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[OREsoccer]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

[tripleplay]

The compelling reason is the rules are established ahead of time, everybody knows what is required, and it is settled on the field rather than by somebody's judgment of who belongs where and the politics that would invariably enter into those judgments.  Further, its not the end of the world if a team that is reasonably competitive in a higher division is relegated to a lower division due to finishing 7th or 8th.  Perhaps the lower division is competitive as well and the competition is perfectly adequate in the lower division.  And if that turns out not to be the case and the relegated team cleans up the lower division, they'll move back up.

One of my favorite arguments. It won't kill you, so who cares if we screw up? Well doing things right won't kill you either!

Political judgements are being made either way. (BTW was this policy actually pronounced at the beginning of the season?) It's just that the one you like is simplistic and leads to competitive mismatches. My opinion is that competitiveness is important. We shouldn't relegate competitive teams or promote teams that won't be competitive. Period. Out of curiosity, what is your opinion of Crossfire A entering the division? Is that possibility explicitly dealt with in your regulations?

[cleo99]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

I hope you mean to say they did it. Unless you were a player on the field. bragging and holding resentment doesn't help.
I do find it very questionably that onyx ended up at surf cup  instead of going to regionals last year if thier the top dog. thats a no brainer
any ideas?

[OREsoccer]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

I hope you mean to say they did it. Unless you were a player on the field. bragging and holding resentment doesn't help.
I do find it very questionably that onyx ended up at surf cup  instead of going to regionals last year if thier the top dog. thats a no brainer
any ideas?

I'm going to take a guess that you're a Crossfire parent by your slight attitude. All the WA parents were extremely nice and supportive except for the Crossfire ones. Not sure if it's a club wide thing or just the U13G age group. Onyx didn't go to Regionals last year because Onyx is part of the OPL which last year was not sanctioned by OYSA so could not participate in the USYSA Regionals. Every top club in Oregon is in the OPL which is currently sanctioned by US Club soccer though there is a rumor that there might be dual sanctioning this year. And I would never find it questionable to go to Surf Cup.

Might I ask where the resentment in my post was? Onyx enjoys playing the WA teams and WPFC gave them a great game. It was extremely fun to watch. The final wasn't close but I can tell you that the Onyx girls are always excited to play Crossfire as they're a great team as well.

[cleo99]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

I hope you mean to say they did it. Unless you were a player on the field. bragging and holding resentment doesn't help.
I do find it very questionably that onyx ended up at surf cup  instead of going to regionals last year if thier the top dog. thats a no brainer
any ideas?

I'm going to take a guess that you're a Crossfire parent by your slight attitude. All the WA parents were extremely nice and supportive except for the Crossfire ones. Not sure if it's a club wide thing or just the U13G age group. Onyx didn't go to Regionals last year because Onyx is part of the OPL which last year was not sanctioned by OYSA so could not participate in the USYSA Regionals. Every top club in Oregon is in the OPL which is currently sanctioned by US Club soccer though there is a rumor that there might be dual sanctioning this year. And I would never find it questionable to go to Surf Cup.

Might I ask where the resentment in my post was? Onyx enjoys playing the WA teams and WPFC gave them a great game. It was extremely fun to watch. The final wasn't close but I can tell you that the Onyx girls are always excited to play Crossfire as they're a great team as well.

No attitude. keeping it real. thier is clearly resentment with missing the final 4 last time. I'm hopeful you don't necissarily represent most the parents as well. It's a complete group of players you have the benefit of rooting for.  xfire in my opinion is lacking a decent coach right now. they should be more consistant. I was wrong in assuming surf was chosen over regionals. any coach given the opportunity would have questionable judgment if they did that. I have to add I wittnessed probably the worst lack of integrity. when at the US club regionals onyx lost 2-1
and walk away in defiance. am I wrong? maybe it was the coach.  this is a stand up great group of parents to be on the sideline with never the less.

[OREsoccer]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

I hope you mean to say they did it. Unless you were a player on the field. bragging and holding resentment doesn't help.
I do find it very questionably that onyx ended up at surf cup  instead of going to regionals last year if thier the top dog. thats a no brainer
any ideas?

I'm going to take a guess that you're a Crossfire parent by your slight attitude. All the WA parents were extremely nice and supportive except for the Crossfire ones. Not sure if it's a club wide thing or just the U13G age group. Onyx didn't go to Regionals last year because Onyx is part of the OPL which last year was not sanctioned by OYSA so could not participate in the USYSA Regionals. Every top club in Oregon is in the OPL which is currently sanctioned by US Club soccer though there is a rumor that there might be dual sanctioning this year. And I would never find it questionable to go to Surf Cup.

Might I ask where the resentment in my post was? Onyx enjoys playing the WA teams and WPFC gave them a great game. It was extremely fun to watch. The final wasn't close but I can tell you that the Onyx girls are always excited to play Crossfire as they're a great team as well.

