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[xfireisland]

GU14 PSPL Fall SUPER League Schedule is out, still know Championship league.  Crossfire Farzeen did not make it into the Super League ! Bummer 


GU14 Fall SUPER League teams

01. Saprissa Purple   
02. CB United 96 Navy   
03. Cascade FC G96 Green (WA) 
04. ISC Arsenal GU14 Red 96 Lockwood
05. Synergy FC 96 Orange (WA) 
06. BIFC '96 Blue   
07. MVP Marauders 96 Navy (WA)   
08. PSS G96 Black   
09. SSC Elite Jasso 
10. River City Reign   
11. FC Crush 96 sky (WA)   
12. Sting (ID)   
13. Emerald City F96 Green (

[soccer45girls]

Interesting to see an Idaho team in there. Does that mean travel to Idaho, or are games played in the Sound area always? Not familiar with the league, so I'm curious. Looks like some great talent in the mix and some exciting matchups!

[EWDOC]

How does one decide on who plays in "Super" vs "Championship" vs "Copa" leagues?

[bigb]

Copa looks like B/C teams and Rec Teams... Not sure how they did the Champ and The Super league, maybe it is based on last years records ?

[bigb]

Championship league is now posted...
http://www.pugetsoundpremierleague.com/schedules/Fall2010/27683713.html

Couple things...Great job PSPL on scheduling all east of the Mt teams to play each other in December in the Super League.

That's to bad Crossfire Farzeen is not playing in the Super league...I think they could hang with a lot of the teams in this league.  Most of these Super league teams played together in District 3 in 2008.

[peteyboy]

Question for bigb.  Synergy FC 96 Orange is also listed on the State League schedule.  Assume you're not playing in both leagues, or do you have 3 (and 4) game weekends planned?

[goldengoal]

I could be way off base, but it seems to me that the PSPL seems to be the better option for teams than the state league without the PDL. The number of teams and competition seems much better. The state should outsource their leagues to PSPL or Districts as they seem to do a better job at a lower cost

[soccer45girls]

You're right, bigb. They did do a nice job of scheduling with regard to travel across the pass. 

[EWDOC]

You're right, bigb. They did do a nice job of scheduling with regard to travel across the pass.  

Ummm, are we looking at the same schedules, all I see is required East/West and West/East travel.  So what's the difference between this and the state leagues in regards to travel???

[bigb]

I was talking about December...Were they kept all the eastern and Western teams on their side of the Mt.   Synergy does travel to Idaho in 1st week in November, but it should be fun...never been to Idaho  

[fourflags]

How does one decide on who plays in "Super" vs "Championship" vs "Copa" leagues?

a noble concept based upon the quality of the team. "The Puget Sound Premier League believes fundamentally in open competition and promotion/relegation."

[fourflags]

You're right, bigb. They did do a nice job of scheduling with regard to travel across the pass.  

Ummm, are we looking at the same schedules, all I see is required East/West and West/East travel.  So what's the difference between this and the state leagues in regards to travel???

Look closer. Only two weekend of travel for east side teams. Washington Youth has four to five for every age.

[NKSoccerFan]

The PSPL seems to have made an effort to group the cross-state travel.
So, you make a weekend out of it and get two games in during one trip.
As I understand, WYS leaves that up to the teams to re-arrange their schedules to work it out.

[EWDOC]

You're right, bigb. They did do a nice job of scheduling with regard to travel across the pass.  

Ummm, are we looking at the same schedules, all I see is required East/West and West/East travel.  So what's the difference between this and the state leagues in regards to travel???

Look closer. Only two weekend of travel for east side teams. Washington Youth has four to five for every age.

If you look at the BU11 - BU12 Super leagues, I see more then two weekends of travel.  I didn't bother to look at the rest, but as in any league, it depends on who is in the division.  State league also, doubles up trips over weekends, not a new concept by any means.  Someone's been drinking the Kool-Aid...

But no one actually explained to me how the divisions are figured out and I really was interested in that.  The "noble concept" answer comes from someone who clearly has no clue either, so maybe someone else can chime in?

[Soccer Wonk]

Maybe this will help shed some light on how these first-year placements were doled out. From the PSPL site:

    *  SUPER LEAGUE STANDARDS: Entrance into the PSPL’s top league depends on clubs meeting certain standards. These stricter standards do not apply to Championship and Copa leagues. They include:
          o Affiliation with a recognized club.
          o Clubs must have a Coaching Director with a minimum “C” License or what competition committee deems to be equivalent coaching credentials and experience. Clubs have 18 months for DOC to earn a ``C’’ license and then begin working for a ``B’’ license, or its NSCAA or European and South American equivalent.
          o NSCAA Director of Coaching certificate also suffices until earning ``B’’ license.
          o Club must be composed of a minimum of five teams.
          o Club must produce a recognized player development plan and/or demonstrate a track record of quality player development and/or  a history of competitive excellence.
          o Clubs must meet minimum field expectations. Super League matches must be played on quality turf or grass fields. Home team must provide a referee and linesmen.
          o All of these factors will be considered when evaluating teams that want to play in the Super League.

