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Author Topic: NWCL Update for Girls U-12 through U-14: Stretch Run to Get Into the Final Four  (Read 6809 times)

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Why is it that the U12 girls have been decided but not the U13 girls? If the fact that there were 2 different sets of tie breaker rules affecting the U13 girls then why isn't it affecting the U12 girls? The rule where it stated "most wins in your conference" could have potentially sent Onyx over NWN. Is it because the two U13 teams are both from Washington?

I really do not think the rules matter anymore.  NWCL is simply going to pick the teams that move on. 
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I see that at the U-13 level the FWU Reign 97 Purple and Eastside FC 97 Red teams both finished with identical W-D-L records of 6-4-1. So, the question appears to be what is the determining tie-breaker criteria that will separate the two teams in order to decide the wildcard for that age group.

One place on the NWCL website appeared to show that fewest goals allowed was the higher determining criteria for the tiebreaker, but another place (Section 304) had goal differential listed as being the higher determining criteria. My guess is that to be fair to both teams there is some competitive method being used to determine which of the two teams emerges as the U-13 girls wildcard.

But as to the question of the wildcard for the girls U-12 division, futbol123 fails to realize/acknowledge/accept that the THUSC Onyx did not and could not reach 8 wins in order to tie for the "most wins" tiebreaker criteria with the NWN G98 Red team. The "most wins" tiebreaker was always listed in both places on the NWCL website as the next highest determining criteria following the head-to-head tiebreaker. The Onyx and NWN G98 Red had tied during NWCL play. The Onyx managed 6 wins and 4 draws in its 10 games with its final NWCL game against the Crossfire 98A team not having been played. The NW Nationals G98 Red team played all 11 scheduled league games and finished with 8 wins, 1 draw, and 2 losses. The 4 draws that Onyx achieved equate to 8 points that it left on the table. As Coach Pele noted in an above post, the determination of the wildcard at the U-12 girls level is very clear. Unless, I suppose, futbol123 refuses to accept that the Onyx simply did not win enough of its games to advance to the Final Four.
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futbol123

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No it was never clear that is why this is all such a mess now. League rules stated "most wins in your conference". You can't accept both rules for one age group and not for another. Well, apparently you can but that's not how it should be. Let's be real here the NWCL has been geared for Washington this entire time. Look at the website. There is really no mention of Oregon teams, no Oregon pictures, and Oregon has never been on the front page. It talks about Crossfire, WPFC, Eastside, etc but never Oregon. I can't understand this as Washington did not dominate the league in every age group and with less Oregon teams next year that will benefit all of us.

I know Onyx will not get into the semi's that is fine with me. I know they deserved it and I know next year will be different. I have nothing but respect for the Washington teams and I am excited to play them in the future. I guess my issue is that there are some people on here that pretend to not see the issues with the schedules and tie breakers. If it benefits them then they are happy or are able to justify it. I have to admit that I have met some wonderful people on here that agree that some Oregon teams got the short end of the stick and I am grateful for that. I mean, really, how can you even have a league where teams in the same division don't play the same teams?
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No it was never clear that is why this is all such a mess now. League rules stated "most wins in your conference". You can't accept both rules for one age group and not for another. Well, apparently you can but that's not how it should be. Let's be real here the NWCL has been geared for Washington this entire time. Look at the website. There is really no mention of Oregon teams, no Oregon pictures, and Oregon has never been on the front page. It talks about Crossfire, WPFC, Eastside, etc but never Oregon. I can't understand this as Washington did not dominate the league in every age group and with less Oregon teams next year that will benefit all of us.

I know Onyx will not get into the semi's that is fine with me. I know they deserved it and I know next year will be different. I have nothing but respect for the Washington teams and I am excited to play them in the future. I guess my issue is that there are some people on here that pretend to not see the issues with the schedules and tie breakers. If it benefits them then they are happy or are able to justify it. I have to admit that I have met some wonderful people on here that agree that some Oregon teams got the short end of the stick and I am grateful for that. I mean, really, how can you even have a league where teams in the same division don't play the same teams?

Wow...lol...some folks just don't get it...The NWCL does not have some literary staff geared to provide information only concerning WA State teams...Information reported on the NWCL site is provided from INDIVIDUAL representatives from each participating member team/club...If you only saw narratives about a few clubs then the blame goes to the coaches and managers for the Oregon/WA teams that are not providing the "write ups" or information about their individual team/club.  To say the league was geared towards WA state is just an untrue statement.  
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I know for a fact our DOC actually sent in many, many requests for Oregon information and it never happened. Our club has since filed a complaint so hopefully next year things will be better.
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I know Onyx will not get into the semi's that is fine with me. I know they deserved it and I know next year will be different. I have nothing but respect for the Washington teams and I am excited to play them in the future. I guess my issue is that there are some people on here that pretend to not see the issues with the schedules and tie breakers. If it benefits them then they are happy or are able to justify it. I have to admit that I have met some wonderful people on here that agree that some Oregon teams got the short end of the stick and I am grateful for that. I mean, really, how can you even have a league where teams in the same division don't play the same teams?

The whole point of the league is to generate interstate play, not create perfectly even seasons.  And the time to complain about the rules and schedules is before the season starts, not after it is over!

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that there will be a next year. Even though personally I like the idea of the league, my sense is that the majority of the big Washington clubs will reluctantly participate if it is there, but their first choice would be to kill it off.
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I know for a fact our DOC actually sent in many, many requests for Oregon information and it never happened. Our club has since filed a complaint so hopefully next year things will be better.

I don't think you understand...DOC's don't send in a request for someone to go out and GENERATE Oregon information...All NWCL teams had the OPPORTUNITY to submit achievement articles and photos that would be displayed on the website...If any team submitted anything and it wasn't put up immediately all they needed to do was contact a NWCL rep and ask why.  Also keep in mind the people who run the site are not paid.  The site IMO is primarily  for standings and to allow competing teams to communicate with one another.  I don't think it was ever meant to be an ESPN-like site.  Its not like reporters are at the games...If something is reported it has to come from the team itself in a format that would pretty much be cut-n-paste.

Your DOC's time is probably better spent developing players and not worrying about an article that wasn't posted on the NWCL site...Just my .02.
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There really has not seemed to be any benefit for Washington teams from the NWCL, and it flies in the face of the stated rationale for the RCL.  And it is against the USYSA dictates about the ratio of practice to games, and about their view of "too many meaningless games".
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The grfc was played with players in different positions/formations and everyone getting a lot of playing time, not to concerned with must win. Saying that thusc were the better team on the day and deserved there win. Just as the tied game in Oregon proved two good teams on one field.


Just checking did xfire have their full team for the NWCL final?  Or were you playing different postions/formation again?
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