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[sounderfan]

http://goalwa.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/washington-youth-soccer-launches-regional-club-league-junior-academy-program/

This is a *PRESS RELEASE*. My posting of this information does not inherently express my approval of disapproval of its contents.

FEDERAL WAY, WASHINGTON (Fri., Nov. 18) – Washington Youth Soccer today announced the new Regional Club League (RCL) Junior Academy Program, which will open in 2012.
 The program, the result of a year of careful planning with the Regional Club Subcommittee and RCL Clubs, will integrate Washington Youth Soccer’s Long Term Player Development Plan (LTPD) and further modernize the game in our state to match the needs of our players.

[EWSoccer64]

Everyone new this was coming. 

Wait until the next shoe drops - mandatory association wide tryouts with the designated RCL team selecting the players for all their teams before the select teams can be formed.

[sounderfan]

Everyone new this was coming. 

Wait until the next shoe drops - mandatory association wide tryouts with the designated RCL team selecting the players for all their teams before the select teams can be formed.

That went over really well in Kitsap. 

[wanderer]

EW -- You need to keep up. This already in the formative stages by an RCL club domiciled at Starfire.  And, yes, it is going over really well.  Hah.

[EWSoccer64]

EW -- You need to keep up. This already in the formative stages by an RCL club domiciled at Starfire.  And, yes, it is going over really well.  Hah.

Err, one of the finer points of understatement is the ability to couch outrageous things in the future that have already started to occur, to elicit surprise by those who would normally be outraged by such things.   

[sounderfan]

I am working on a follow-up interview with WYS about this announcement (likely with one of the RCL coaches).

What questions do you have / suggest I ask?

[mhall]

Hey SF!

Here's a few questions!  What's the cost?  Will there be a national set of training objectives so all kids who get the additional technical training are receiving the same training?  In other words, a place like Barcelona trains one methodology thus allowing all players who go through their program to be trained in "their" program.  So, will we end up with a group of kids across the country who have been taught to play the same style of soccer?

[Scrunch]

Well, there are a few questions that come up.

1.  US Soccer's development directives are not specific in any way/shape/form.   So how does one translate that into real specifics and who is qualified to translate that?  Is that WYS's redefined role?  Will each RCL club be granted flexibility or will it be designed by one party.

2.  Most RCL clubs have coaches that have been licensed by USSF.  Most are very busy.  Is there some concept that these clubs will fabricate new coaches to delivery this curriculum.

3.  Is the entity being granted delivery really the one most capable to deliver it? Many that live in RCL world recognize it is not at all focused on player development.  Why force them to assume this role?

4. Why is the state involved? Does it believe there needs to be a middle-man between US Soccer and the member clubs? Are the RCL clubs soccer leadership, Gary's peer, unable to translate the specifications from US Soccer to require this 3rd party to be involved?

5.  Has any thought been given that the series of activities taken by WYS will alienate a large majority of the playing population even in the associations hosting RCL clubs and the result will be access to fewer and fewer non-RCL players for these programs?

6. Has WYS considered doing sometihng in partnership with all youth soccer entities or does it believe all of the next set of youth national team players will come from USYSA and not from USCS, AYSO, SAY and other organizations.

Seems like a race between competing  interests to the bottom of the youth soccer community.

Many in RCL say they need access to players earlier but one can argue they are not meeting their mandate with the existing customer base.

[mhall]

Great comments Scrunch!

I was wondering the same regarding whether this limits to only kids within the RCL because if that is so, it alienates a large majority of the soccer community at that age!

[sounderfan]

Thanks. Keep'em coming.

[windy90]

Thanks. Keep'em coming.

It would be nice if WYS would come on this forum and answer questions directly.

Sounderfan can you contact Gary directly (when he gets back from his Winter Getaway in Guam)...  Current temp 88F low 76F, sunny all week..

1.  Obviously other than the RCL DOC and Gary White, were any affected rec/micro/mod programs currently in existance consulted?  WYS state select or rec committee?

2.  How many state associations have voted and accepted the original RCL charter to date?

3.  How is it possible to select players at 5 or 6 to play in RCL leagues?

4.  What will be the costs compared to rec/select leagues?

5.  Where in the US are high level leagues running at this age?

Thanks Sounderfan..

