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NW Champions League Underway
« on: August 24, 2010, 08:55:46 PM »

G96:  Crossfire Baumgardt take the Puget Sound Slammers 3-1
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 09:50:01 PM »

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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 11:07:37 PM »

The officiating for the Slammers vs. Crossfire was incredible.  ;D
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2010, 11:08:39 PM »

Not being sarcastic in case people were wondering. A gimpy official with a pulled quad did a great job.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2010, 11:09:11 PM »

The officiating for the Slammers vs. Crossfire was incredible.  ;D

Was that you out there?
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 11:12:41 PM »

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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2010, 11:17:18 PM »

Sorry, but the Blue Arrows are out of their league and will be lucky to earn a point.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2010, 11:22:56 PM »

Did the Blue Arrows earn their spot via PSPL? I am still trying to figure out this new NW Champions League.

Sorry, but the Blue Arrows are out of their league and will be lucky to earn a point.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2010, 11:30:38 PM »

Did the Blue Arrows earn their spot via PSPL? I am still trying to figure out this new NW Champions League.

Sorry, but the Blue Arrows are out of their league and will be lucky to earn a point.

I'm with you on figuring it out.... nothing about the teams or league to me says Champions League. I do not mean it as being disrespectful either, just in the real world we all know what the actual Champions League is and the quality of teams from around the world. This is more like some league some Chumps put to together IMO and they should have named it Chumpions League or even Chimpions League.

All joking aside why not just call it what it is........ Oregon/Washington travel league for more meaningless games and more wear and tear on your kids. Oh and a big fat travel expense in some tough economical times with the added value of playing some decent to good teams.  :drinks:
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 11:44:38 PM »

Dang Squash, why tell it like it is and confuse everyone?   ;D
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 12:34:15 AM »

Dang Squash, why tell it like it is and confuse everyone?   ;D

Sadly typical of the inconsistency shown by WYS officialdom. Driving 170 miles to play teams from a metro area of 2 million is wasteful travel, but driving 270 miles to play teams from an area 1/4 the size (not to mention places even smaller/farther away) is good for us. Why? Because they are on the right side of some political boundary (and in EWDOC's jurisdiction).

I admit to not understanding the Blue Arrows being in the league, and can even agree that teams might be playing too many games. The solution to that problem is cutting back the RCL. The NWCL gives better competition far more efficiently.

 
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 01:06:58 AM »

Dang Squash, why tell it like it is and confuse everyone?   ;D

Sadly typical of the inconsistency shown by WYS officialdom. Driving 170 miles to play teams from a metro area of 2 million is wasteful travel, but driving 270 miles to play teams from an area 1/4 the size (not to mention places even smaller/farther away) is good for us. Why? Because they are on the right side of some political boundary (and in EWDOC's jurisdiction).

I admit to not understanding the Blue Arrows being in the league, and can even agree that teams might be playing too many games. The solution to that problem is cutting back the RCL. The NWCL gives better competition far more efficiently.

 

Your last two sentence IMO is total garbage and completely not the case. You don't really believe half the ridiculous stuff you type do you 3play? I find it funny that some of those involved wanted the state league to go away at the younger ages (started the PDL) because of too much travel and poor competition, yet they think this league is a good idea.

The tangled web just keeps getting bigger and trapping more of you poor parents in it, then you willingly hand them over all your cash and most of the weekends of your life.  :D
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 08:32:21 AM »

The average G96 Power Ranking of the NWCL is 11.  The average G96 Power Ranking of the RCL Div 1 is 10.  Move the Reign out (like they should be) and move Sun City in and the average drops to 7.

It will be interesting though to see if the same team wins both leagues.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2010, 09:00:13 AM »

Prophet,

Yes it was me out there without my gear and injured. I got out of place a couple of times and missed a call or two. (nothing game changing) My AR's were parents from both teams who did fine. I had to tell my one of own daughters to be quiet on a close goal and the player who got the most fouls called on her was my other daughter. First half was close but the Slammers did better and were ahead 1-0. Second half Crossfire pretty much dominated.

