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[therealthing]

There has been a lot of heated discussion about high school soccer and academy players.  Most of which pertains to only a few kids, in reality.    Take a look at the academy rosters and how much many of these kids actually play.  The Crossfire rosters are filled with kids who have only taken the field in a competitive game a handful of times.  They may be getting very good training and have academy on their resume, but they are not playing in many true competitive games and frankly, are not really much different (if at all in many cases) than many P-1 players.

This is true for the Sounders as well.  Looked at just the first player on the U-18 roster boatwright.   In 2011 they have had 8 competitive games.   The kid played A TOTAL OF 11 MINUTES in all those game combined!   Let's face it, high school is where a kid like that will get their attention from most people in their community.   And from what I've heard from friends down south, the dad is the high school coach and a shameless self-promoter of family (two kids and a nephew on the team.)

 

[superfanjon11]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

[El Matarife]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

I don't think that's possible.  The entire team that was on the field has to attempt one before a kid can rekick.  I may be wrong though, I stopped reffing forever ago.

[1usa1]

There has been a lot of heated discussion about high school soccer and academy players.  Most of which pertains to only a few kids, in reality.    Take a look at the academy rosters and how much many of these kids actually play.  The Crossfire rosters are filled with kids who have only taken the field in a competitive game a handful of times.  They may be getting very good training and have academy on their resume, but they are not playing in many true competitive games and frankly, are not really much different (if at all in many cases) than many P-1 players.

This is true for the Sounders as well.  Looked at just the first player on the U-18 roster boatwright.   In 2011 they have had 8 competitive games.   The kid played A TOTAL OF 11 MINUTES in all those game combined!   Let's face it, high school is where a kid like that will get their attention from most people in their community.   And from what I've heard from friends down south, the dad is the high school coach and a shameless self-promoter of family (two kids and a nephew on the team.)

 

   Unfortunately you are correct that there can be a huge disparity in playing time between players. The Academy rules stipulate that a player must start  in at least 25% of the teams games. It does not however say anything about total playing time. Was the player in question injured as this wouls impact total playing time? I would hope that both the Sounders and Crossfire at least adhere to the 25% start rule. In a quick look at both rosters it looks like the Sounders are doing a far better job at that then crossfire. If I remember correctly there were issues with Crossfire not following this rule in past seasons. Looks like no one at the national level practices what they preach....where are the sanctions toward the coaches/clubs that don't follow the rules?

[Old Dog]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

I don't think that's possible.  The entire team that was on the field has to attempt one before a kid can rekick.  I may be wrong though, I stopped reffing forever ago.

I think it is one of those rules that differ from club and high school

[El Matarife]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

I don't think that's possible.  The entire team that was on the field has to attempt one before a kid can rekick.  I may be wrong though, I stopped reffing forever ago.

I think it is one of those rules that differ from club and high school

Wow.  So you have the same guy shoot every PK? 

[Old Dog]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

I don't think that's possible.  The entire team that was on the field has to attempt one before a kid can rekick.  I may be wrong though, I stopped reffing forever ago.

I think it is one of those rules that differ from club and high school

Wow.  So you have the same guy shoot every PK? 

No, but I think after your first five and you keep going one of the five can shoot again. Somebody must know the HS rules?

[Otter]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

Although, when I was waiting for my kids semi-final last year, if this is the same coach, something like the 11th kid was going up to take a pk.   The coach calls back that kid and sends his own kid to go take a Second pk.   Sends the pk the exact same place as his first one and keeper makes easy save.  Game over.  Apparently missed a pk in the quarter finals too, so not so sure it was the most objective play calling.  Heard a bit of grumbling in the stands.    All in the game.

I don't think that's possible.  The entire team that was on the field has to attempt one before a kid can rekick.  I may be wrong though, I stopped reffing forever ago.

I think it is one of those rules that differ from club and high school

Wow.  So you have the same guy shoot every PK? 

No, but I think after your first five and you keep going one of the five can shoot again. Somebody must know the HS rules?

The High School soccer rules (NFHS = National Federation of State High School Associations) are different then FIFA regarding Procedures to Determine the Winner of a Match.
High School Kicks From the Penalty Mark (KFTPM) are as follows:
(A)  Players are chosen in groups of five from those on the roster who are eligible to play.  (NOT from those on the field at the end of second overtime period) (This also means there is no reduce to equate).  Those eligible to play are those suited up who have not been sent off and who have not apparently suffered a concussion).
(B)  Second group of five (if necessary) must be different from the first group of five.  (This means the goal keeper may but does not have to kick)
(C)  If not decided in the first ten kicks then go back to roster and start with a third group of five (that may include all or some of the first 10).
(D)  And then a fourth group of five (that must be different than the third group of five.
(E) Beginning with the second group of five it is “sudden death” (just like it is after 5 pairs of kickers in FIFA KFTPM)

Yes, it is a little weird but these are High School rules. 

