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[sounderfan]

http://www.examiner.com/soccer-in-national/d1-college-soccer-jeopardy-as-ncaa-moves-to-eliminate-spring-competition

All NCAA Division 1 sports face a 10% reduction in competition, but the sports targeted for major cuts through elimination of spring competition are soccer, volleyball, women’s lacrosse, field hockey, softball and cross country. Division 1 football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, and men’s lacrosse would not be affected by the elimination of non-championship season competition. Nor would Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA schools be affected.

[ThiKuBC]

Brings up a bigger topic - "why would an elite soccer player choose college soccer?".....college soccer was already too short and now it'll be even less....

[yote19]

definately a different time and I definately wasn't an elite athlete, but it did pay for my entire college and I had an awesome experience.

[EWSoccer64]

Brings up a bigger topic - "why would an elite soccer player choose college soccer?".....college soccer was already too short and now it'll be even less....

Because a degree in chemical engineering pays better (and much, much longer) than the average American professional soccer player makes.

[metz123]

What a horribly misguided attempt to fix a non existent problem in these sports. The NCAA should focus on where the real academic problems lie, football and basketball.

[ThiKuBC]

They won't touch the gravy train. Easier to pick on the secondary sports.

[yote19]

What is interesting is the volleyball team averages over 3,000 per contest -- that is not a small gate for that team.

[ThiKuBC]

That's a huge number for volleyball..........but what are other team ticket sales like? not near 3000 I assume?

[AmandaDad]

http://www.examiner.com/soccer-in-national/d1-college-soccer-jeopardy-as-ncaa-moves-to-eliminate-spring-competition

All NCAA Division 1 sports face a 10% reduction in competition, but the sports targeted for major cuts through elimination of spring competition are soccer, volleyball, women’s lacrosse, field hockey, softball and cross country. Division 1 football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, and men’s lacrosse would not be affected by the elimination of non-championship season competition. Nor would Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA schools be affected.

How are they getting around title 9?

[EWSoccer64]

http://www.examiner.com/soccer-in-national/d1-college-soccer-jeopardy-as-ncaa-moves-to-eliminate-spring-competition

All NCAA Division 1 sports face a 10% reduction in competition, but the sports targeted for major cuts through elimination of spring competition are soccer, volleyball, women’s lacrosse, field hockey, softball and cross country. Division 1 football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, and men’s lacrosse would not be affected by the elimination of non-championship season competition. Nor would Division 2, Division 3 and NAIA schools be affected.

How are they getting around title 9?

Not sure that title 9 applies in this situation.

[AmandaDad]

Doesn't title 9 basically say that you have to give the gals "equal" opportunity to participate based on gender percentages of the student body in general? What was proposed seems like cutting a few guy sports slots and a bunch of gal sports slots. This should take many schools significantly out of compliance. The argument on one side will be "we are not eliminating the sports completely so they should still count against the equality numbers," the argument on the other side will be "a short season does not count the same as a long season."

[EWSoccer64]

Doesn't title 9 basically say that you have to give the gals equal opportunity to participate based on gender percentages of the student body in general? What was proposed seems like cutting a few guy sports slots and a bunch of gal sports slots. This should take many schools significantly out of compliance.

Two things.
1.  Title Nine does not require equality based on gender percentages or even funding.   Boradly speaking, with the carve out for Football (and where is the logic in that?), it requires that the number of varsity sports be equal between females and males.   There is a whole body of law regarding Title IX, and I am sure that there others around here who can give a much better explanation, including the football carve out (which does have some funding impacts, as I understand it).
2.  Spring, (non-season) sports do not neccessarily apply, as they are not "official".  These "extras" are not taking away from the official varsity programs in terms of opportunities for people to participate in them.

[AmandaDad]

Seems like loophole talk to me

[Left Foot]

Doesn't title 9 basically say that you have to give the gals equal opportunity to participate based on gender percentages of the student body in general? What was proposed seems like cutting a few guy sports slots and a bunch of gal sports slots. This should take many schools significantly out of compliance.