All I can say is that if the NW Champions League is supposed to be so good I might suggest that they get some more experienced officials with real equipment on them to officiate. Much as I don't lack for confidence I had no business being out there given the nature and level of the game and my own physical limitations. I did 9 games this past weekend at the South Mason Kickoff and ended up injuring myself in the last game. I would not have done it if the alternative was not our head coach officiating it.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2010, 09:11:43 AM »

@Squash - when you add the total amount of games between NW Champions League and regular Fall season, there will be many games. Yikes!
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 10:51:01 AM »


I admit to not understanding the Blue Arrows being in the league, and can even agree that teams might be playing too many games. The solution to that problem is cutting back the RCL. The NWCL gives better competition far more efficiently.

 

Your last two sentence IMO is total garbage and completely not the case. You don't really believe half the ridiculous stuff you type do you 3play? I find it funny that some of those involved wanted the state league to go away at the younger ages (started the PDL) because of too much travel and poor competition, yet they think this league is a good idea.

The tangled web just keeps getting bigger and trapping more of you poor parents in it, then you willingly hand them over all your cash and most of the weekends of your life.  :D

You seem to be confused. The typical NWCL team is the #3/4 team in Washington. By definition, they don't have a lot of Washington competition. Now, for a couple of  trips to Portland (closer than many Washington locales), they now have a bunch of new opponents. The organizers of the NWCL are attempting to reduce the travel, such as playing most of the interstate games  tournament style. When have we ever seen such consideration of parent/player interests in WYS-run competition?

I can find plenty of details I don't like about the NWCL, but the basic idea is a good one. I suspect you are upset because it is not run by your WYS buddies -i.e. simple pettiness. Now if we want to examine travel insanity, we don't have to look any further than WYS. When you have 40-50 teams in an age group playing in statewide leagues, you are wasting an absurd amount of time and money. Example? How about a division consisting of NWN, Harbor, FCA, EFC, WSA, 3-Rivers, Sun City and Shadow? Must be an elite older age division, right? Nope. GU12 Division 4.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2010, 12:37:28 PM »


I admit to not understanding the Blue Arrows being in the league, and can even agree that teams might be playing too many games. The solution to that problem is cutting back the RCL. The NWCL gives better competition far more efficiently.

 

Your last two sentence IMO is total garbage and completely not the case. You don't really believe half the ridiculous stuff you type do you 3play? I find it funny that some of those involved wanted the state league to go away at the younger ages (started the PDL) because of too much travel and poor competition, yet they think this league is a good idea.

The tangled web just keeps getting bigger and trapping more of you poor parents in it, then you willingly hand them over all your cash and most of the weekends of your life.  :D

You seem to be confused. The typical NWCL team is the #3/4 team in Washington. By definition, they don't have a lot of Washington competition. Now, for a couple of  trips to Portland (closer than many Washington locales), they now have a bunch of new opponents. The organizers of the NWCL are attempting to reduce the travel, such as playing most of the interstate games  tournament style. When have we ever seen such consideration of parent/player interests in WYS-run competition?

I can find plenty of details I don't like about the NWCL, but the basic idea is a good one. I suspect you are upset because it is not run by your WYS buddies -i.e. simple pettiness. Now if we want to examine travel insanity, we don't have to look any further than WYS. When you have 40-50 teams in an age group playing in statewide leagues, you are wasting an absurd amount of time and money. Example? How about a division consisting of NWN, Harbor, FCA, EFC, WSA, 3-Rivers, Sun City and Shadow? Must be an elite older age division, right? Nope. GU12 Division 4.
  There is an older league for the boys - the Western Development College Academy.  Here's the link: http://www.westerncda.com/

Makes you feel that if you're not in this league, how would you be able to play in college???  Seems things are changing for the boys anyway.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2010, 12:48:29 PM »

Prophet,

Yes it was me out there without my gear and injured. I got out of place a couple of times and missed a call or two. (nothing game changing) My AR's were parents from both teams who did fine. I had to tell my one of own daughters to be quiet on a close goal and the player who got the most fouls called on her was my other daughter. First half was close but the Slammers did better and were ahead 1-0. Second half Crossfire pretty much dominated.

