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[CROCK]

Where can the ball placed for a corner kick?  Yes, FIFA rules say the ball is to be in the corner arc, but what is "in" the corner arc? http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12_en.pdf

Since the field includes the lines and a ball is in the field of play until it has entirely passed over either the goal line or touch line, does the same rational hold for corner kicks?  Can the ball be mostly outside the corner arc but still be considered "in" the corner arc?

[eastofthe206]

...as long as some part of the ball is touching the line that defines the arc then it is within the arc, not without.  There...I said it from memory, didn't look at the LOWG, doggone hope I'm right!

[EWSoccer64]

You are right.

[Soccer Wonk]

I believe the principles in play here (or in some cases, out of play) are:

1. The lines on the field are part of the areas they enclose.
2. In determining whether the ball is outside of an area, the threshold is "the whole of the ball beyond the whole of the line."

[eastofthe206]

every time I go to a referee continuing education class, and I hate to say this 'cause it sounds like I am kissing b***, I am in awe of the instructors.  What I know could fit into the tip of their little finger, with room left over.  Learning everday!

[ThiKuBC]

So NONE of the ball can be outside the arc? Or all but the tiniest bit has to be INSIDE the white line?

[Firedog]

Any part of the ball has to touch the arc, goal, or touchline.

[Otter]

So NONE of the ball can be outside the arc? Or all but the tiniest bit has to be INSIDE the white line?[/b]

Only "...the tiniest bit..." has to be on the line that is the corner arc or the goal line or the touch line. 

As others have said, the entire ball has to be across the entire line in question for it to be incorrect positioning of the ball at a corner kick.

If you go to page 130 of the 2011/2012 FIFA LOTG referenced by CROCK there is a diagram of correct and incorrect ball positions for a corner kick.

[SidePitch]

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=corner+kick&start=325&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=986&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=QGgDElUfEEsHLM:&imgrefurl=http://www.fifa.com/womensworldcup/photo/146/405/5/picture.html&docid=Ip53pzyT6L2AFM&imgurl=http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/01/46/40/55/1464055_full-lnd.jpg&w=652&h=354&ei=PNTPTvS4OuHjiAK8u8TCCw&zoom=1&chk=sbg&iact=rc&dur=157&sig=118267942236201338087&page=35&tbnh=90&tbnw=165&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:325&tx=148&ty=81


Would this be correct?

[sounderfan]

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=corner+kick&start=325&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=986&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=QGgDElUfEEsHLM:&imgrefurl=http://www.fifa.com/womensworldcup/photo/146/405/5/picture.html&docid=Ip53pzyT6L2AFM&imgurl=http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/01/46/40/55/1464055_full-lnd.jpg&w=652&h=354&ei=PNTPTvS4OuHjiAK8u8TCCw&zoom=1&chk=sbg&iact=rc&dur=157&sig=118267942236201338087&page=35&tbnh=90&tbnw=165&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:325&tx=148&ty=81


Would this be correct?

Not if the AR is paying attention.

[tripleplay]

So NONE of the ball can be outside the arc? Or all but the tiniest bit has to be INSIDE the white line?[/b]

Only "...the tiniest bit..." has to be on the line that is the corner arc or the goal line or the touch line. 

As others have said, the entire ball has to be across the entire line in question for it to be incorrect positioning of the ball at a corner kick.

If you go to page 130 of the 2011/2012 FIFA LOTG referenced by CROCK there is a diagram of correct and incorrect ball positions for a corner kick.

In SidePitch' example, part of the ball appears to be directly above the line, but no part of the ball is touching the line. Legal? The diagram referenced above doesn't have this case.

[ThiKuBC]

I understand the rule better now.

@ TP - as the ball is round it need not have a part of it touching the line - merely part of the ball being over the line as viewed from directly above or the side.

[tripleplay]

I understand the rule better now.

@ TP - as the ball is round it need not have a part of it touching the line - merely part of the ball being over the line as viewed from directly above or the side.

As I thought, and consistent with SoccerWonk's description. sounderfan's answer to SidePitch' question looks wrong to me.

[Oneblindmouse]

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=corner+kick&start=325&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=986&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=QGgDElUfEEsHLM:&imgrefurl=http://www.fifa.com/womensworldcup/photo/146/405/5/picture.html&docid=Ip53pzyT6L2AFM&imgurl=http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/01/46/40/55/1464055_full-lnd.jpg&w=652&h=354&ei=PNTPTvS4OuHjiAK8u8TCCw&zoom=1&chk=sbg&iact=rc&dur=157&sig=118267942236201338087&page=35&tbnh=90&tbnw=165&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:325&tx=148&ty=81


Would this be correct?

Not if the AR is paying attention.

Nope, this would be acceptable, as the ball is ever so barely above the arc line, barely....

[plentyofgames]

Other than to get the ball out of a hole, or off of bad ground, I've never understood why players push the placement of the ball outside the arc. The ball's going to be played to a spot some 30-40 yards away, a few inches either way isn't going to matter. To me it's like guys who tee up their golf ball right at, or just over, the tee marker before hitting a drive. The hole is hundreds of yards long -- a couple of inches isn't going to matter. Play by the rules -- it's easier.

[Black Knight]

Other than to get the ball out of a hole, or off of bad ground, I've never understood why players push the placement of the ball outside the arc. The ball's going to be played to a spot some 30-40 yards away, a few inches either way isn't going to matter. To me it's like guys who tee up their golf ball right at, or just over, the tee marker before hitting a drive. The hole is hundreds of yards long -- a couple of inches isn't going to matter. Play by the rules -- it's easier.

I used to take Corner kicks, and i'll be honest those few inches can make a huge difference. Now you got to go with me a little on this, sometimes it matters cuz we have all seen corner flags that won't stand up straight so kicking that ball can sometimes be rough and we need those few inches. But  more than that we know sports are a mental game, so if you feel more confident about your placement based off a few inches then that will help you have more confidence and most likely result in a better kick. Now remember i'm not talking about professional fields where the grass is cut perfect and in those cases the ball placement means a lot less, but in most of our situation its based on how well the field is and how good the corner flag is. Those seem to be the biggest factors in kicking the corners.