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The state has this statement on their web-sight:

(we look forward to a revamped and reenergized 2011-2012 State League Season.)

Does anybody know what they are talking about?     revamped --- reenergized.

Sign up is next week.

[EWSoccer64]

The state has this statement on their web-sight:

(we look forward to a revamped and reenergized 2011-2012 State League Season.)

Does anybody know what they are talking about?     revamped --- reenergized.

Sign up is next week.

Well, this is the first any of us have heard about any changes actually being put into action.   One wonders if the RCL has given their approval (which is required) for any changes....

[kameharem]

those are basic PR catch words used to instill a sense of excitement for the new year so I wouldn't try to put too much into it; it doesn't mean that any changes are about to happen.

[SoccerFlicks]

I think it was mentioned in the rumors thread a while back that some kissin' -n- makin' up was going on..... I think some rebels are being welcomed back into the fold but Im not sure steps toward that welcoming will actually happen - too little too late.

[NKSoccerFan]

WYS must finally be recognizing the exodus of teams from the state league to PSPL.

As far as I can tell, all they've done is lower the price for state league by $150 to $400  ($300 if you commit early), which puts it in line with the $350 for PSPL. Perhaps WYS is hoping teams will teams will think with their wallet and come back.

[soccer45girls]

I read on the site that the registration fees have dropped as well.

Friday, May 27, 2011
After serious evaluation of membership feedback, Washington Youth Soccer is pleased to announce a State League fee restructure, reducing the 2011-2012 Fall State League fee from $550.00 to $400.00.  Additionally, a $100 discount will be presented to each team that submits a completed application, including the registration fee, within two and a half weeks of the opening of applications.  In order to receive the $100 discount, completed applications including fees must be submitted by Monday, June 20th at 5:30pm.    

As a non-profit organization, Washington Youth Soccer strives to provide a statewide competitive Soccer league at a low cost to keep soccer affordable and reduce the economic barriers of participation.  After exploring the competitive landscape and evaluating our valued membership opinions, we feel that lowering the fee to $400.00 ($300 after discount for the early birds!) is most appropriate for the program structure.

With the new fees in place, in addition to a new administration, we look forward to a revamped and reenergized 2011-2012 State League Season.

Please stay tuned, as applications will be open on June 1, 2011.
 
If you have any questions regarding the 2011-2012 Fall State League, please contact Heidi Dettmer, State League and Apparel Administrator at heidi@WashingtonYouthSoccer.org
.
 
http://www.wsysa.com/Leagues/StateLeagueU13U19/tabid/338/language/en-US/Default.aspx

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those are basic PR catch words used to instill a sense of excitement for the new year so I wouldn't try to put too much into it; it doesn't mean that any changes are about to happen.

A bad choice of words if this is just marketing BS....

re·vamped, 
1. To patch up or restore; renovate.
2. To revise or reconstruct
 
The act or an instance of revamping; a complete reorganization or revision.

[kameharem]

those are basic PR catch words used to instill a sense of excitement for the new year so I wouldn't try to put too much into it; it doesn't mean that any changes are about to happen.

A bad choice of words if this is just marketing BS....

re·vamped, 
1. To patch up or restore; renovate.
2. To revise or reconstruct
 
The act or an instance of revamping; a complete reorganization or revision.

nobody expects PR people to make good choices or to even know the defenitions of the words they use, they just have to make people feel good about what they are paying for.   

[Brat Jr]

WYS must finally be recognizing the exodus of teams from the state league to PSPL.

As far as I can tell, all they've done is lower the price for state league by $150 to $400  ($300 if you commit early), which puts it in line with the $350 for PSPL. Perhaps WYS is hoping teams will teams will think with their wallet and come back.

That may be true NKSFan but I think it may be that there are a lot of families that are having to re-think this 'disposable income' for soccer. These same families are thinking it might be better to play Rec soccer than Select just to keep the kids in the sport and have a lower payment for it.

[NKSoccerFan]

These same families are thinking it might be better to play Rec soccer than Select just to keep the kids in the sport and have a lower payment for it.