[EWSoccer64]

Here is a funny - The TCYSA is one of two associations that are known to have signed the RCL charter (after much arm twisting).   It is basically a one club association (3Rivers).    The association plays a rec program in fall and spring for the U-6 to U-11s.  It will not scrap the spring for any RCL Academy or any other reason.   Further, 3Rivers lacks the infrastructure or manpower to put something like this on. 
    The current 3Rivers academy is not a vehicle that could be expanded into this type of operation for a variety of reasons.
    So one doubts that this is going to be implemented in the Tri-Cities.    Eventually, I expect that 3Rivers will put together a special, costly "academy" program where youth rec kids come in once per week for additional training while still playing with their own teams.

[windy90]

Here is a funny - The TCYSA is one of two associations that are known to have signed the RCL charter (after much arm twisting).   It is basically a one club association (3Rivers).    The association plays a rec program in fall and spring for the U-6 to U-11s.  It will not scrap the spring for any RCL Academy or any other reason.   Further, 3Rivers lacks the infrastructure or manpower to put something like this on. 
    The current 3Rivers academy is not a vehicle that could be expanded into this type of operation for a variety of reasons.
    So one doubts that this is going to be implemented in the Tri-Cities.    Eventually, I expect that 3Rivers will put together a special, costly "academy" program where youth rec kids come in once per week for additional training while still playing with their own teams.

What do you mean only 2 associations have accepted the RCL charter?  Where is this info?

[EWSoccer64]

The last I heard, only the SYSA, the Tri-Cities Youth Soccer Association and six other clubs actually had signed the charter, all with certain non-standard provisions.  Everyone else is more or less going along with it, but everyone else has refused to sign for one reason or another.  The debate on TPCJSA signing actually leaked onto this website.   Late this summer, there was some fanfare as the WSYSA and Todd Lincoln announced several associations' signings were imminent, but then the flow of news dried up.   From that, one would expect that most of the signings never actually took place.  Perhaps half a dozen did.   The majority of the RCL clubs and associations (almost 2/3s) have not signed.

For one thing, the RCL clubs lose leverage by permanently locking themselves into the WSYSA.   The Big Clubs lose some of their clout over the little clubs, and the little clubs lose the option to leave if Big Club tyranny becomes too onerous.  And the associations are leery about giving up so much control over their operations and their constituents to the state and to a member club.   And the non-RCL clubs in every association positively hate the RCL and everything it stands for, and are against their associations signing.   So there are lots of reasons NOT to sign, particularly when an association and the RCL club get full benefits without signing.

[Bathos]

...For one thing, the RCL clubs lose leverage by permanently locking themselves into the WSYSA.   The Big Clubs lose some of their clout over the little clubs, and the little clubs lose the option to leave if Big Club tyranny becomes too onerous.  And the associations are leery about giving up so much control over their operations and their constituents to the state and to a member club...

Please excuse my noob ignorance, but is SYSA/Seattle United unique in having the association itself run the RCL club?  It would seem that the principles of "seamless soccer" would imply ever greater centralization and larger clubs.  Obviously, SYSA was successful in expelling all the little clubs, but isn't that generally one of the purposes of RCL, to keep out the little clubs?

So, and I'm really asking from ignorance, it seems like RCL doesn't want the little clubs anyway, and this gives the big clubs even greater clout, so why would the big clubs be against this?  It does set up an end game between the one remaining big club and the association, but isn't SYSA/SU supposed to be the model of how it should work?

[EWSoccer64]

Bathos, the RCL Charter Agreement, when signed by the RCL Club (argueably) permanently commits the club to staying in WSYSA, abiding by the WSYSA rules and oversight, and removes the leverage the clubs had hitherto held of being able to bolt to USCS and running their own PDL.   That leverage is what the clubs are giving up by signing the charter.

...For one thing, the RCL clubs lose leverage by permanently locking themselves into the WSYSA.   The Big Clubs lose some of their clout over the little clubs, and the little clubs lose the option to leave if Big Club tyranny becomes too onerous.  And the associations are leery about giving up so much control over their operations and their constituents to the state and to a member club...

Please excuse my noob ignorance, but is SYSA/Seattle United unique in having the association itself run the RCL club?  It would seem that the principles of "seamless soccer" would imply ever greater centralization and larger clubs.  Obviously, SYSA was successful in expelling all the little clubs, but isn't that generally one of the purposes of RCL, to keep out the little clubs?

So, and I'm really asking from ignorance, it seems like RCL doesn't want the little clubs anyway, and this gives the big clubs even greater clout, so why would the big clubs be against this?  It does set up an end game between the one remaining big club and the association, but isn't SYSA/SU supposed to be the model of how it should work?