[metz123]

Why would anyone even take the time to cook up a set of rules like that? Kftm are a horrible way to settle a game but at least FIFA had the common sense to make the rules around them simple.

[1usa1]

Why would anyone even take the time to cook up a set of rules like that? Kftm are a horrible way to settle a game but at least FIFA had the common sense to make the rules around them simple.

    Because they can

[ltg]

you obviously don't know anything, therealthing.  coach boatright is an amazing coach and his kid is the best player on the team and one of the most unselfish players you will ever see play high school.  besides being an all around nice family, it's hard not to have a couple kids on your high school team when you have as many as they do.

[SoccerFlicks]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

From what Ive seen, I can't say I agree with this.


No matter, though, it is probably better to stick with a very active showcasing club team (no not high school) where playing time is often available than to waste time sitting on a bench for some resume line item.  Why keep talent all bottled (benched)up - let it expode and be put to use rather than wasting away on a high school or "dream team" academy bench..... If a player is not a starter playing most of the game on the highest team possible for either situatuion, it is a waste of time. 

[El Matarife]

Well, any player that makes the Sounders academy has to be pretty darn good, no matter.

From what Ive seen, I can't say I agree with this.

Really?  I don't want you to name names but you've got to be fairly talented to get on the team.  I will admit some kids may have been under less scrutiny than others because of the WPFC merger but all of the kids on the team are above average players.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>..... If a player is not a starter playing most of the game on the highest team possible for either situatuion, it is a waste of time.  <<<

There are practical reasons why most teams prefer to have rosters larger than 13-15 players.

[Redkard]

With the Sounders Academy now being free, there is no longer a reason to carry any dead weight on a roster because a parent can write a check.

While agree that a player who is not getting any playing time needs determine if they have made the right decision or not.  All players on the Academy team can play.  Now that the rosters are truly open to the state for all to tryout with no ties to the past; we will now see the best of the best.

By the way the only negative of High School Soccer is the slight increase in the opportunity to get injurred.  A player's skill is not affected at all.  To be honest from a referee's stand point I'm more concerned about a skilled player creating an injury not a less skilled player. 

I can see a bad tackle coming a mile away from a less skilled player.  A skilled player is a bit more sneaky (some debate this may be taught or aquired with experience) about how to administer a tackle that could do some damage.

[Str8red]

Is there evidence of any increased rate of injuries, or increased severity of injuries, suffered in high school play?

By evidence, I mean has anyone actually studied the issue, compiled statistics, analyzed them, all that sort of thing?

[Rock27]

With the Sounders Academy now being free, there is no longer a reason to carry any dead weight on a roster because a parent can write a check.

While agree that a player who is not getting any playing time needs determine if they have made the right decision or not.  All players on the Academy team can play.  Now that the rosters are truly open to the state for all to tryout with no ties to the past; we will now see the best of the best.

By the way the only negative of High School Soccer is the slight increase in the opportunity to get injurred.  A player's skill is not affected at all.  To be honest from a referee's stand point I'm more concerned about a skilled player creating an injury not a less skilled player. 

I can see a bad tackle coming a mile away from a less skilled player.  A skilled player is a bit more sneaky (some debate this may be taught or aquired with experience) about how to administer a tackle that could do some damage.

I think that the academy players and premier players ahave the ability to see the field better and also can see a bad tackle, lack of experience, etc. right away.  They seem to be able to get out of the way. From last year and already this year, those academy players and some A players came into HS with injuries and some haven't played because they are still healing.  Like someone said earlier so far in non-league play the refs seem to be able to tell the skilled versus the less skilled players and reward fouls, cards, etc. as needed.  Haven't actually seem a bad call by the center yet - now for those guys on the sidelines - alot of messed up offsides called for sure and they don't seem to be able to keep up the the pace of the game.

[EWSoccer64]

Is there evidence of any increased rate of injuries, or increased severity of injuries, suffered in high school play?

By evidence, I mean has anyone actually studied the issue, compiled statistics, analyzed them, all that sort of thing?

A bunch of figures and citations were posted in a simlar thread a year or two ago.   And elsewhereI have seen studies both on the number of injuries in HS per year and that of normal youth soccer per year, but not articles that deliberately compare the two.