    * COMPETITION COMMITTEE: This committee determines league placement, league standards and the laws of the game for the various leagues. The committee consists of five representatives, including the league technical director, who heads the committee. Representatives of PSPL clubs that have a minimum one-year history with the club are eligible to seek appointment to the committee. The president, or executive director, shall appoint committee members.

 

[EWDOC]

Thanks Soccer Wonk,

I guess since the Cobra Strike are in the Super League and don't meet most of the requirements that this is just fluff to compete with   Don't get me wrong, Cobra Strike might be the best D6 BU12 team period, but clearly don't meet the requirements.  Amazingly the Wenatchee Fire has several Super League and the Elite do not, so is the committee saying that the Fire are superior to the Elite? 

I really am asking because I'm always looking at how other leagues do things to see what I might be able to do to improve our league in D6.  We relegate and promote due to performance of the previous season, not just year and always have.  Our U11s for our top division are to be placed accordingly by the clubs as new teams, but can be relagated going into Spring season regardless.

Anyway, I'm just looking for some honest answers on this league, because I'm not getting it. 

[ponyup101]

Thanks Soccer Wonk,

I guess since the Cobra Strike are in the Super League and don't meet most of the requirements that this is just fluff to compete with   Don't get me wrong, Cobra Strike might be the best D6 BU12 team period, but clearly don't meet the requirements.  Amazingly the Wenatchee Fire has several Super League and the Elite do not, so is the committee saying that the Fire are superior to the Elite? 

I really am asking because I'm always looking at how other leagues do things to see what I might be able to do to improve our league in D6.  We relegate and promote due to performance of the previous season, not just year and always have.  Our U11s for our top division are to be placed accordingly by the clubs as new teams, but can be relagated going into Spring season regardless.

Anyway, I'm just looking for some honest answers on this league, because I'm not getting it. 

One thing I like about PSPL over D6 is their abilty to get a schedule out in a timely fashion.  D6 said 3 weeks prior to the first game but we are still waiting.

[ponyup101]

Thanks Soccer Wonk,

I guess since the Cobra Strike are in the Super League and don't meet most of the requirements that this is just fluff to compete with   Don't get me wrong, Cobra Strike might be the best D6 BU12 team period, but clearly don't meet the requirements.  Amazingly the Wenatchee Fire has several Super League and the Elite do not, so is the committee saying that the Fire are superior to the Elite? 

I really am asking because I'm always looking at how other leagues do things to see what I might be able to do to improve our league in D6.  We relegate and promote due to performance of the previous season, not just year and always have.  Our U11s for our top division are to be placed accordingly by the clubs as new teams, but can be relagated going into Spring season regardless.

Anyway, I'm just looking for some honest answers on this league, because I'm not getting it. 

One thing I like about PSPL over D6 is their abilty to get a schedule out in a timely fashion.  D6 said 3 weeks prior to the first game but we are still waiting.

EWDOC,  are you saying in general that Wentachee has teams in the Super league and Elite does not?  U-13 G Elite has 2 teams in the Super division and Wenatchee has 1 in the championship league.  Looks like it was done on a case by case basis.

[fourflags]

You're right, bigb. They did do a nice job of scheduling with regard to travel across the pass.  

Ummm, are we looking at the same schedules, all I see is required East/West and West/East travel.  So what's the difference between this and the state leagues in regards to travel???

Look closer. Only two weekend of travel for east side teams. Washington Youth has four to five for every age.

If you look at the BU11 - BU12 Super leagues, I see more then two weekends of travel.  I didn't bother to look at the rest, but as in any league, it depends on who is in the division.  State league also, doubles up trips over weekends, not a new concept by any means.  Someone's been drinking the Kool-Aid...

But no one actually explained to me how the divisions are figured out and I really was interested in that.  The "noble concept" answer comes from someone who clearly has no clue either, so maybe someone else can chime in?

Three weekends for the cobra strike, still more trips in WYS. EWDOC spins the information. WYS Kool Aid drinker  How far for wenatchee to spokane? Would the Seattle games be closer? 

How many trips are the State League teams making from Spokane EWDOC?

[fourflags]

I guess since the Cobra Strike are in the Super League and don't meet most of the requirements that this is just fluff to compete with   Don't get me wrong, Cobra Strike might be the best D6 BU12 team period, but clearly don't meet the requirements. 

More WYS spins from EWDOC. What requirements do cobra strike not meet?