All I can say is that if the NW Champions League is supposed to be so good I might suggest that they get some more experienced officials with real equipment on them to officiate. Much as I don't lack for confidence I had no business being out there given the nature and level of the game and my own physical limitations. I did 9 games this past weekend at the South Mason Kickoff and ended up injuring myself in the last game. I would not have done it if the alternative was not our head coach officiating it.

Kudos to you for getting out there and officiating!

Question: How are refs assigned in this league? I'm sure you did fine, but it would seem that having a dad ref his own kids at this level is a bit odd. (Plus, you don't get to enjoy the game as a parent and your kids might go home mad at you.) :drinks:
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2010, 01:48:53 PM »

The average G96 Power Ranking of the NWCL is 11.  The average G96 Power Ranking of the RCL Div 1 is 10.  Move the Reign out (like they should be) and move Sun City in and the average drops to 7.

It will be interesting though to see if the same team wins both leagues.

i think you must have thrown puget sound slammers out of this average since they are way down the rankings compared to the majority of the teams in the NWCL.  the winners of the pspl last year placed in the nwcl are over their heads and it isn't necessarily a fun thing for teams ranked in top ten to play teams ranked #50.  i'm sure teams like sun city or reign are wondering why they aren't in it and a team like puget sound is.  i guess they need to play in the pspl and win to get that last spot or will the board re-evaluate after the season.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2010, 02:03:26 PM »


I admit to not understanding the Blue Arrows being in the league, and can even agree that teams might be playing too many games. The solution to that problem is cutting back the RCL. The NWCL gives better competition far more efficiently.

 

Your last two sentence IMO is total garbage and completely not the case. You don't really believe half the ridiculous stuff you type do you 3play? I find it funny that some of those involved wanted the state league to go away at the younger ages (started the PDL) because of too much travel and poor competition, yet they think this league is a good idea.

The tangled web just keeps getting bigger and trapping more of you poor parents in it, then you willingly hand them over all your cash and most of the weekends of your life.  :D

You seem to be confused. The typical NWCL team is the #3/4 team in Washington. By definition, they don't have a lot of Washington competition. Now, for a couple of  trips to Portland (closer than many Washington locales), they now have a bunch of new opponents. The organizers of the NWCL are attempting to reduce the travel, such as playing most of the interstate games  tournament style. When have we ever seen such consideration of parent/player interests in WYS-run competition?

I can find plenty of details I don't like about the NWCL, but the basic idea is a good one. I suspect you are upset because it is not run by your WYS buddies -i.e. simple pettiness. Now if we want to examine travel insanity, we don't have to look any further than WYS. When you have 40-50 teams in an age group playing in statewide leagues, you are wasting an absurd amount of time and money. Example? How about a division consisting of NWN, Harbor, FCA, EFC, WSA, 3-Rivers, Sun City and Shadow? Must be an elite older age division, right? Nope. GU12 Division 4.
  There is an older league for the boys - the Western Development College Academy.  Here's the link: http://www.westerncda.com/

Makes you feel that if you're not in this league, how would you be able to play in college???  Seems things are changing for the boys anyway.

Just to be clear, I am not claiming that NWCL is the league to play for all ages. I'm sure there is plenty of league competition out there. I'm disputing the counterclaim from the usual WYS shills that their RCL is better - when the exact opposite is the case.

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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2010, 02:18:04 PM »

The home team is responsible for providing the field and the referees for games.
This was in some of the early emails about the league to member teams.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2010, 03:01:30 PM »

Who will referee the games?

That is a real question.  Kudos go Basketball dad for stepping up to the plate to work the game.

We all know that game will be played whether you have a referee there or not.  The two teams are to work it out.  They were lucky in this case to have a liscened referee ready to step up to the plate.  But is sound like (and I could be wrong) that parent were used as AR's to help as well.

This is a weird time for referees.  Many new referees are getting their feet wet as mid and lower level tournaments.  Referees with experience are making a few dollars at slightly higher level tournaments.  While some referees (small %) are working the beginning stages of the college season.  Some of them will also be working the Developement Academy and ENCL games that will be popping up real soon.

I'm in the know and the only reason I know about the NW Champions League is reading it on this site.  I know that there were games played yesterday from a referee standpoint because the games popped up on a referee website just this past weekend. 

