Topic: EPD (Read 15561 times)

daddy-o-3 · « **on:** July 01, 2011, 05:21:18 PM »

Does anyone know the costs associated with the Elite Player Development program?

erickb · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:50:07 PM »

plus one, was thinking about that for our keeper

PrideNJoy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2011, 07:25:42 PM »

350 for training, or there abouts. gets you at least 4 sessions (be ready for short notice scheduling) as many as 10 I suppose if you include other camps if your kid makes it.
each trip will cost you around 900 bucks (air and room)
plus kit, bag, etc (you keep bag and jacket and one polo - return all else) - socks extra
you buy pants, warm ups, shoes, and whatever else is required for travel, dinners, etc (everyone is told to purchase so team looks professional off the field as well)
food and additional funds on travel teams required for your player (nothing fancy mind you, just send about 100 bucks per trip)

so, you're spending 350 for at least 4 sessions of training (likely will be 6 max, but doubt it)
make the travel team, add about another 350 for lines 3 and 4, 900 for a trip, and 100 bucks for line 5
@900 for 1 or 2 other events if your kid makes it.

then of course there's regional camp

enjoy

EWSoccer64 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2011, 08:19:19 PM »

Doesn't viagra cure it?

English1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2011, 01:38:52 PM »

Wait, so you purchase uniform items and have to return some?
So, I would like to hear form other families who are already involved in the EPD program. Is it worth it? Advice please

Relaxed · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:10:26 PM »

We have done ODP/EDP for the last 4 years. If you are a starter on the team then it is worth every dime. Not sure if I agree fully with PnJ about costs. There is a $350 fee up front...number of training events gets fuzzy as EPD/RCL overlap in my mind, but there are many training events if you are one of the team 18 players that travel (much more than 10 over the season). The uniforms are free. The $900 is the cost of the ODP camp each year, which is average to high for a soccer camp, but you are being evaluated to be on the Regional team. All the travel that my child has been a part of has been either paid in full or we supplemented a small portion of it when the team traveled out of state. The only cost was pocket money and some fee's to pay for post-game snacks/drinks. Average cost for the whole year adds up to about $2000 if you have multiple team travel events. From my point of view totally worth it and if you have any desire to make either XF or Sounders Academy, than EPD is your first step in.

cheersme95keep · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:15:02 PM »

It was $325-$350 for pool fee and then $900 for AZ and $600 for Camp.
Think we spent $80 in AZ to team mgr for misc stuff and then $50 at camp (she got the costs down so that was nice) plus costs for tournament sweatshirt in AZ and then shirts/drawstring bags at camp.
$350
$900
$80
$600
$50
= $1980 + the "stuff" so yep, about $2000+ for it.

daddy-o-3 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:12:03 PM »

Thanks !

gr8cgar · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:16:04 PM »

For the boys

the program seem to be lost and have no real direct in WA other then a recruiting tool for the Sounders Academy Program
For the girls

the program have not lost focus

PKPOP · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:42:49 PM »

Actually, the focus is lost. With ECNL and a multitude of college showcases, EDP/ODP has lost some luster.

Here is a link to the outline of the program. No RTC and players pay all travel expenses for tournaments and training.$2,000 is a good estimate

http://www.wsysa.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=8oHlQY4kLQc%3d&tabid=1684&mid=5525&language=en-US

soccer45girls · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2011, 11:23:33 PM »

And no, you don't get to keep the cool Sounders jersey. You have to return it.

Basically, you have to look at it like you're renting it. And if you fail to return it, you're charged an extra fee. The exact amount escapes me, but it's not really nominal.

Some teams charge more to the parents. Ours has been $100-$150 per event for 'extras'. T-shirts (3) ran about $50 if my memory serves me correct, for regional camp. This is part of their uniform as well, and it's not included in the $350 or the $600 or the 'extras' category. There's ice for ice baths, extras for snacks, forgotten essentials, etc, which is in that $100-$150.

It's a great opportunity, but the fees are too high for some families to attend at times. And yes, it's a great avenue to be seen by Academy/ECNL teams as well.

English1 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2011, 01:02:25 AM »

I think that is where we miss the boat. So, if you play for just say a RCL club and pay around $2,000 in club fee's, $500 in team fees and not to mention the hotels or flight etc if you travel out of state. Then, your kid is "good" or "elite" worthy to represent his/her state you have to pay more. IMHO that is where the US falls short. We would never have the Rooney's, Messi's, Beckham's of this world if they had to pay because they were good. We are missing out on some fantastic talent because it is just too much...
Just saying...

lester · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:47:56 AM »

Quote from: English1 on July 07, 2011, 01:02:25 AM

I think that is where we miss the boat. So, if you play for just say a RCL club and pay around $2,000 in club fee's, $500 in team fees and not to mention the hotels or flight etc if you travel out of state. Then, your kid is "good" or "elite" worthy to represent his/her state you have to pay more. IMHO that is where the US falls short. We would never have the Rooney's, Messi's, Beckham's of this world if they had to pay because they were good. We are missing out on some fantastic talent because it is just too much...
Just saying...