No attitude. keeping it real. thier is clearly resentment with missing the final 4 last time. I'm hopeful you don't necissarily represent most the parents as well. It's a complete group of players you have the benefit of rooting for.  xfire in my opinion is lacking a decent coach right now. they should be more consistant. I was wrong in assuming surf was chosen over regionals. any coach given the opportunity would have questionable judgment if they did that. I have to add I wittnessed probably the worst lack of integrity. when at the US club regionals onyx lost 2-1
and walk away in defiance. am I wrong? maybe it was the coach.  this is a stand up great group of parents to be on the sideline with never the less.

Can I ask what it is that I said that seemed to offend you so much? I was nothing but nice and gave many compliments to the WA teams. There is no resentment on my part what so ever. Last years scheduling was all messed up that is true but it was no excuse for Onyx not to get to the semi finals. You gotta win your games and that's all that is too it. I just can't understand why Crossfire parents can't give the Onyx girls some credit. As far as I know (and I could be wrong as my daughter has not been on the team long) Crossfire has never beaten Onyx and Onyx has beaten Crossfire 4-1 twice now. They also did what no other team in OR or WA could do this season, beat WPFC. Now the next time any of these teams meet it could easily be a different outcome as I feel anytime WPFC, Crossfire, Onyx, NW Nationals or Eastside meet it's anyones game. All fo them are great teams with a great group of girls.

[cleo99]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

I hope you mean to say they did it. Unless you were a player on the field. bragging and holding resentment doesn't help.
I do find it very questionably that onyx ended up at surf cup  instead of going to regionals last year if thier the top dog. thats a no brainer
any ideas?

I'm going to take a guess that you're a Crossfire parent by your slight attitude. All the WA parents were extremely nice and supportive except for the Crossfire ones. Not sure if it's a club wide thing or just the U13G age group. Onyx didn't go to Regionals last year because Onyx is part of the OPL which last year was not sanctioned by OYSA so could not participate in the USYSA Regionals. Every top club in Oregon is in the OPL which is currently sanctioned by US Club soccer though there is a rumor that there might be dual sanctioning this year. And I would never find it questionable to go to Surf Cup.

Might I ask where the resentment in my post was? Onyx enjoys playing the WA teams and WPFC gave them a great game. It was extremely fun to watch. The final wasn't close but I can tell you that the Onyx girls are always excited to play Crossfire as they're a great team as well.

No attitude. keeping it real. thier is clearly resentment with missing the final 4 last time. I'm hopeful you don't necissarily represent most the parents as well. It's a complete group of players you have the benefit of rooting for.  xfire in my opinion is lacking a decent coach right now. they should be more consistant. I was wrong in assuming surf was chosen over regionals. any coach given the opportunity would have questionable judgment if they did that. I have to add I wittnessed probably the worst lack of integrity. when at the US club regionals onyx lost 2-1
and walk away in defiance. am I wrong? maybe it was the coach.  this is a stand up great group of parents to be on the sideline with never the less.

Can I ask what it is that I said that seemed to offend you so much? I was nothing but nice and gave many compliments to the WA teams. There is no resentment on my part what so ever. Last years scheduling was all messed up that is true but it was no excuse for Onyx not to get to the semi finals. You gotta win your games and that's all that is too it. I just can't understand why Crossfire parents can't give the Onyx girls some credit. As far as I know (and I could be wrong as my daughter has not been on the team long) Crossfire has never beaten Onyx and Onyx has beaten Crossfire 4-1 twice now. They also did what no other team in OR or WA could do this season, beat WPFC. Now the next time any of these teams meet it could easily be a different outcome as I feel anytime WPFC, Crossfire, Onyx, NW Nationals or Eastside meet it's anyones game. All fo them are great teams with a great group of girls.

The norm is on this chat site is to give your two cents and give a little love. I think the most successful and fortunate teams need to show integrity by not complaining and bragging too hard. I didn't mean to jump on you. true there are a couple particular issues I've had with onyx. as we're at the top and knowing our players are feeling the pressure and learning what it's like to hold thier composure be respectful. to the contrary I'am not so offended but happy to be have a dialog with you. we are in agreement as far as xfire's inability to be a top team and be eqaul with others. I've tried. they for some reason hold thier noses higher than others in Wa. for the most part they are the worst. Issaquah is a close 2nd. everybody knew long before the wpfc v. onyx was the game of the year.
for GU-13 It lived up to it. I believe thier was only 3 fouls between both which says alot about the coaching and the players.

[FutbolFanatic]

The compelling reason is the rules are established ahead of time, everybody knows what is required, and it is settled on the field rather than by somebody's judgment of who belongs where and the politics that would invariably enter into those judgments.  Further, its not the end of the world if a team that is reasonably competitive in a higher division is relegated to a lower division due to finishing 7th or 8th.  Perhaps the lower division is competitive as well and the competition is perfectly adequate in the lower division.  And if that turns out not to be the case and the relegated team cleans up the lower division, they'll move back up.

One of my favorite arguments. It won't kill you, so who cares if we screw up? Well doing things right won't kill you either!

Political judgements are being made either way. (BTW was this policy actually pronounced at the beginning of the season?) It's just that the one you like is simplistic and leads to competitive mismatches. My opinion is that competitiveness is important. We shouldn't relegate competitive teams or promote teams that won't be competitive. Period. Out of curiosity, what is your opinion of Crossfire A entering the division? Is that possibility explicitly dealt with in your regulations?