One would think that the powers at be would contact the necessary referee hierarchy and get them involved for a league that would lead readers to believe is of a higher caliber.....

Basketballdad, I respect you saying that the game deserves a more experience referee than yourself.   That was mighty big of you.  I'm sure you did a fantastic job.

It's ironic that with the various leagues popping up and the amount of games to be played; that the referees have been forgotton. 

I just hope there is enough to go around. 

Was Basketballdad put into the situation because there were none available or because the rest of us knew hardly anything about the games that were scheduled?

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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2010, 04:28:34 PM »

The average G96 Power Ranking of the NWCL is 11.  The average G96 Power Ranking of the RCL Div 1 is 10.  Move the Reign out (like they should be) and move Sun City in and the average drops to 7.

It will be interesting though to see if the same team wins both leagues.

i think you must have thrown puget sound slammers out of this average since they are way down the rankings compared to the majority of the teams in the NWCL.  the winners of the pspl last year placed in the nwcl are over their heads and it isn't necessarily a fun thing for teams ranked in top ten to play teams ranked #50.  i'm sure teams like sun city or reign are wondering why they aren't in it and a team like puget sound is.  i guess they need to play in the pspl and win to get that last spot or will the board re-evaluate after the season.

ltg,
the most ridiculous thing i have read in a long time is that you actually believe that these rankings are some kind of real thing that a league (of DOCs and coaches) should base anything on.  Do you watch soccer?  Ever seen this team play?  If you think they are #50 and that they would lose 5 of 10 times to say the #10 (not sure who they are right now) you should watch more U14 soccer.  Even Islander knows the rankings are just fun and the calculation is off for sure in many huge ways right now.  Crazy Parent in the right place for sure.  Drinking way too much water at the cooler, hope you don't use these rankings as a basis for good coaching or playing experience for your DD.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2010, 06:39:05 PM »

i have not seen puget sound play this year, i have seen some of the other teams play.  i can only trust that the people who go to the trouble to evaluate the play and do the rankings do so without bias.  i do use rankings or at least how some of our competition does against teams that we've played to figure out how our team would match up.  I have heard from teams who played pss and their thoughts are that they are  out of their league playing against these teams. when you can put your forwards in defense and the defenders as forwards and still play keep away, that's not fun. how  is it they they were placed over more competitive teams when this is suppose to be the top 4-6 teams in washington?  it makes a mockery of the league.  
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2010, 07:18:23 PM »

Question:  Would NWCL exist had Emerald City FC not been kicked out of WYS earlier this year?
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2010, 07:23:59 PM »

Question:  Would NWCL exist had Emerald City FC not been kicked out of WYS earlier this year?

They left WYS, they were not kicked out.  But it's a great question because what happens when the current older teams EC has are gone in a few years?
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2010, 07:32:44 PM »

Question:  Would NWCL exist had Emerald City FC not been kicked out of WYS earlier this year?
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2010, 07:36:24 PM »

EWDOC,

Good one....  Yeah they were never kicked out of WYS, just suspended, with no place for all their kids/teams to play.  I guess they officially left WYS before they were completely banned.  Sort of like quitting after being told you were fired from your job.

Official Press Release SYSA

SYSA Board of Commissioners voted 12-2 to suspend Emerald City FC, one of SYSA's member clubs, at a special meeting called for that purpose.

The SYSA Board's vote follows many months of frustration over ECFC's refusal to abide by the decision of the resolutions and vote of July 9,2009. That vote created a unified select soccer program, including a new select club, Seattle United, that was to oversee all select soccer for U11 to U14 players in SYSA, starting in 2010. Regrettably, ECFC's actions were causing serious harm to SYSA's interests, attempted to circumvent the decision of the SYSA Commissioners, and were causing confusion and distress to many SYSA families and players. The Commissioners felt they had no choice but to suspend ECFC from all participation in SYSA activities for one year before they did further harm to the association and its members.
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2010, 08:38:29 PM »

EWDOC,

Good one....  Yeah they were never kicked out of WYS, just suspended, with no place for all their kids/teams to play.  I guess they officially left WYS before they were completely banned.  Sort of like quitting after being told you were fired from your job.

