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Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« on: December 06, 2011, 02:53:28 PM »

Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
Enumclaw Courier Herald 

Area high schools, like their counterparts throughout the Evergreen State, are preparing for the every-other-year exercise that determines who plays where.

It’s time again for the classification shuffle, where schools sort themselves by size, look at league opportunities and wonder who their future rivals might be.

The drill is mandated by the Washington Interscholastic Athletics and Activities Association, the governing body for all high school sports. The WIAA takes its counts of member schools every two years, tallying the number of students in each high school’s top three grades.

Change in the SPSL 2A

In this area, there is sure to be a change in the eight-team South Puget Sound League 2A ranks. Orting High has outgrown Class 1A and is applying for membership in the 2A league now home to White River, Sumner and others. At the same time, Eatonville has lost enrollment and will be leaving the SPSL 2A, most likely taking Orting’s spot in the Nisqually League.

The head-count range for Class 2A status tops out at 1,085 and settles at 513 on the low end. Orting is looking at a count of about 530, according to Athletic Director Marty Parkhurst.

Orting experienced rapid growth years ago and, despite the overall economic downturn and slowdown in the housing market, attendance has ticked upward.

“Each of our classes has gotten a little larger,” Parkhurst said, noting that Orting was the second-largest 2A school in the state when the counts were done two years ago.

The move into the SPSL 2A will present some obvious advantages, Parkhurst said. Chief among those is travel, as Orting will be making short trips to Sumner and White River instead of long treks to Chimacum and Vashon Island. Another advantage is students will be missing less class time, he said.

Competition is another matter. The Cardinals will be paired against schools nearly twice their size, creating an inherent disadvantage.

That perception goes out the window when it comes to wrestling. The Cardinals have won three Class 1A state titles in a row and routinely hold their own against larger foes in tournaments.

One school absolutely locked into place is White River. Athletic Director Chris Gibson said the Hornets will land with a count of about 980, keeping them well under the 1,085 lid.

Sumner also is firmly entrenched in the Class 2A ranks with its WIAA count of 957.

Panthers still deciding

Less certain is the local Class 3A situation.

Bonney Lake High has been competing in the SPSL 3A the past two seasons, despite attendance numbers that fit the 2A model. Bonney Lake asked to opt up two years ago, a request that was granted by the WIAA.

Now, Bonney Lake appears to be having second thoughts. A question on the school’s website acknowledges the opportunity to step down a classification and allows website visitors to vote on the issue.

Bonney Lake is the newer of the Sumner School District’s two high schools.

District Athletic Director Tim Thomsen said the decision rests at the school level.

“The district has decided to allow each high school to indecently make its own choice,” he said. “They know the situation better than anyone else.”

He said there are “a variety of factors” to be considered. Among those are scheduling, including nonleague travel costs, and the views of coaches, players and the community at large.

He said the complex formula used by the WIAA presents an interesting scenario in his district. Following the WIAA math, Bonney Lake High has a three-grade headcount of 997, or 40 more than Sumner High. But for internal purposes, Thomsen said, the counts show Sumner with the greater population, by about 35 students.

A decision regarding Bonney Lake’s future should be made by the end of the week, Thomsen said.

Enumclaw, like White River, is comfortable right where it is.

No movement in Enumclaw

Kevin Smith, the district AD, said EHS will remain near the bottom of all Class 3A schools, but is in no danger of falling into the 2A ranks. Needing at least 1,086 students – sophomores through seniors – Enumclaw now tallies about 1,092. Once the district adds those students attending alternative programs, the count will safely fall in the 3A range, Smith said.

Enumclaw and three others – Peninsula, Lakes and Auburn Mountainview – are assured of remaining at the 3A level, Smith said. There were rumors that Decatur, a Class 4A school until 2010, could be returning to the large-school ranks. But Decatur has committed to remaining in the SPSL 3A, Thomsen said.

The entire classification puzzle will be pieced together during the coming eight weeks, Smith said. Schools wishing to appeal their enrollment counts, or opt up to a larger league, must do so by mid-December, he said, and the WIAA will give its final blessing by the end of January.

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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 03:08:45 PM »

Don't be surprised to see Auburn Mountainview get bumped up to 4A.  They had a record Freshman class this year and it it continues they'll hit the size limit soon.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 03:16:20 PM »

I also heard there could be changes coming to the Wesco 3a division, heard there was thought of a couple of those schools dropping to the 2a ranks. That could create an interesting situation with a 2a/3a league in the north end
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 04:37:14 PM »

Heard Narrows 4-A is no longer. Mt Tahoma and Shelton are moving to 3-A and the remaining teams will be SPSL 4-A
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 04:46:11 PM »

If Mt View and Bonney Lake bolt out of the 3A division, I would not be surprised if SPSL 3A and 2A combine to make up a new SPSL League, because there would only be 4 teams left in the SPSL 3A.... It would be nice to see Bonney Lake and Sumner play more then once a year!
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 09:08:52 PM »

Bonney Lake announced this morning they will remain in the SPSL 3A.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 09:10:19 PM »

Heard Narrows 4-A is no longer. Mt Tahoma and Shelton are moving to 3-A and the remaining teams will be SPSL 4-A

What the SPSL 3A and the Narrows 3A need to do is merge and become like the SPLS 4A and have a North/South division and that takes care of everyones problems with numbers.  Get real crazy and add in the Seamount league and you really have a solid super league.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 10:38:37 PM »

UPDATE: Bonney Lake High School League Classification 2012-14
After careful consideration of the input provided by students, families, coaches and staff, a decision to remain in the WIAA 3A league has been made. I want to thank the staff and coaches for their participation in this review process, and the many students and families who took time to provide valuable feedback.