[windy90]

Bathos, the RCL Charter Agreement, when signed by the RCL Club (argueably) permanently commits the club to staying in WSYSA, abiding by the WSYSA rules and oversight, and removes the leverage the clubs had hitherto held of being able to bolt to USCS and running their own PDL.   That leverage is what the clubs are giving up by signing the charter.

...For one thing, the RCL clubs lose leverage by permanently locking themselves into the WSYSA.   The Big Clubs lose some of their clout over the little clubs, and the little clubs lose the option to leave if Big Club tyranny becomes too onerous.  And the associations are leery about giving up so much control over their operations and their constituents to the state and to a member club...

Please excuse my noob ignorance, but is SYSA/Seattle United unique in having the association itself run the RCL club?  It would seem that the principles of "seamless soccer" would imply ever greater centralization and larger clubs.  Obviously, SYSA was successful in expelling all the little clubs, but isn't that generally one of the purposes of RCL, to keep out the little clubs?

So, and I'm really asking from ignorance, it seems like RCL doesn't want the little clubs anyway, and this gives the big clubs even greater clout, so why would the big clubs be against this?  It does set up an end game between the one remaining big club and the association, but isn't SYSA/SU supposed to be the model of how it should work?

EWSOCCER  -

You shall not hitherto use WSYSA when referring to Washington Youth Soccer.....  --"When referring to Washington Youth Soccer, please refer to the association only as Washington Youth Soccer, and never as WYS or WSYSA. We appreciate your cooperation.  -Gary White

[EWSoccer64]

LOL, Windy!

That is why I choose to use the official initials of WSYSA rather than its new trade/marketing set of initials.  The implied claim to be The One And Only Youth Soccer Organization in this state is grandiose, bombastic, inaccurate and self-serving.    And I enjoy tweaking the noses of fools, just ask around!

[windy90]

Ironically, when you do a Google search for WSYSA on WSYSA official website www.wsysa.com;  Google  wsysa site:www.wsysa.com

The acronym WSYSA appears 17,400 times on their own website domain www.wsysa.com

WYS official press releases: "When referring to Washington Youth Soccer, please refer to the association only as Washington Youth Soccer, and never as WYS or WSYSA. We appreciate your cooperation."

I think WSYSA is more about W$Y$A. 

WSYSA has the highest paid staff and highest total wages and benefits than ANY other state association in US.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>WSYSA has the highest paid staff and highest total wages and benefits than ANY other state association in US.<<<

Now that is very interesting.   Can you cite a source for that info?

[NKSoccerFan]

Ironically, when you do a Google search for WSYSA on WSYSA official website www.wsysa.com;  Google  wsysa site:www.wsysa.com

The acronym WSYSA appears 17,400 times on their own website domain www.wsysa.com

And...
Google wsysa and get 83,600 results,
top result being Washington State Youth Soccer Association followed by
- Regional Club League (RCL)
- District 6
- WSYSA District II
- WSYSA District 1
- WSYSA District IV
- Welcome to District III Soccer Website
- WSYSA Rules of Competition
- WSYSA / District 6 - Tri-Cities Soccer Referees Assocation - TCSRA

Google WYS and get 42,8000,000 results,
top result being Washington Youth Soccer (www.wsysa.com) followed by
- Wrentham Youth Soccer
- WYS-SMS Dictionary
- WYS - What does WYS Stand for? Acromyms and abbreviations by...
- Flights to WYS, West Yellowstone, MT | Expedia
- Chad Wys, Artist
- WetYourSelf - WYS!
- Yellowstone AIrport - Wikipedia
- Central Europen Centre for Women and Youth Science

Which is the more meaningful result?

[chicken wing]

>>>>WSYSA has the highest paid staff and highest total wages and benefits than ANY other state association in US.<<<

Now that is very interesting.   Can you cite a source for that info?

Here EWSoccer and Windy;

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 132k kids, run leagues for over 1,800 teams (youth and adult).  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Washington Youth Soccer Association
Approved Salary and Benefit Package $ 1,075,950.00
Terry Fisher reported 2009 Salary $ 138,654 + Benefits $ 31,022, Total Package  $ 169,676
Total budget:  $ 3, 400,000

Cal South Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 764,264.00
Total budget:  $ 6,448,887
If the WYS Executive Board ran Cal South in the same manner, salaries would have to exceed $ 2,000,000 based on actual revenues.

