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[EWSoccer64]

It is definitely a racket.    And it is spreading.   In a major city up here, there was a conglomoration of USCS teams that were operating under a combined umbrella organization that would secure fields and so on.   It was recently discovered that the umbrella organization was renting the fields for $5 from the city and charging $70.   This was a for-profit USCS operation.   Now most of the teams are looking for someone else to affiliate with.  And the city is raising its rates to about $70.   Yes, the leadership of the USCS umbrella operation appears to have taken home the money.

There are more and more rackets going on in youth soccer all the time.   I wonder what it next?
And in USCS, there is an institutional lack of oversite and lack of redress.   

[Norcalvisitor]

So the city responded by charging what the market was bearing, not knowing the players were having it forced on them?  that wasn't very nice.

Here are some WCDA/Northwestern Champions LLC/Vision Marketing guesstimates:

WCDA has approximately 100 teams of boys U15-U18 from 6 western states.  Avg. membership:  $159, 18-man rosters (but some are higher):  Total membership = $286,200

Teams attend an average of 3 showcases with an entrance fee of $1000 (Vegas was $1050 in March) and only play other WCDA teams (exclusivity and no relegation in WCDA):  Total tournament entrance fees:  $300,000

Total income estimate:  $586,200

WCDA expenses:  Website:  $50k for startup, logos, Demposphere site
Tournaments:  Need some actual tournament director's numbers, but I am guessing $20,000 each for a total cost of $80,000
Admin/bookkeeper:  $20,000
Total expenses:  $150,000

Profit:  $436,200  to WCDA/Northwestrn Champions LLC - this profit is used for what?  It is a for profit company.  A league normally costs about $30 per player.

I offer to anyone to fix up my guesses where they are off and add missed items.

[EWSoccer64]

I think that your estimates for the website are rather high.   I could buy a $20,000 number, but $50,000 would mean that someone else is getting their nest feathered.

Tournaments normally are run by a local person or club.  I doubt that the WCDA gets all the revenue from these.   Perhaps a small % for endorsing.

Are you claiming that Northwest Champions LLC, or the Northwest Champions League, or Vision Marketing actually have any part in the WCDA?  I ahd thought that except for the NW Champs LLC with NWCL, all were unrelated.

[Brat Jr]

All this is giving me a headache!

Frankly, if you knew CD, you wouldn't be saying he is not in it for the kids. The man puts more VOLUNTEER hours into WPFC than anybody. President and any other position he can do to help, is volunteered.

As for Greg Ion and his company using WPFC fields for the College showcase....
Did you know that Greg was/is paying a fee to WPFC for the use of the fields?

[EWSoccer64]

All this is giving me a headache!

Frankly, if you knew CD, you wouldn't be saying he is not in it for the kids. The man puts more VOLUNTEER hours into WPFC than anybody. President and any other position he can do to help, is volunteered.

As for Greg Ion and his company using WPFC fields for the College showcase....
Did you know that Greg was/is paying a fee to WPFC for the use of the fields?

Charlie Dent is a practicing lawyer, and he may have left his name as a "placeholder' in the company formation documents and counted on it being replaced by someone else.  Yes, he has given alot to youth soccer over the years.   However, this looks extroardinarily bad.   And it was his responsibility to make sure that his name did not stay on the company documents if he was not going to be involved.
Further, as President of WPFC, it was his responsibility to inform the board as to what was going on with NW Champions LLC and NW Champions League, if he knew or suspected.  And it is hard to see based on the evidence - documents that he apparently prepared - how he could not.   If, against current evidence, he did not prepare the legal docs and use his name as a placeholder, then the situation turns much, much worse.

And yes, Greg Ion has rented the fields from the association.   For a fraction of what he profits from the tournament.   While using many other association resources, including volunteers, as well.   And for a while, he was not even renting the fields, from what I was told.

Sorry Brat, I have to disagree with you all down the line here.   If Dent's many many years of honorable service to the kdis playing soccer have given him the idea that he deserves a taste fo the cream, then he has been around too long.

[Norcalvisitor]

I think that your estimates for the website are rather high.   I could buy a $20,000 number, but $50,000 would mean that someone else is getting their nest feathered.

Tournaments normally are run by a local person or club.  I doubt that the WCDA gets all the revenue from these.   Perhaps a small % for endorsing.