[ponyup101]

Thanks Soccer Wonk,

I guess since the Cobra Strike are in the Super League and don't meet most of the requirements that this is just fluff to compete with   Don't get me wrong, Cobra Strike might be the best D6 BU12 team period, but clearly don't meet the requirements.  Amazingly the Wenatchee Fire has several Super League and the Elite do not, so is the committee saying that the Fire are superior to the Elite? 
I really am asking because I'm always looking at how other leagues do things to see what I might be able to do to improve our league in D6.  We relegate and promote due to performance of the previous season, not just year and always have.  Our U11s for our top division are to be placed accordingly by the clubs as new teams, but can be relagated going into Spring season regardless.

Anyway, I'm just looking for some honest answers on this league, because I'm not getting it. 

One thing I like about PSPL over D6 is their abilty to get a schedule out in a timely fashion.  D6 said 3 weeks prior to the first game but we are still waiting.

EWDOC,  are you saying in general that Wentachee has teams in the Super league and Elite does not?  U-13 G Elite has 2 teams in the Super division and Wenatchee has 1 in the championship league.  Looks like it was done on a case by case basis.

In doing more research I can't find one instance where there is a Wenatchee team in the Super Division and an Elite in the Championship division.  What was the basis for your complaint?  The premise for your observation was not honest.

There is not one case where the committee said the Fire team was better than the Elite team.

No one cares that you don't like the PSPL but you should come up with some valid points as to why you think the WYS is better organized.  Oh, I just checked.  Still no schedules!!!

[EWDOC]

ponyup101

I'll accept the dig at being late.  Until I took over about two years ago, the schedule was never out till two weeks before the season.  We work hard to get it to 3 weeks prior.  But this year we have almost 170 teams which has presented it's challenges.  Plus, we typically don't just release pairings, we release a completed schedule with fields/dates/times.  If we are not ready to do this on Monday, we'll release it anyway.  I suppose if I had the same amount as PSPL, I could get the schedule out a month in advance.  But you would have to know what goes into a schedule as big as ours and spread out as far as ours is, to understand the work that goes into it.

Clearly I was wrong when I looked over the schedule in regards to Elite and Fire, not sure what I saw now.  Again, Not complaining, I was just wondering how this was determined.  I don't favor one over the other, just still looking for how PSPL decides on who goes where.  Since they are both in Super, then again my question was a simple one, why?  But that goes for all of the teams, not just our EW teams.  Among all of the rhetoric, I saw the word "committee" so is that who decides?  How do they figure this out for teams that haven't played with them previously? 

My comment about the Cobra is simple.  I think they are the best team from our district at their age and should play in the Super division, but according to the requirements that Soccer Wonk found, they don't qualify.  Their club doesn't have a competive history, no qualified DOC, so not sure how they meet these specific expectations.  

easternwashington, glad to see you back.  

[Hit_the_Heifer]

EWDOC:  My understanding is that each Club registered its team at the level it believed appropriate.  At least that is what happened at one Club with which I am intimately familiar.  Only one of my club's teams was moved, and that was because age group was combined.

[fourflags]

ponyup101

I'll accept the dig at being late.  Until I took over about two years ago, the schedule was never out till two weeks before the season.  We work hard to get it to 3 weeks prior.  But this year we have almost 170 teams which has presented it's challenges.  Plus, we typically don't just release pairings, we release a completed schedule with fields/dates/times.  If we are not ready to do this on Monday, we'll release it anyway.  I suppose if I had the same amount as PSPL, I could get the schedule out a month in advance.  But you would have to know what goes into a schedule as big as ours and spread out as far as ours is, to understand the work that goes into it.

Clearly I was wrong when I looked over the schedule in regards to Elite and Fire, not sure what I saw now.  Again, Not complaining, I was just wondering how this was determined.  I don't favor one over the other, just still looking for how PSPL decides on who goes where.  Since they are both in Super, then again my question was a simple one, why?  But that goes for all of the teams, not just our EW teams.  Among all of the rhetoric, I saw the word "committee" so is that who decides?  How do they figure this out for teams that haven't played with them previously? 

My comment about the Cobra is simple.  I think they are the best team from our district at their age and should play in the Super division, but according to the requirements that Soccer Wonk found, they don't qualify.  Their club doesn't have a competive history, no qualified DOC, so not sure how they meet these specific expectations.  

easternwashington, glad to see you back.  

Number of teams in State League or PSPL? Over 170 teams?

EWDOC PSPL have relegation and promotion. "We relegate and promote due to performance of the previous season, not just year and always have."  You have it, why not statewide? Why would a team need to play in PSPL to determine the quality of the team?

How does Cobras' club have no competitive history? Cobras' website coach has a C license, maybe using him as DoC? "I think they are the best team from our district at their age and should play in the Super division" Good thing they are not in state or no RCL for them, but Sun City, Shadow, and Three Rivers. Good system you have.