And there's nothing wrong with that.  I feel there is an unfair stigma against those who choose to play rec soccer (or select to some extent).

[Brat Jr]

These same families are thinking it might be better to play Rec soccer than Select just to keep the kids in the sport and have a lower payment for it.

And there's nothing wrong with that.  I feel there is an unfair stigma against those who choose to play rec soccer (or select to some extent).

I  know there is an unfair stigma associated with it. You even can see it on here.
As long as they are playing I don't care where they play   
 

[NKSoccerFan]

As long as they are playing I don't care where they play   

Exactly!
 

[metz123]

WYS must finally be recognizing the exodus of teams from the state league to PSPL.

As far as I can tell, all they've done is lower the price for state league by $150 to $400  ($300 if you commit early), which puts it in line with the $350 for PSPL. Perhaps WYS is hoping teams will teams will think with their wallet and come back.

They are, they just aren't prepared to make some hard decisions to add some value to the state league. Look at the trend lines of the number of teams competing in the state league, they are pretty much dead at GU13, GU14 and have a lot less participation at other ages. Ask yourself if the state has done anything to reverse the trend. Lowering the cost of the league to match the competition isn't going to reverse the trend, it might only slow down the exodus.

Traditionally teams decided to enter the state league when they'd grown out of district level play and wanted to face better competition. That was the growth path for a lot of teams in the past. Now, if you win district at U11, U12, U13 and look at the state league do you see better competition? Do you see a rich league with multiple divisions that provide a team a growth path as they improve? I don't.

Read the RCL charter. Does it mention anything about reducing the number of teams in the RCL to strengthen the state league? It does not. If you were an RCL club and were told that your C&D teams had to play state league but other RCL clubs inferior B teams would be allowed to play in the RCL upper division would you agree to do so? I think not (thus I expect to see the RCL leagues remain at their current size).

WYS only has 1 option in my mind to avoid watching their state leagues wither away. Call up the PSPL and make it an offer to be the state league for WYS. Allow those teams playing PSPL to play in the state cups and allow PSPL autonomy to take over as administrators of the WYS state league.

Will that ever happen? Highly unlikely. It would mean letting ECFC back in and admitting they were beaten by an upstart and that smaller clubs actually matter.

[tripleplay]

They are, they just aren't prepared to make some hard decisions to add some value to the state league. Look at the trend lines of the number of teams competing in the state league, they are pretty much dead at GU13, GU14 and have a lot less participation at other ages. Ask yourself if the state has done anything to reverse the trend. Lowering the cost of the league to match the competition isn't going to reverse the trend, it might only slow down the exodus.

Traditionally teams decided to enter the state league when they'd grown out of district level play and wanted to face better competition. That was the growth path for a lot of teams in the past. Now, if you win district at U11, U12, U13 and look at the state league do you see better competition? Do you see a rich league with multiple divisions that provide a team a growth path as they improve? I don't.

Read the RCL charter. Does it mention anything about reducing the number of teams in the RCL to strengthen the state league? It does not. If you were an RCL club and were told that your C&D teams had to play state league but other RCL clubs inferior B teams would be allowed to play in the RCL upper division would you agree to do so? I think not (thus I expect to see the RCL leagues remain at their current size).

WYS only has 1 option in my mind to avoid watching their state leagues wither away. Call up the PSPL and make it an offer to be the state league for WYS. Allow those teams playing PSPL to play in the state cups and allow PSPL autonomy to take over as administrators of the WYS state league.

Will that ever happen? Highly unlikely. It would mean letting ECFC back in and admitting they were beaten by an upstart and that smaller clubs actually matter.

Great if Utopian idea. But don't call it or any other league "the" state league. Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. Everyone meets up at the end of the year in state cup. What could be fairer and simpler?

As far as brinkging back the expelled teams, it's not just ECFC any more. You just have to give them a way to circumvent their corrupt local association and I'm sure most would come back.