Are you claiming that Northwest Champions LLC, or the Northwest Champions League, or Vision Marketing actually have any part in the WCDA?  I ahd thought that except for the NW Champs LLC with NWCL, all were unrelated.

Yes, our forms indicate the connection.  Several people on this forum seem to know about Vision Marketing and how Ion is connected.  I did inflate the expenses [in my estimates of income/expense above].  The showcase tournaments are part of the mix because in Las Vegas it is a WCDA founding club hosting it.  It was mentioned that Vision Marketing holds a tournament but I do not know what it is, is it WCDA related or is there a WCDA bracket in attendance?


Here is the address:  WCDA ? 7350 Cirque Dr. W, Suite 201 ? University Place, WA 98467

Here is from the Waiver form:

WAIVER, ASSUMPTION OF RISK & AGREEMENT TO PARTICIPATE
Club Name: (please print) ____________________________________ Age Group (circle one):
Participant’s Name: (please print) ______________________________ U-15 U-16 U-17 U-18
Waiver: In consideration of Northwest Champions L.L.C., d/b/a Western College Development Association (hereafter
“WCDA”) accepting the enrollment of Participant in the WCDA Program and services of the WCDA, Participant and
his Parent/Guardian, on behalf of Participant’s heirs, personal representatives and/or assigns, promise not to sue or
bring any action against the WCDA or any of its members, directors, volunteers, independent contractors or agents,
and release each of them from all liability in connection with all claims for (1) personal injury or illness (including
death) and (2) damage to, or loss or theft of, property (including personal items, car and money), arising from
Participant’s participation with the WCDA Program. This release shall include claims relating to receipt of medical care
or treatment for any physical or mental condition; use of facilities, services, premises and equipment; exposure to
inclement weather; and Participant’s negligence, willful misconduct, criminal behavior or involvement in accidents.

[Brat Jr]

No problems EW.
You and I can agree to disagree. 

[lost in kitsap]

I think that your estimates for the website are rather high.   I could buy a $20,000 number, but $50,000 would mean that someone else is getting their nest feathered.

Tournaments normally are run by a local person or club.  I doubt that the WCDA gets all the revenue from these.   Perhaps a small % for endorsing.

Are you claiming that Northwest Champions LLC, or the Northwest Champions League, or Vision Marketing actually have any part in the WCDA?  I ahd thought that except for the NW Champs LLC with NWCL, all were unrelated.

Yes, our forms indicate the connection.  Several people on this forum seem to know about Vision Marketing and how Ion is connected.  I did inflate the expenses [in my estimates of income/expense above].  The showcase tournaments are part of the mix because in Las Vegas it is a WCDA founding club hosting it.  It was mentioned that Vision Marketing holds a tournament but I do not know what it is, is it WCDA related or is there a WCDA bracket in attendance?


Here is the address:  WCDA ? 7350 Cirque Dr. W, Suite 201 ? University Place, WA 98467

Here is from the Waiver form:

WAIVER, ASSUMPTION OF RISK & AGREEMENT TO PARTICIPATE
Club Name: (please print) ____________________________________ Age Group (circle one):
Participant’s Name: (please print) ______________________________ U-15 U-16 U-17 U-18
Waiver: In consideration of Northwest Champions L.L.C., d/b/a Western College Development Association (hereafter
“WCDA”) accepting the enrollment of Participant in the WCDA Program and services of the WCDA, Participant and
his Parent/Guardian, on behalf of Participant’s heirs, personal representatives and/or assigns, promise not to sue or
bring any action against the WCDA or any of its members, directors, volunteers, independent contractors or agents,
and release each of them from all liability in connection with all claims for (1) personal injury or illness (including
death) and (2) damage to, or loss or theft of, property (including personal items, car and money), arising from
Participant’s participation with the WCDA Program. This release shall include claims relating to receipt of medical care
or treatment for any physical or mental condition; use of facilities, services, premises and equipment; exposure to
inclement weather; and Participant’s negligence, willful misconduct, criminal behavior or involvement in accidents.

http://www.westerncda.com/docs/wcdarules_v2.pdf

[EWSoccer64]

You know, if the people involved were not using this as a "get rich quick" scheme by fleecing the players, it sounds rather reasonable..........

[Norcalvisitor]

I think that your estimates for the website are rather high.   I could buy a $20,000 number, but $50,000 would mean that someone else is getting their nest feathered.