Duh. English1 nailed it.
What do you think Adidas ESP was all about in the '90s? They plucked kids from the ODP teams and hit them up for another $1000. Of course they had a handful of alumni that were successful, they had already been identified by ODP as players to push up the ladder.

Some people learned early that making money off soccer was getting it from the youth... i.e. the parents of them... not in the pro league. Ever since then, that has been the direction of the "new soccer world".
Each successive program is built to draw more money out to the parents that think there kid can make it. Usually the same expanded group.

EDP... RCL... ODP...ECNL...id2...PCSC...NW Champions League... ....WYS

They are all parent supported enterprises to make money off youth soccer.... and limited to the kids that have parents that can pay.

Smells like Sasquach.

soccer4fun · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2011, 04:35:52 AM »

Its all for THE KIDS!! that is what they all say

daddy-o-3 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2011, 10:53:08 AM »

Quote from: English1 on July 07, 2011, 01:02:25 AM

I think that is where we miss the boat. So, if you play for just say a RCL club and pay around $2,000 in club fee's, $500 in team fees and not to mention the hotels or flight etc if you travel out of state. Then, your kid is "good" or "elite" worthy to represent his/her state you have to pay more. IMHO that is where the US falls short. We would never have the Rooney's, Messi's, Beckham's of this world if they had to pay because they were good. We are missing out on some fantastic talent because it is just too much...
Just saying...

Agreed.. and have chosen not to send dd to open tryouts based on the ridiculous fee's. Its stupid, but I along with every other parent in our US system are to blame. Its all based on the almighty dollar and if we pay they will be there to collect, "but sir with our elite training your dd/ds can be the next "fill in the blank". Yes I contribute to the idiocy of US soccer, I pay the fee for her to be part of a RCL team, not because I feel this team/club is any better then smaller, more affordable select teams but because it makes my little girl happy. DD's skills were developed outside any club/team setting, so spare me the "advanced training" mumbo jumbo we get for the additional $'s.
I tell her there is nothing wrong with being the walk-on that stuns the crowd.

Fallfever · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2011, 08:57:13 AM »

Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.

Turner b1kr · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2011, 10:33:13 AM »

Really sorry to sidetrack the thread, but I was wondering if if EPD is similar to club soccer in that it's best to get in when dk is at the earliest age? Or are tryouts truly open each year? And, who are the coaches?

Thanks!

ForTheKids · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »

Turner, that is a safe assumption. I've seen quality kids at the youngers stay around in ODP even though others had moved past. So, yes, pay your money early and regularly and be on time for the first bus because all the seats are open at the first bus stop.

But seriously, if your kid is a world beater, they will find a seat on the bus for him/her.

I wish the RTC program still existed. That was a great way to open up the pool. Its loss, financials of course, is a big loss for what could have been a pretty cool program.

Turner b1kr · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2011, 03:09:06 PM »

Quote from: ForTheKids on August 17, 2011, 01:39:08 PM

Turner, that is a safe assumption. I've seen quality kids at the youngers stay around in ODP even though others had moved past. So, yes, pay your money early and regularly and be on time for the first bus because all the seats are open at the first bus stop.

But seriously, if your kid is a world beater, they will find a seat on the bus for him/her.

I wish the RTC program still existed. That was a great way to open up the pool. Its loss, financials of course, is a big loss for what could have been a pretty cool program.

Thanks FTK, I really appreciate the info!

Fallfever · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2011, 04:11:54 PM »

I think I have a handle on the difference between the EPD and the ODP, but is there anyone here who has made the EPD, but not the ODP and can highlight the differences. I assume that EPD is just basically the pool from which they pull the ODP roster, correct?

And what are the actual differences between the RTC and EPD? Management? Or just a token facelift and shiny new name?

MichGoBlue · « **Reply #20 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:39:11 PM »

Received an email today about EPD tryout results. Anyone know how many girls are selected for the initial EPD pool? I think the final pool ends up at 25-30, but have no idea what the initial cut looks like.

Fallfever · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2011, 11:35:53 AM »

At the 2000's tryout in Spokane, I asked one of the evaluators and he told me that they will settle on about 35-40 girls for each pool. Apparently they told the girls that the initial cut will be about 50 or so. So the first training at the end of September, as I understand it, will be the final cut. But most of the girls that got the invite will be on the EPD squad.

We had 22 at the 2000s tryout in Spokane and I heard there were 28 at Starfire on Saturday. So unless there are a lot at the September 9 tryout, they will be taking most of the girls that tryout for at least the initial cut.