You keep ignoring the fact that as the rule works right now, promotion/relegation is settled on the field.  I'd much rather see it settled on the field.  And you jump to the conclusion that making a 7th place team play a promotion/relegation game is a "screw up," apparently because you say it is.  In order for a 7th place team to be relegated, they have to (1) finish in 7th place, AND (2) lose a home game to the 2nd place team in the lower division.  If both of those circumstances occur, I don't see the relegation as a "screw up."  I see it as a perfectly fair result based on what happened on the field.

[tripleplay]

You keep ignoring the fact that as the rule works right now, promotion/relegation is settled on the field.  I'd much rather see it settled on the field.  And you jump to the conclusion that making a 7th place team play a promotion/relegation game is a "screw up," apparently because you say it is.  In order for a 7th place team to be relegated, they have to (1) finish in 7th place, AND (2) lose a home game to the 2nd place team in the lower division.  If both of those circumstances occur, I don't see the relegation as a "screw up."  I see it as a perfectly fair result based on what happened on the field.

You wish to ignore the entire 14 game season where a team finished -1 (or -2 or -3). That's not "settling it on the field".It's ignoring 14 games that took place on the field in favor of going to the added expense of playing an additional game and leaving things to the chance outcome of that single game (not 14 games).

The issue is that we have rules whose purpose is to mix up teams rather than produce valid matchings. I do consider that a "screw up". You might not. Fair enough. We have examples of "everyone in division 1" and they aren't pretty (look at U10) It takes very little more effort to actually place teams where they will get good games than to misplace them. I think it is worth expending that effort. I don't think that screwing teams for a season is ok because we can correct the errors later. Correct them now.

[Soccer Wonk]

The ONLY way to win an argument with a troll is to ignore it.

[EWSoccer64]

The ONLY way to win an argument with a troll is to ignore it.

And if you wait long enough, you will see the troll argueing against the same points he was promoting a year or two before.   Consistency?  No, it depends on what the DoC he is enamormed of is thinking at the current moment.

[tripleplay]

Futbolfanatic is one of the most fact-based posters out there. He has already grasped that "being in 7th place" does not equate to being "uncompetitive." And even if he won't admit it, I'm confident that deep down he really does think competitiveness is important.

Look at Bu10 9v9. The politicians can call it one division but the teams on the field tell a different story. There are 4 or more competition levels among the teams. Playing them together just means that most of the games are outrageous mismatches. Divisions should match actual team performance levels. Division labels should not be viewed as a favor to be doled out by the benevolent king. You're not doing anyone a favor putting them into mismatch after mismatch.

[Treefort]

U16 boys squared off yesterday.  WSM Galacticos knocked out the Federal Way storm 5-1 .  Emerald City and Eastside Pumas also played, I do not know the results.  Anyway the finals are at 1 today

[plentyofgames]

I predicted Oregon would take 3 of 4 on the boys side. WSM at 18 and 16. Not sure who won the 15's but it was two Oregon teams in the finals. I was surprised the FCP 17s lost to Westsound who ended up winning that group. One of the Westsound kids took a hard foul on Saturday and couldn't play on Sunday. Hope he's ok.

[mhall]

BU 16 Emerald City must have played a good game against the Pumas.  The final was 3 to 2, Pumas.  Federal Way played Emerald City on Sunday and won 3 to 0.  It would have been interesting to see how FW would have faired against the Pumas.  What was the score of Galacticos against the Pumas?

[plentyofgames]

BU 16 Emerald City must have played a good game against the Pumas.  The final was 3 to 2, Pumas.  Federal Way played Emerald City of Sunday and won 3 to 0.  It would have been interesting to see how FW would have faired against the Pumas.  What was the score of Galacticos against the Pumas?

4-1 but it was closer game than that. Pumas scored first in middle of first half.  Galacticos tied it shortly after and it stayed tied until the middle of the second. Well taken free kick goal, followed by the goal of the weekend - easy finish after many one touch passes. Ended with a late penalty. Pumas played well.

[mhall]

Thanks plenty!

[Olydawg]

So Oregon got 25% of the titles  - who is surprised at that?

But hey at least we did it in big fashion! WUSC winning the semi 3-0 and I don't know what the final score was. Onyx beating WPFC 3-1 and then trouncing Xfire 4-1. WPFC had a great run up until that point but I think Onyx caught them off guard. Let's at least give these two teams some credit. Washington teams are lucky that they face great competition all year long. If you're a top team in the OPL you face very little competition and I think that makes winning the NWCL even more special.

This was a great game, the onyx have a very good team, they dominated the first half of play whereas WPFC dominated the second half, we just didn't finish well.  Their third goal was a gimme with a couple of minutes left as a defender kicked it back to the goalie when she had already started to slide for the ball, so she let it go by not wanting to pick it up, one of their forwards had an open net to kick in to.

Contgrats to the onyx on winning NWCL, awesome team, looking forward to the next meeting.