Tournaments normally are run by a local person or club.  I doubt that the WCDA gets all the revenue from these.   Perhaps a small % for endorsing.

Are you claiming that Northwest Champions LLC, or the Northwest Champions League, or Vision Marketing actually have any part in the WCDA?  I ahd thought that except for the NW Champs LLC with NWCL, all were unrelated.

Yes, our forms indicate the connection.  Several people on this forum seem to know about Vision Marketing and how Ion is connected.  I did inflate the expenses [in my estimates of income/expense above].  The showcase tournaments are part of the mix because in Las Vegas it is a WCDA founding club hosting it.  It was mentioned that Vision Marketing holds a tournament but I do not know what it is, is it WCDA related or is there a WCDA bracket in attendance?


Here is the address:  WCDA ? 7350 Cirque Dr. W, Suite 201 ? University Place, WA 98467

Here is from the Waiver form:

WAIVER, ASSUMPTION OF RISK & AGREEMENT TO PARTICIPATE
Club Name: (please print) ____________________________________ Age Group (circle one):
Participant’s Name: (please print) ______________________________ U-15 U-16 U-17 U-18
Waiver: In consideration of Northwest Champions L.L.C., d/b/a Western College Development Association (hereafter
“WCDA”) accepting the enrollment of Participant in the WCDA Program and services of the WCDA, Participant and
his Parent/Guardian, on behalf of Participant’s heirs, personal representatives and/or assigns, promise not to sue or
bring any action against the WCDA or any of its members, directors, volunteers, independent contractors or agents,
and release each of them from all liability in connection with all claims for (1) personal injury or illness (including
death) and (2) damage to, or loss or theft of, property (including personal items, car and money), arising from
Participant’s participation with the WCDA Program. This release shall include claims relating to receipt of medical care
or treatment for any physical or mental condition; use of facilities, services, premises and equipment; exposure to
inclement weather; and Participant’s negligence, willful misconduct, criminal behavior or involvement in accidents.

http://www.westerncda.com/docs/wcdarules_v2.pdf

Okay, Kitsap, I reread this document hoping for some enlightenment, and got none.  There is no disclosure of membership fees, or the cost handling of the showcases.  Personally, I think there is something fishy in this league, and it will get sorted out.  Please, you posted this doc, can you explain why or did you just want to share?  I need some help please, I think there is some fraud or racketeering going on, and the evidence isn't disputing this theory.

[vusa92blue]

The only one in the state that I am aware of is Doug Andreason, the WSYSA state President.

Can't wait to see your proof on this.  Okay, a, show us the proof on this statement and not just the label of your fifth.

[EWSoccer64]

The only one in the state that I am aware of is Doug Andreason, the WSYSA state President.

Can't wait to see your proof on this.  Okay, a, show us the proof on this statement and not just the label of your fifth.

VUSA, are you saying that the WSYSA President is not a paid position?  Or are you saying that other state board members are paid as well?

[Scrunch]

Charges of fraud and racketeering.

I know Charlie Dent. He is a practicing attorney in WA State.  He's never struck me as either unethical or stupid. Hence, I do question such assertions.  Please understand such unsubstantiated accusations do have the risk of consequences to parties, either the accused or accuser.  Statements of this nature should only be levied in a court of law, not tossed about anonymously in a public forum about a currently well-respected attorney and volunteer in youth soccer.

[lost in kitsap]

My earlier link was more appropriate to show the relationship of WCDA, NWCL, and the law firm which drafted the documents, and evidently maintains the registrations exc for the WCDA.

I'm not an attorney, and don't feel like citing an RCW, but likely in the strict language of the law nothing illegal is occurring. There is a definitive line in law and if you stay on the legal side, no matter how close you get to the line, its still legal.

Moral ethics is a different subject then legality. imo

[Norcalvisitor]

Anyone good with taxes?  http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=123303,00.html

If NWCL, the LLC, goes to various western state non-profit clubs and gets them to join their first year run league they name WCDA which is a for profit LLC...

1.  Is this an example of an excess benefit transaction (according to the irs) because
     a.  the dues are collected by non-profit clubs and directed to the for-profit NWCL? 

     b.  the non-profit clubs turn around and advertise that they are WCDA members with perks (separate league of play with no relegation, scouting, showcase admission, separate showcase bracket) for their players who are on WCDA teams

2.  Is it profiteering to charge inconsistent membership dues ($60-$250)?