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They are, they just aren't prepared to make some hard decisions to add some value to the state league. Look at the trend lines of the number of teams competing in the state league, they are pretty much dead at GU13, GU14 and have a lot less participation at other ages. Ask yourself if the state has done anything to reverse the trend. Lowering the cost of the league to match the competition isn't going to reverse the trend, it might only slow down the exodus.

Traditionally teams decided to enter the state league when they'd grown out of district level play and wanted to face better competition. That was the growth path for a lot of teams in the past. Now, if you win district at U11, U12, U13 and look at the state league do you see better competition? Do you see a rich league with multiple divisions that provide a team a growth path as they improve? I don't.

Read the RCL charter. Does it mention anything about reducing the number of teams in the RCL to strengthen the state league? It does not. If you were an RCL club and were told that your C&D teams had to play state league but other RCL clubs inferior B teams would be allowed to play in the RCL upper division would you agree to do so? I think not (thus I expect to see the RCL leagues remain at their current size).

WYS only has 1 option in my mind to avoid watching their state leagues wither away. Call up the PSPL and make it an offer to be the state league for WYS. Allow those teams playing PSPL to play in the state cups and allow PSPL autonomy to take over as administrators of the WYS state league.

Will that ever happen? Highly unlikely. It would mean letting ECFC back in and admitting they were beaten by an upstart and that smaller clubs actually matter.

Great if Utopian idea. But don't call it or any other league "the" state league. Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. Everyone meets up at the end of the year in state cup. What could be fairer and simpler?

As far as brinkging back the expelled teams, it's not just ECFC any more. You just have to give them a way to circumvent their corrupt local association and I'm sure most would come back.

Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. And they lived happily ever after.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. And they lived happily ever after. <<<<

except if the people setting up and running the leagues are profiteering.
except if the leagues are exclusionary.
except if the leagues have special rules that do not conform with normal soccer.
except if participation in those leagues denied players other avenues for advancement.
except if the costs became onerous.
except if their was no system of governance.
except if..........
 
 
 

[ltg]

also, what if teams signed up for the same league as your team and your team was forced to drive to the other side of the state to play them even though you knew your team was going to win 10-0.  would that be a good use of your money and your time?

[EWSoccer64]

also, what if teams signed up for the same league as your team and your team was forced to drive to the other side of the state to play them even though you knew your team was going to win 10-0.  would that be a good use of your money and your time?

I always hated having to drive over to King County and then play keepaway the entire second half.   I imagine that teams in Vancouver and Bellingham hated the mismatches as well.
But that sort of thing never happens in the PDL/RCL does it?   Oh wait, I seem to recall it does.........

[ltg]

i do believe they have re-alignment after every season so as to keep this from continuing but in your free for all world, no re alignment, just sign up.  can we sign up for the mls even though we're girls and they're boys.  our rcl league was played fairly tightly and the ones that weren't have been sent down

[tripleplay]

Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. And they lived happily ever after.

It doesn't guarantee happiness, but it is fair. And if you were unhappy, you'd have only yourself to blame for your choices. Much like the rest of life.

[tripleplay]

also, what if teams signed up for the same league as your team and your team was forced to drive to the other side of the state to play them even though you knew your team was going to win 10-0.  would that be a good use of your money and your time?

If you don't like it, then you can play in a different league next time, or start your own league with more favorable conditions. The point is that you'd be in charge of your experience. If you want to drive to Spokane to buy lousy donuts, nobody is stopping you. Most of us make smarter choices.

[EWSoccer64]

also, what if teams signed up for the same league as your team and your team was forced to drive to the other side of the state to play them even though you knew your team was going to win 10-0.  would that be a good use of your money and your time?

If you don't like it, then you can play in a different league next time, or start your own league with more favorable conditions. The point is that you'd be in charge of your experience. If you want to drive to Spokane to buy lousy donuts, nobody is stopping you. Most of us make smarter choices.

And those who are not happy within WSYSA are free to go elsewhwere.  Of course, they do not get the benefits of WSYSA, but they are free to whine about that, eh, TP?

[NKSoccerFan]

And those who are not happy within WSYSA are free to go elsewhwere. 