Cal North Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 670,756.00
Total budget:  $ 6,032,314

Oregon Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 528,509.00

Idaho Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 170,280.00

Hawaii Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 0.00

[tripleplay]

Here EWSoccer and Windy;

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 200k kids.  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Inaccurate. Correct that CalSouth is open. But Coast League is now 2nd league, having been supplanted by SCDSL. Neither of the leagues is strictly open in that they both have membership requirements determined by governing members. It was a conflict over Coast's that led to the creation of the new league. Neither league is run by CalSouth but both are sanctioned by it. Both have significant costs associated with the operation of the leagues, but they aren't CalSouth costs.

A model where players, teams and clubs have a say in their own fate? Far too radical for Washington where what is important is giving the politicians who've triumphed in the process a chance to tell everyone else what to do.

[Futsal]

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 200k kids.  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Cal South does not have 200k kids registered ... in 2009-2010 they had only 136k kids and 8k adults

[chicken wing]

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 200k kids.  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Cal South does not have 200k kids registered ... in 2009-2010 they had only 136k kids and 8k adults

Corrected it... took the number 200k from total players... Cal South runs adult leagues also.  132k Kids is correct.

Is Terry Fisher over the 200k mark this year with the massive state budget salary increases from 2009-2011?

[EWSoccer64]

While not defending the WSYSA, it is important to be as accurate as possible in one's criticism.  As the top leagues in Cal South are not state run, the state assn has minimal costs associated with them.  What costs these leagues have are dealt with internally.   So the point of the RCL being state run is a point in favor of increased WSYSA costs and payroll, not against it.
   It would be interesting to see what the numbers are for Texas, New York, Virginia, Ohio and Illinois.
  Washington has what, 120,000 kids in WSYSA?

>>>>WSYSA has the highest paid staff and highest total wages and benefits than ANY other state association in US.<<<

Now that is very interesting.   Can you cite a source for that info?

Here EWSoccer and Windy;

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 132k kids, run leagues for over 1,800 teams (youth and adult).  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Washington Youth Soccer Association
Approved Salary and Benefit Package $ 1,075,950.00
Terry Fisher reported 2009 Salary $ 138,654 + Benefits $ 31,022, Total Package  $ 169,676
Total budget:  $ 3, 400,000

Cal South Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 764,264.00
Total budget:  $ 6,448,887
If the WYS Executive Board ran Cal South in the same manner, salaries would have to exceed $ 2,000,000 based on actual revenues.

Cal North Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 670,756.00
Total budget:  $ 6,032,314

Oregon Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 528,509.00

Idaho Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 170,280.00

Hawaii Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 0.00

[chicken wing]

While not defending the WSYSA, it is important to be as accurate as possible in one's criticism.  As the top leagues in Cal South are not state run, the state assn has minimal costs associated with them.  What costs these leagues have are dealt with internally.   So the point of the RCL being state run is a point in favor of increased WSYSA costs and payroll, not against it.
   It would be interesting to see what the numbers are for Texas, New York, Virginia, Ohio and Illinois.
  Washington has what, 120,000 kids in WSYSA?

>>>>WSYSA has the highest paid staff and highest total wages and benefits than ANY other state association in US.<<<

Now that is very interesting.   Can you cite a source for that info?

Here EWSoccer and Windy;

Information from WSYSA and Guidestar.  The largest state association is Cal South with 132k kids, run leagues for over 1,800 teams (youth and adult).  The Cal South Coast league format is open, rather than the monopoly RCL in WA.  I guess it costs more money to run the RCL in WA than the best premier open league in the US - Coast League.  

Washington Youth Soccer Association
Approved Salary and Benefit Package $ 1,075,950.00
Terry Fisher reported 2009 Salary $ 138,654 + Benefits $ 31,022, Total Package  $ 169,676
Total budget:  $ 3, 400,000

Cal South Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 764,264.00
Total budget:  $ 6,448,887
If the WYS Executive Board ran Cal South in the same manner, salaries would have to exceed $ 2,000,000 based on actual revenues.

Cal North Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 670,756.00
Total budget:  $ 6,032,314

Oregon Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 528,509.00

Idaho Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 170,280.00

Hawaii Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 0.00

New York east Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 334,224

New York west Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 392,550

Virginia Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 704,542

Florida Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 484,857

Illinois Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 464,199

Ohio Youth Soccer Association - North
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 360,059

Ohio Youth Soccer Association - South
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 463,215

Arizona Youth Soccer Association
2010 Total Salary and Benefits $ 198,916

(Can't locate Texas... looks like they are having problems)

WSYSA is the first and only member of the millionaires soccer club.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>WSYSA is the first and only member of the millionaires soccer club.<<<<

And all the naysayers thought that Washingotn couldn't be #1 in anything to do with soccer!