Two things.
1.  Title Nine does not require equality based on gender percentages or even funding.   Boradly speaking, with the carve out for Football (and where is the logic in that?), it requires that the number of varsity sports be equal between females and males.   There is a whole body of law regarding Title IX, and I am sure that there others around here who can give a much better explanation, including the football carve out (which does have some funding impacts, as I understand it).
2.  Spring, (non-season) sports do not neccessarily apply, as they are not "official".  These "extras" are not taking away from the official varsity programs in terms of opportunities for people to participate in them.

I wonder... Would providing a 1 game season for the girls and a 13 game season for the men be providing an opportunity for the women? Do bowl games count for anything? Nope...except for money. I like the comment above that this is really solving a problem that doesn't exist. DD's college soccer team has 12 players with GPAs over 3.4 I believe. Talk about a slap in the face for soccer in this country....especially for the women!

[EWSoccer64]

Seems like loophole talk to me

Title IX - because of the legal nature of it, and because of the college FB carve out - is all about loopholes.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>I wonder... Would providing a 1 game season for the girls and a 13 game season for the men be providing an opportunity for the women? Do bowl games count for anything? Nope...except for money. I like the comment above that this is really solving a problem that doesn't exist. DD's college soccer team has 12 players with GPAs over 3.4 I believe. Talk about a slap in the face for soccer in this country....especially for the women!<<<

In some circumstances, if the nature of the "season" were defined as a loser out tournament, then yes, a 1 game season for girls could count the same as a 13 game season for boys, where there was only a bowl game at the end.

And if you want to talk about a slap in the face for soccer in this country, talk about how there are twice as many girls 4 year college soccer programs as there are for the boys.

And lest anyone mistake my points here, I am all for equality of opportunity in college (and all school) athletics and activities for girls.  And I recently got into a nasty (but inadvertant on my part) debate with a girls HS cheerleading coach about how cheerleading should not be counted as a HS sport.

[Left Foot]

>>>I wonder... Would providing a 1 game season for the girls and a 13 game season for the men be providing an opportunity for the women? Do bowl games count for anything? Nope...except for money. I like the comment above that this is really solving a problem that doesn't exist. DD's college soccer team has 12 players with GPAs over 3.4 I believe. Talk about a slap in the face for soccer in this country....especially for the women!<<<

In some circumstances, if the nature of the "season" were defined as a loser out tournament, then yes, a 1 game season for girls could count the same as a 13 game season for boys, where there was only a bowl game at the end.

And if you want to talk about a slap in the face for soccer in this country, talk about how there are twice as many girls 4 year college soccer programs as there are for the boys.

And lest anyone mistake my points here, I am all for equality of opportunity in college (and all school) athletics and activities for girls.  And I recently got into a nasty (but inadvertant on my part) debate with a girls HS cheerleading coach about how cheerleading should not be counted as a HS sport.

>In some circumstances, if the nature of the "season" were defined as a loser out tournament, then yes, a 1 game season for girls could count the same as a 13 game season for boys, where there was only a bowl game at the end.<

Do you know of this sort of situation? Wouldn't seem like the same opportunity to me.

And it is a bummer for the men. I guess I was referring more to the availablity of a more and more vibrant men's professional league as opposed to the very limited WPS.

Saw an intersting stat. Which sport had the higher average attendance last year? MLS, NBA?

[sounderfan]

Related, sort of: The little schools are the "Big Fish" in NCAA soccer:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204262304577068500242533514.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[sounderfan]

The next move:

http://www.examiner.com/soccer-in-national/ncaa-moves-forward-to-eliminate-all-division-1-international-tours

[juggles]

The international travel issue is relatively minor. Big news is that there will be no 10% reduction in season and that spring soccer will not be eliminated.