They are, and that's why WSYSA has to claim that they are revamping & reenergizing.

[EWSoccer64]

And those who are not happy within WSYSA are free to go elsewhwere. 

They are, and that's why WSYSA has to claim that they are revamping & reenergizing.

You got that one right.

[tripleplay]

>>>Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. And they lived happily ever after. <<<<

except if the people setting up and running the leagues are profiteering.
except if the leagues are exclusionary.
except if the leagues have special rules that do not conform with normal soccer.
except if participation in those leagues denied players other avenues for advancement.
except if the costs became onerous.
except if their was no system of governance.
except if..........
 

The only thing that matters is if they conform with USYS rules. Those are the rules that WYS, as a USYS affiliate, should be enforcing.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Just allow all clubs and teams to form and play in leagues of their choice. And they lived happily ever after. <<<<

except if the people setting up and running the leagues are profiteering.
except if the leagues are exclusionary.
except if the leagues have special rules that do not conform with normal soccer.
except if participation in those leagues denied players other avenues for advancement.
except if the costs became onerous.
except if their was no system of governance.
except if..........
 

The only thing that matters is if they confirm with USYS rules. Those are the rules that WYS, as a USYS affiliate, that WYS should be enforcing.

See, TP, that is where you differ from normal folks.  Normal folks look at all sorts of things, like development, cost, convenience, ethics and a whole host of other things when deciding on the right team for their kids.  And the ethics shown by the coach and organization does come into play as well.  You ignore all that, by your own words.

[tripleplay]

See, TP, that is where you differ from normal folks.  Normal folks look at all sorts of things, like development, cost, convenience, ethics and a whole host of other things when deciding on the right team for their kids.  And the ethics shown by the coach and organization does come into play as well.  You ignore all that, by your own words.

What's good enough for USYS is good enough for me. You seem to be upset that USYS is not implementing the soccer nanny state which you believe to be ideal. I suggest you take it up with them.

[EWSoccer64]

See, TP, that is where you differ from normal folks.  Normal folks look at all sorts of things, like development, cost, convenience, ethics and a whole host of other things when deciding on the right team for their kids.  And the ethics shown by the coach and organization does come into play as well.  You ignore all that, by your own words.

What's good enough for USYS is good enough for me.

You are aginst U-9 and U-10 year around "premier" level competition?  That is news to everyone who has ever read your drivel.

[tripleplay]

See, TP, that is where you differ from normal folks.  Normal folks look at all sorts of things, like development, cost, convenience, ethics and a whole host of other things when deciding on the right team for their kids.  And the ethics shown by the coach and organization does come into play as well.  You ignore all that, by your own words.

What's good enough for USYS is good enough for me.

You are aginst U-9 and U-10 year around "premier" level competition?  That is news to everyone who has ever read your drivel.

Sorry. USYS does not prohibit competition at those age groups. As I've pointed out many times, USYS affiliates have state cup in those age groups.
I don't believe that USYS is all-wise, though. As an example, USYS now "strongly recommends" a playing format (9v9) at an age group  that at least last year it used to prohibit.

[metz123]

Back to the original topic....

Talked to a several coaches at the Skagit Firecracker this weekend. This tourney represents what used to be the bread and butter of the WYS State league. The majority are non RCL clubs, who used to graduate from district level play into the state league over the course of U11 through U15.

Universally for the 2011-2012 season, teams that played in the state league last year are now choosing to play PSPL this season, teams that played district last year and are looking for a competitive path up are choosing to play PSPL this season. RCL lower division clubs (div 3 and down) are confirming that they are staying RCL and are not migrating to a state league.

Cutting the fee isn't going to do anything to tourniquet the blood flow from WYS. Aligning with the PDL/RCL and painting themselves into a corner with the RCL charter is going to result in severe financial difficulties for them very soon. Of course, their first reaction will be to lay off all the office staff doing the real work, then they will try and reverse course and shift the state cups to an open tournament. It will happen too late.

It's an amazing lesson on how to take a monopoly position and squander it in a few short years.