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[Der Kaiser]

The role of the DOC, coaching staff, and how many practices per games? WA STATE is lacking in technical training. What clubs are doing a good job and why? How to make coaches more accountable, rather than just getting a pay check.

[kameharem]

WA STATE is lacking in technical training.

On what is this statement based?  Is there some measurement that proves WA is lacking in technical training?  Compared to whom?  And don't say based on national championships won.

[Der Kaiser]

Just go out any weekend and watch a U-12 to U-15 RCL club here in WA. Although 4 or 5 kid's show well, the rest of the team is Select caliber (bad first touch, no dribbling expertise, no patience, no field vision or tactics, no linking passes). Now go to a RCL caliber match in California or Texas and you will see a much better team with 8 to 9 kid's showing well. The RCL coaching staff have got to do a better job in more repetitive training/technique and less games. How many player's received a evaluation (Player Development Plan for the Season of strengths/weakness)? This should be done monthly for each player to develop their full potential. 

[kameharem]

OK, so this is just your opinion that WA RCL players are not as good as CA and TX players so all of the RCL coaches are not doing their jobs correctly and are instead just collecting a pay check.  I do go to RCL games every weekend and I don't think one game a week is too many.  I also spent 3 to 4 days a week the last year at RCL practices and what I saw were coaches using repetitive training/technique, but what I also saw were players not comming to practice and parents complaining that 3 practices a week were too many.  You blame the coaches because in your opinion only 4 or 5 players per team are of top quality but I say the players and parents get out of the training what they are willing to put into it and too many parents think they are done once their child has been selected and they have paid the money and at this age most kids just want to have fun, which means playing games not just doing repetitive drills. 

[the_beautiful_game]

I fully agree kame - where is the line?  At any age (but especially anything below U-14) the player must be having FUN while learning ... so it is up to the coach/trainer to incorporate different drills/games during practice that involve the repetitiveness required to become proficient.  Doing the same drill day after day is not the same as several different approaches focused on the same topic.  It is the rare player at these ages that naturally has the passion to play (and improve) by themselves ... the coach also needs to encourage the passion to play in all the players.  Then you will see the growth in the abilities of more players, imho.

[Der Kaiser]

Firstly, these is for a healthy debate and I'm not blaming all coaches. In fact there are some excellent youth coaches in WA. However, there are a lot of bad C, B, and A licensed coaches. The Club DOC's must mandate 3 to 5 practices and repetition of technical training to every game and must oversee the coaching staff. Look there are approximately 5 million youth players in the USA and a ton of talent in the PNW. I agree that it needs to be fun at times and not to create burnout. However, I said RCL and parents are paying big money for club players and their daughter/son are not getting the real benefit of getting to their full potential. If a RCL level player can not make a third practice once in a while, that is fine. However I bet you that most will and if they don't they are not interested in getting better or want to play more video games or be on Facebook in their bedroom.

[NotoriousBig]

I find it interesting that if its not "RCL" play, then it has to be crappy "select caliber" soccer.  There is alot of very nice soccer being played by non-rcl teams, being coached by non-paid coaches who only coach one team and have educated themselves and their staff in coaching the game of soccer.  Just because their athletes decided not to specialize at 10 yrs old, doesn't make them any less a soccer player, and as a matter of fact, a talented bball player who plays soccer also, can see the field, play passing lanes and communicate as well as any RCL player.  I know this thread was about rcl training, I just thought the "select" comment was a bit near-sighted.  My girls connect passes with the best of em ........NB

[Left Foot]

Well, if Southern CA is the standard, then you would look for the club that has had more success against So Cal teams. And that would be?

Assuming that college coaches know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, one might look to clubs that consistently have large numbers of kids from graduating teams selected to play at the next leve. And that would be?

Not answering 'cause u don't want to hear it..... 