Principal Linda Masteller, Bonney Lake High School

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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 10:49:21 PM »

Can I ask how come I never hear about the 3B or 2C teams??? Every league seems to be 1A etc....??
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 11:59:38 PM »

Can I ask how come I never hear about the 3B or 2C teams??? Every league seems to be 1A etc....??
There are 6 classes: 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A, 2B, 1B

1B is enrollment less than 92. 4A is greater than 1300. In NYC, there are high schools with enrollment greater than 4000. Tough to make the basketball team.

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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 04:41:23 AM »

Can I ask how come I never hear about the 3B or 2C teams??? Every league seems to be 1A etc....??
There are 6 classes: 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A, 2B, 1B

1B is enrollment less than 92. 4A is greater than 1300. In NYC, there are high schools with enrollment greater than 4000. Tough to make the basketball team.




The schools here are pretty small and we are lucky for that.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 11:19:08 AM »

Just a bit confusing. Why not just call them (in order of best to worst)

Division 1
Division 2
Division 3
Division 4
Division 5
Division 6

and skip the "A"/"B" stuff ??
But anyway, thank you for clarifying, it does make sense. I just think "simpler is better" in regards to level classification.

Also, the "top" tier is Division 4A....but to me I always read that as being the lowest tier as you'd think the top tier would be called "1A"!?? Not really worth a response from anyone, just spouting off....

Thanks again.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 01:22:21 PM »

Think there are historical reasons. First there were no classifications and later just two: A and B. They added classes over the years, roughly maintaining the meaning of "B". The enrollment is based on the three oldest years. The WIAA counts seem to be different from the educational counts, too.
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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 02:00:20 PM »

Found this on the interweb:
"Each state has at least one sanctioning organization for public schools. In many states a separate organization governs interscholastic athletics at most private schools. Each sanctioning body divides its member schools up into anywhere from two to eight size classifications based on the number of students enrolled at a school (so that schools are assured to compete against other schools of comparable size) and then each classification is further divided into geographic regions; the nomenclature and number of divisions vary from state to state. A school's size classification can change if its enrollment rises or declines over the years"

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Re: Schools counting, change coming to SPSL 2A and possibly 3A
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 11:38:57 AM »

New update from Seattletimes

That's the philosophy administrators at Lake Washington High School believe in, and the reason the Kangaroos will compete as a Class 2A school starting next fall, when a new two-year classification cycle kicks in across the state.

As recently as 2009-10, Lake Washington played as a 4A school despite 3A enrollment numbers. The Washington Interscholastic Activities Association (WIAA) gives member schools the opportunity to "opt up" (but not down) to any classification, and that's the direction LW took in the mid-2000s.

The Kirkland school landed in 3A again during the last reclassification cycle, which began in 2010-11, and played there. But with average enrollment down about 100 students to slightly under 1,065 in grades 10-12, the school falls just under the 3A cutoff of 1,086.

Sammamish of Bellevue, which opted up from 2A to 3A in the last cycle, is also making the drop to 2A with an enrollment just under 903. But Liberty, smaller still at just under 870, will remain 3A (enrollment figures are averaged over eight months, with November figures counted twice).

Interlake, meanwhile, is forced by size (nearly 1,207) to move back up from 2A to 3A. All will continue to compete in the KingCo 3A/2A Conference with the other 3A schools — Bellevue, Mercer Island, Mount Si and Juanita, which for the second cycle in a row sits right above the cutoff line at just over 1,096.

But for postseason purposes, LW and Sammamish will be 2A.

Interlake enjoyed success playing where it landed the past two years. The Saints won the 2A state girls soccer title last month, reached the quarterfinals in football and qualified for the state volleyball tournament.

"It changed everything for their sports," said George Crowder, a longtime coach now in his third year as the Lake Washington athletic director. "What I talk about is competitive equity ... What you want to do is give kids the greatest opportunity to compete competitively at their level."

There are few changes elsewhere around the Greater Seattle area. It's status quo in the Metro League, where Franklin and Bainbridge are the only "true" 3A schools in terms of numbers but the other 12 will continue to opt up.

In WesCo, Marysville-Pilchuck and Stanwood are dropping to 3A, while Lynnwood moves up with 4A numbers. Mount Vernon will climb from 3A to 4A and will leave the Northwest Conference for WesCo, which will have 4A and 3A divisions again.

There are no changes in either South Puget Sound League 4A or 3A, but in SPSL 2A Eatonville leaves (joining the Nisqually League as a 1A school) and is replaced by Orting (currently 1A).

The WIAA officially gave schools until Dec. 20 to declare intentions to opt up, but does make exceptions. The classification numbers are not official until approved by the WIAA Executive Board next month.

Mike Colbrese, WIAA executive director, said the Executive Board is forming a committee to look into possible changes in the reclassification process regarding the length of the cycles (going to every four years instead of two, for instance) and how to count alternative school students, among other issues.

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