the money these two are pulling in???


If I recall correctly, your prior arguments about ODP were pretty centered on two areas- the involvement of Eastern Washington players (or lack thereof), and the poor results in the competitions. So, is it better for you because the Sounders solved your Eastern Washington issue by having RTC's? I don't know that the percentage of players on the ODP teams has increased to the levels you thought appropriate, did it?

What about results? Have they had greater results?

Can you define "Big Club politicalization" for me? Are you saying that the clubs somehow manipulated the selection of players? If you are saying that there should be more EW players in the team, doesn't that hint of quotas, which end up being political selections also. "We have to have 4.5 of the players on the roster from EW, because 25%(random % from my backside) of the player population is from EW?"

The improvements to ODP, the RTCs, and removal of the Big Club politicalization of ODP is worth more to me than the entire $12 per kid paid to the state.   And I do not have any kids in ODP.   So in response to your "added value" question, right there is enough.   Schumacher did a lousy job, removing him might have been worth the money alone.


EWDOC, when I asked what added value that they brought that justified the highest salaries, I meant what did they bring to the table different from the previous holders of the position. I think that is a reasonable request when more money is given.

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 They fund TOP Soccer across the state-this program was there prior to these being hired, have they improved it?, , fund Soccer Across Washington this is a program addition implemented by DA's wife, fund a staff that is implementing programs in the schools - this program is a addition, work with the Sounders to create our state teams at a lower cost then ODP ever could - Yes the ODP assocation with the Sounders is new, or perhaps more involved than before, I would like to see the cost differential and what is provided by the Sounders first to determine if this is a benefit to both, just WYS, or just the Sounders (PR),  provide administrative support to their member associations-was there prior to these 2 being hired, have they improved it? , coaching education -was there prior to these 2 being hired, processes were changed, they've charged more per "student" taking each course, but will probably end up with at least 40% fewer "students" instructed in comparison to historical data. , all of which cost $$$.  Could they do it for less, you got me there.  But my question is still of all the $$$ I put out for my kid as a player, that $12 is probably the least of my worries when I add up local association and club costs.  Are you all telling me that all of those dollars are being spent more wisely and productively???  Just asking...and No, I don't work for the state nor get paid for what I do in soccer.- Yes, this is a question to ask, and yes, if your child's coach is not performing to your standards, you either go to the DOC of the club seeking changes, or vote with your feet by moving to another club or team. At the WYS level,if changes aren't made if they are ineffective or not performing to standards, and there is no response from going above them, then there will be more opportunities for outside organizations (e.g. US Club) to garner those who will vote with their feet.

By my way of thinking, if you are going to be paid significantly more, you have to bring more to the table. Are they doing more to increasing the mission of WYS, is the impact about the same as before, or is it worse?

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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2010, 04:29:38 PM »

I never said that it was everything, I simply stated that in and of itself, it was enough to justify every cent paid.  (IMHO).    You asked, and I responded.   Now get your panties out of a bunch and go back to slagging the WSYSA on behalf of your compatriots at Dead Club Walking.

Wow. Really, that's your standard? Forget everyone else, it's only ODP that matters? For all of your posting, in the end that's as far as your standard goes for the money these two are pulling in???


If I recall correctly, your prior arguments about ODP were pretty centered on two areas- the involvement of Eastern Washington players (or lack thereof), and the poor results in the competitions. So, is it better for you because the Sounders solved your Eastern Washington issue by having RTC's? I don't know that the percentage of players on the ODP teams has increased to the levels you thought appropriate, did it?

What about results? Have they had greater results?

Can you define "Big Club politicalization" for me? Are you saying that the clubs somehow manipulated the selection of players? If you are saying that there should be more EW players in the team, doesn't that hint of quotas, which end up being political selections also. "We have to have 4.5 of the players on the roster from EW, because 25%(random % from my backside) of the player population is from EW?"

The improvements to ODP, the RTCs, and removal of the Big Club politicalization of ODP is worth more to me than the entire $12 per kid paid to the state.   And I do not have any kids in ODP.   So in response to your "added value" question, right there is enough.   Schumacher did a lousy job, removing him might have been worth the money alone.


EWDOC, when I asked what added value that they brought that justified the highest salaries, I meant what did they bring to the table different from the previous holders of the position. I think that is a reasonable request when more money is given.

To go with your list:


 They fund TOP Soccer across the state-this program was there prior to these being hired, have they improved it?, , fund Soccer Across Washington this is a program addition implemented by DA's wife, fund a staff that is implementing programs in the schools - this program is a addition, work with the Sounders to create our state teams at a lower cost then ODP ever could - Yes the ODP assocation with the Sounders is new, or perhaps more involved than before, I would like to see the cost differential and what is provided by the Sounders first to determine if this is a benefit to both, just WYS, or just the Sounders (PR),  provide administrative support to their member associations-was there prior to these 2 being hired, have they improved it? , coaching education -was there prior to these 2 being hired, processes were changed, they've charged more per "student" taking each course, but will probably end up with at least 40% fewer "students" instructed in comparison to historical data. , all of which cost $$$.  Could they do it for less, you got me there.  But my question is still of all the $$$ I put out for my kid as a player, that $12 is probably the least of my worries when I add up local association and club costs.  Are you all telling me that all of those dollars are being spent more wisely and productively???  Just asking...and No, I don't work for the state nor get paid for what I do in soccer.- Yes, this is a question to ask, and yes, if your child's coach is not performing to your standards, you either go to the DOC of the club seeking changes, or vote with your feet by moving to another club or team. At the WYS level,if changes aren't made if they are ineffective or not performing to standards, and there is no response from going above them, then there will be more opportunities for outside organizations (e.g. US Club) to garner those who will vote with their feet.

By my way of thinking, if you are going to be paid significantly more, you have to bring more to the table. Are they doing more to increasing the mission of WYS, is the impact about the same as before, or is it worse?

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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2010, 05:39:16 PM »

If WYS is so awash in $$, then why is it refusing to pay the coaches who have been doing coaching education clinics? Some of those invoices for coaches who have done clinics are 3-6 months in arrears.

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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2010, 06:12:34 PM »

If WYS is so awash in $$, then why is it refusing to pay the coaches who have been doing coaching education clinics? Some of those invoices for coaches who have done clinics are 3-6 months in arrears.



All of them, or just particular coaches?
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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2010, 03:52:25 PM »

I know of three different coaches in three different clubs who face this situation.
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Re: Washington Youth Soccer Salaries and Benefits
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2010, 11:45:48 AM »

Who are they?
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