[EWSoccer64]

Gee Lefty, would this be the club with more former players below the age of 18 than current players?
The one that has such an atrocious retention rate?
If you keep jettisoning players rather than developing and promoting them, if instead you go out and RECRUIT replacements, you will end up with a lot of kids being recruited to colleges.

Well, if Southern CA is the standard, then you would look for the club that has had more success against So Cal teams. And that would be?

Assuming that college coaches know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, one might look to clubs that consistently have large numbers of kids from graduating teams selected to play at the next leve. And that would be?

Not answering 'cause u don't want to hear it..... 

[Left Foot]

Gee Lefty, would this be the club with more former players below the age of 18 than current players?
The one that has such an atrocious retention rate?
If you keep jettisoning players rather than developing and promoting them, if instead you go out and RECRUIT replacements, you will end up with a lot of kids being recruited to colleges.

Well, if Southern CA is the standard, then you would look for the club that has had more success against So Cal teams. And that would be?

Assuming that college coaches know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, one might look to clubs that consistently have large numbers of kids from graduating teams selected to play at the next leve. And that would be?

Not answering 'cause u don't want to hear it..... 

What's funny is that I could have written your response for you.

Sorry, but my experience with DDs team didn't fit your generalized version. There's player movement 'cause players want to move to get better training and competition all the time. And I thought it was SELECT soccer. But I will grant you that strictly looking at success and college commits is too narrow a guage.

And if Der Kaiser doesn't think that that 8 or 9 skilled kids on those socal teams aren't as a result of of player movement and consolidation, he's smokin' some good sourkraut...  I'm sure folks from SoCal look at all this handwringing about recruiting and think WTF!

[yote19]

Lefty, your daughters experience with Crossfire probably was very unique because of the coaching "team' that was consistent for many years.  Are the Lombards still there or did they get shown the road?  I respect their skills and methods of coaching, along with their great desire for the kids to develop into great human beings.  I would not say their entire club holds the same standards.

[EWSoccer64]

Gee Lefty, would this be the club with more former players below the age of 18 than current players?
The one that has such an atrocious retention rate?
If you keep jettisoning players rather than developing and promoting them, if instead you go out and RECRUIT replacements, you will end up with a lot of kids being recruited to colleges.

Well, if Southern CA is the standard, then you would look for the club that has had more success against So Cal teams. And that would be?

Assuming that college coaches know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, one might look to clubs that consistently have large numbers of kids from graduating teams selected to play at the next leve. And that would be?

Not answering 'cause u don't want to hear it..... 

What's funny is that I could have written your response for you.

What is really funny is that I have a macro that I can hit anytime you start pretending that a big part of Crossfires  "success" is not from recruiting new kids and disposing of the old ones.

[Left Foot]

Lefty, your daughters experience with Crossfire probably was very unique because of the coaching "team' that was consistent for many years.  Are the Lombards still there or did they get shown the road?  I respect their skills and methods of coaching, along with their great desire for the kids to develop into great human beings.  I would not say their entire club holds the same standards.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's a failing of mine that I see absolutely no value in a discussion based upon black and white overbroad generalizations. I live in a world where there are very few true devils where, as you point out, different standards are held across a club. A bit more complicated world then US'NS against THEM"NS and THEY'S ALL BAD.

My concern is that some parent will peruse this site and make a poor decision for their kid based upon the type of low level discusion on this forum. Many great clubs in WA. RCL, PSPL, Premier, Select...What have you. Lot's of good coaches all over the place as well.

You've been around so I'm sure you've listened in on a conversation or two between folks discussing a club they aren't involved with and have no idea about spout the wildest "facts".

[yote19]

More often than not...though...the soccer world is a small little world and alot of those facts are indeed true.  And as you may know, I was around many years ago when some of the folks at even Crossfire were top notch folks.  I think this forum is great for info.  Some people can read between the biases and get a realm of what is going on in the soccer community.  Some like Brat, just loves everyone who is involved in soccer and just wants as many folks as possible to enjoy the sport and sign her big balls.