[EWDOC]

EWDOC:  My understanding is that each Club registered its team at the level it believed appropriate.  At least that is what happened at one Club with which I am intimately familiar.  Only one of my club's teams was moved, and that was because age group was combined.

Thanks, this is what I'm looking for...performance vs input, that kind of thing.  So after this fall, with your teams in the Super division, do they get to stay there for both fall and spring regardless of record or will teams that don't do well get relegated to Championship division for the Spring season?  Just trying to figure out if we should consider the same thing in our district league or if we should continue to relegate each season (which I think gives teams a better chance to play like vs like teams).  I'm always leary of club's placing teams, but we do have that at U11 as well.

And for our negative poster who makes up what ever he/she wants, it's 170 teams in the District 6 league, each team playing 10 games in just 8 weeks.  I don't work for the state, so not sure what they do.  And no, Cobra team's club has no official DOC.  And what does it matter if state or PSPL, neither is RCL so either way they are playing lower competition.  I was just wondering if the PSPL committee placed this team on the history of it's one year in existence or not and ignored the criteria they were proposing.  I find it hilarious that the PSPL supporters hate the RCL, but yet put out a "Club" criteria for their own Super league that looks similar to the criteria that the RCL has. 

[Left Foot]

EWDOC:  My understanding is that each Club registered its team at the level it believed appropriate.  At least that is what happened at one Club with which I am intimately familiar.  Only one of my club's teams was moved, and that was because age group was combined.

Thanks, this is what I'm looking for...performance vs input, that kind of thing.  So after this fall, with your teams in the Super division, do they get to stay there for both fall and spring regardless of record or will teams that don't do well get relegated to Championship division for the Spring season?  Just trying to figure out if we should consider the same thing in our district league or if we should continue to relegate each season (which I think gives teams a better chance to play like vs like teams).  I'm always leary of club's placing teams, but we do have that at U11 as well.

And for our negative poster who makes up what ever he/she wants, it's 170 teams in the District 6 league, each team playing 10 games in just 8 weeks.  I don't work for the state, so not sure what they do.  And no, Cobra team's club has no official DOC.  And what does it matter if state or PSPL, neither is RCL so either way they are playing lower competition.  I was just wondering if the PSPL committee placed this team on the history of it's one year in existence or not and ignored the criteria they were proposing.  I find it hilarious that the PSPL supporters hate the RCL, but yet put out a "Club" criteria for their own Super league that looks similar to the criteria that the RCL has. 

  Me too!

Everything that rises, must converge...

[EWDOC]

Thanks Lefty, I sure picked up a lot of negative points on this post.  All I wanted to know is how they evaluate teams and it turned into this...But glad I'm not the only one to notice the hypocitical stance they are taking.

[Hit_the_Heifer]

Thanks, this is what I'm looking for...performance vs input, that kind of thing.  So after this fall, with your teams in the Super division, do they get to stay there for both fall and spring regardless of record or will teams that don't do well get relegated to Championship division for the Spring season?  Just trying to figure out if we should consider the same thing in our district league or if we should continue to relegate each season (which I think gives teams a better chance to play like vs like teams).  I'm always leary of club's placing teams, but we do have that at U11 as well.

And for our negative poster who makes up what ever he/she wants, it's 170 teams in the District 6 league, each team playing 10 games in just 8 weeks.  I don't work for the state, so not sure what they do.  And no, Cobra team's club has no official DOC.  And what does it matter if state or PSPL, neither is RCL so either way they are playing lower competition.  I was just wondering if the PSPL committee placed this team on the history of it's one year in existence or not and ignored the criteria they were proposing.  I find it hilarious that the PSPL supporters hate the RCL, but yet put out a "Club" criteria for their own Super league that looks similar to the criteria that the RCL has. 

I cannot answer your questions regarding relegation, promotion, etc.  Lack information.  Would prefer to see relegation/promotion at the conclusion of fall season.  For what its worth, I think you (District 6) have it right on this count.

With regard to leeriness to trust DOCs, it is misplaced.  You should be leery of trusting parent volunteers who "run" many of the smaller eastern Washington clubs, but DOCs at Elite, CBU, River City, Dinaro at Cobras, etc., know how to rank/rate/place teams.

[EWDOC]

Heifer,

Interesting last statement...what clubs are run by volunteers that can't give good input on the placement of teams?  Why this shot?

I actually do agree with you that input from the club DOCs is a good idea for new teams entering a league.  Not sure why you think I don't because I don't think I have said otherwise anywhere on this post.  My point is if this is the way they are handling it, I just wanted to know.  That's how we do it for new clubs in our league as well. 

I just wanted to know which is which, are they sticking to the club criteria or working off of DOC input only.  And again, Dinero is not the DOC, he's the coach. 

[xfireisland]

I see that Synergy 96 dropped out of the PSPL Super GU14 Schedule     Where did they go?