Official Press Release SYSA

SYSA Board of Commissioners voted 12-2 to suspend Emerald City FC, one of SYSA's member clubs, at a special meeting called for that purpose.

The SYSA Board's vote follows many months of frustration over ECFC's refusal to abide by the decision of the resolutions and vote of July 9,2009. That vote created a unified select soccer program, including a new select club, Seattle United, that was to oversee all select soccer for U11 to U14 players in SYSA, starting in 2010. Regrettably, ECFC's actions were causing serious harm to SYSA's interests, attempted to circumvent the decision of the SYSA Commissioners, and were causing confusion and distress to many SYSA families and players. The Commissioners felt they had no choice but to suspend ECFC from all participation in SYSA activities for one year before they did further harm to the association and its members.


Thank you..this validates my point.  The fact is the club shares the responsibility of it's status, but WYS didn't kick them out, they picked a fight with their own association and lost.  Then they pulled out completely...but at the end of the day, the question still sits out there, with these leagues looking to meet the current needs of one club who has certain teams that need real competition, what happens when these very good older teams are gone?
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Re: NW Champions League Underway
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2010, 08:43:03 PM »

ltg, I am not sure that you have any clue what you are talking about now. You insult a team that has won two leagues, one state cup, went 0-1 loss-3ties against some top California talent. (I asked my daughter to compare Crossifre A and they both said they were very good and better than two of the teams they faced in California and about the same as one and not quite as good as another)  I give Islander some slack because if you are using a computer model that has a number of variables it takes a lot of games before it will work. However, you must be referring to regionals where the Slammers I am told did not do well. Missing the goalie who gave up less goals in two seasons and a state cup than that one tournament and the leading scorer on the team might have changed the complexion of some of the games. ( I would use the same analogy for the recent events with Synergy--they are a top team but had a one tough tournament missing some key players and now they are no good for some reason. I am not buying that either) Having been literally on top of the game yesterday I can honestly say Crossifire was the better team no question. They are very talented especially their foot skills. Were they that much better like you suggest no. I have seem Slammers play NWN Red in a friendly and lose 1-0. I have seen the Slammers beat Synergy in a tough game and beat Crossfire Black easily. I have yet to see a single team that did what you suggest. I can only go by what I have seen personally and your analysis is so far off it defies logic. Here is the mockery, if you beat a team you are better than they are. If you lose to a team you are not better than they are until you beat them next time. I know the simplicity of this escapes most but that is why Crossfire A is better than the Slammers and Crossfire B is not. That may be one thing that high school sports has over club soccer. If you win more games you are the winner. There is no cap, no seeding, no mystery numerical formula except the team that wins is better.

Finally, as far as officiating, I was told it was the NW Champions League's fault there were no officials. I don't know the truth of it. I did fine because I have coached for 20 years, and officiated something for 15. Soccer is my newest sport so I can manage a game. Should I be there, no way. I just got through officiating rec and select teams and really have not done centering in premier games. ( I did AR a few). Did I handle the job, yes. Should I be out there no way. I over compensated forhaving daughters on one  team and did call more fouls on my aggressive daughter than her Crossfire counterpart. I did have two parents helping me. They did fine for their position but like me had no business being there. I got to hear for most of the car ride home from my goalie daughter how the goal that changed the complexion of the game was not a goal. (hit the crossbar slightly on the side and bounced down, it was close and almost on the line, the AR from the Slammers agreed with me but he was out of position also) So now I I got the pleasure of not getting to root for my daughters, not being the best person for the job, and getting to hear how I screwed up the call that changed the game the whole ride home.

Throw in how I built my whole club basketball schedule around the NW league and then they changed some games recently that conflict. Finally throw in that we have not been given any home and away schedules from the PSPL and games start in two weeks and I can tell you soccer has dropped down my depth chart something fierce.Add in the politics of who can play in what league and what state cup and you have what we call in the sporting world a cluster that I have never seen in any other sport.

The only good news is my son's high school football season is about to start, my daughters AAU basketball team is ready to compete in a high school fall league, and Jake Locker and the Huskies are going to surprise some people. Now I feel better.  :drinks:
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