I kinda thought there would be more interest. I know a lot of the best players at this age group from Spokane and very few were at tryouts. There were twice as many players from 3 Rivers and ASE as there was. from all of Spokane. I wonder if they knew about them reinstating the tryouts...

MichGoBlue · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:26:30 PM »

At the Starfire tryouts on Saturday I saw 55-60 98s and 35-40 97s. The 96s and 95s were all mixed up so I could not tell how many of each, but there seemed to be around 60 total there between the age groups.

As you noted with Spokane, I didn't see very many 97 or 98 EDP/ODP players at the tryouts, though I did see a couple, as well as a couple of the 96s that I know were in the state pool last year. My thinking for these age groups was that even though EDP are open tryouts, for this first round the girls who were already in the pool from the previous year were automatically given a pass to the next round. As such, my guess is that only a handful of new girls at these age groups from this tryout would probably get selected to move on to the next round. I know some were already told yes they made it to the next round and some who were already told sorry you didn't. I don't know though if everyone was told this or just the very definitive cases since there are still tryouts on the 9th.

That said, i think the situation is different for the 2000s since that is the first year for them and there is no pre-existing state pool.

Anyway DD is a GK, so was wondering how many GK are moving onto the next round, and how many total they would be keeping. My guess is that they would carry 3-4 total, and that 5-6 might be vying for those spots but I don't know.

soccerworld · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:57:02 PM »

Quote from: MichGoBlue on August 30, 2011, 12:26:30 PM

At the Starfire tryouts on Saturday I saw 55-60 98s and 35-40 97s. The 96s and 95s were all mixed up so I could not tell how many of each, but there seemed to be around 60 total there between the age groups.

As you noted with Spokane, I didn't see very many 97 or 98 EDP/ODP players at the tryouts, though I did see a couple, as well as a couple of the 96s that I know were in the state pool last year. My thinking for these age groups was that even though EDP are open tryouts, for this first round the girls who were already in the pool from the previous year were automatically given a pass to the next round. As such, my guess is that only a handful of new girls at these age groups from this tryout would probably get selected to move on to the next round. I know some were already told yes they made it to the next round and some who were already told sorry you didn't. I don't know though if everyone was told this or just the very definitive cases since there are still tryouts on the 9th.

That said, i think the situation is different for the 2000s since that is the first year for them and there is no pre-existing state pool.

Any DD is a GK, so was wondering how many GK are moving onto the next round, and how many total they would be keeping. My guess is that they would carry 3-4 total, and that 5-6 might be vying for those spots but I don't know.

My DD has been on the 97 squad the last two years and I can tell you that the only 97's that have a pass directly into the pool or ones who were selected for the holdover camp in California or if they have been invited to National Camp. All others must try out.

MichGoBlue · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2011, 02:05:36 PM »

Quote from: soccerworld on August 30, 2011, 12:57:02 PM

My DD has been on the 97 squad the last two years and I can tell you that the only 97's that have a pass directly into the pool or ones who were selected for the holdover camp in California or if they have been invited to National Camp. All others must try out.

Do you know how many were selected for the holdover camp? I was surprised not to see a bunch of 97s that were on the team last year, but they could be holdovers. Perhaps there is just less interest now because of ECNL?

soccerworld · « **Reply #25 on:** August 30, 2011, 02:42:43 PM »

Two were selected for the holdover camp. I think there will be a few that will show up on the 9/9 date that weren't available this past weekend.

MichGoBlue · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2011, 03:04:45 PM »

I just checked and saw there were also 5 selected from 98 for the holdover camp.

Also you are right about more showing up on the 9th as there were 5 Washington 97 teams participating in the NWCL, though I think Spokane already had tryouts out there previously.

Scrunch · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:03:34 PM »

erickb · « **Reply #28 on:** September 01, 2011, 10:23:51 AM »

Anyone know how the "open" tryouts work? I asked because we where there on Saturday and the tryouts where less then what a normal club tryout is (1998 group), made me wonder if this was more of a fund raiser then an "open" tryout. No my DD did not make it which is fine no hard feelings at all, we wanted her to get a feel of how the tryouts went. Just was trying to figure if the team is picked ahead of time (like most clubs) or if it is a true open tryout

MichGoBlue · « **Reply #29 on:** September 01, 2011, 12:54:31 PM »

Quote from: erickb on September 01, 2011, 10:23:51 AM

Anyone know how the "open" tryouts work? I asked because we where there on Saturday and the tryouts where less then what a normal club tryout is (1998 group), made me wonder if this was more of a fund raiser then an "open" tryout. No my DD did not make it which is fine no hard feelings at all, we wanted her to get a feel of how the tryouts went. Just was trying to figure if the team is picked ahead of time (like most clubs) or if it is a true open tryout

Good question that I don't know anyone really has the honest answer to and is willing to say

That said, I know that some girls who were pretty much new to the EPD thing and unknown to the coaches made the first cut last weekend, so to some extent there must have been some true "openness" to it.

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