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[vms]

4 and 0 last week :lol:
This weeks picks:

Xfire 1, EFC 1
United 5, ECFC 0
Heat 2, Storm Green 1
Arsenal 2, Dynamo 1

 
Sorry another gratuitous picture...but it soooo reminds me of Edmonds

[soccermama]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Looks like a candidate for the 'Biggest Loser' - Maybe he can be on next seasons show, just needs to be nominated ...VMS?

This next week is tricky:

Snoho 2- Dynamo 1 (PCC retribution)
FCU 4 - EC 1
HSA Heat 2 Storm 2
Xfire 1 - EFC 1 (only b/c starting goalie is out)

But honestly could be way different this week.

[edmonds55]

EFC 1

 
Sorry another gratuitous picture...Sumo Soccer Eastside... Oh yes I'm the great offender...... by the Splatters;  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  


Nice work,  but how about this great song from the Monkees, once known as "Daydream Believer" and now retitled, "Eastside Deceiver".  Here is Davy Jones and the Monkees.......


Eastside won't deny, indeed they are the cream.
Everybody knows what game they do bring,
The soccer world is on their knees,
Eastside Pink, oh what a prize,
Wipe out players before all eyes,
Eastside breaks someone's nose and then they wink        

Cleats up, Eastside preens
We blast the small and lean,
We're the Eastside deceivers,
a nightmare to all other teams......

It's better to give than to receive,
hit'em high and make them bleed,
Eastside's motto to all other teaaaammmmms;
Oh why bring up then,
the things they can't defend,
Cause Sumo Soccer Eastside their game so depends.

Cleats up, Eastside preens,
Yes,  one may lose their spleen,
We're the Eastside deceivers
a nightmare to other teams....

Cleats up, Eastside preens,
get a goal, you'll taste some green,
Cause we're the Eastside deceivers
a nightmare to all other teeeeammmmss........


A huge rd of applause for Mr. Davy Jones and the Monkees.. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[vms]

Monkees in cement...just like Dynablow's cleats will be against Arsenal. Good luck in the Battle of Snohomish County

[vms]

There once was a man from North Seattle

Who loved to sing inane songs of battle

While extolling the virtues of Dynablow

His "beautiful" team ingloriously lost 3 in a row

Alas...Edmonds continued on with incessant prattle
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[edmonds55]

There once was a man from Connecticut,

where some claim his ego is as large as Bertha's butt is big

His boasting of success and glory for Eastside Pink,

and he thinks when he says EFC's  going to do something,

then doesn't do it,  that's trustworthiness;

as does his mentor,

his compadre, his Commander in Chief,

no, not his spouse as one might believe,

But George W Bush whom he worships, loves

and someday he desires to meet,

hand in hand, ego to ego and cheek to cheek;

which cheek doth he do seek?

One can only surmise,  alas poor Yorick

such sights aren't for the mild, the gentle or meek.


             

[vms]

I stand by the last line of my limerick    

[redcard]

4 and 0 last week :lol:
 
I recall your prediction was 5-1 Crossfire over Dynablow.  (Implying a Crossfire blow out)  there and there was no blowout, just a pertty good soccer game played by both teams. Don't think you can take credit for that. :?:  I'll give you 3-1  No decuction for attitude.

[vms]

Redcard,  ...you should know that a win is a win is a win...no moral victories  for avoiding a blowout...4-0 for the week...this isn't Caesar's Palace

[redcard]

...you should know that a win is a win is a win...no moral victories  for avoiding a blowout...4-0 for the week.

Oh! excuse me.  I didn't know you were talking about a WIN.  From your top ten post I thought you predicted a blow-out.  I don't recall you where even suggesting a 1-0 win was in the stars.  My mistake. :twisted:

[vms]

Redcard, why would I predict a close game? Would you have predicted that Dynablow would only beat EFC 2-1 after all the talk by Edmonds?  
Remember, it's only posturing after all...no need to take it seriously, unless you WANT to :lol:

Oh and Edmonds, you will see where CT is on the Red State/Blue State issue  ...that's assuming you can read a map  
.Republicans only caused trouble in CT...see Weicker,Rowland,et al...they had great role models after all    

[vms]

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[edmonds55]

There once was a man from Connecticut,

where some claim his ego is as large as Bertha's butt is big

His boasting of success and glory for Eastside Pink,

and he thinks when he says EFC's  going to do something,

then doesn't do it,  that's trustworthiness;

as does his mentor,

his compadre, his Commander in Chief,

no, not his spouse as one might believe,

But George W Bush whom he worships, loves

and someday he desires to meet,

hand in hand, ego to ego and cheek to cheek;

which cheek doth he do seek?

One can only surmise,  alas poor Yorick

such sights aren't for the mild, the gentle or meek.


             

PvMS;   the second line of my limerick if you will,  I'm not sure of the definition and proper use of the word "is"  which is it? Perhaps you can seek out your other hero,  Mr. Clinton, after all his definition and proper usage of  "is" is classic, isn't it?
All the lies and deceitfulness,  right up your alley PvMS,  right up your alley.  Go Hiliary/PvMS 2008!!!!!!!!!              

By  the way the Dynamo defeated Snohomish United 2 -0,   it's a BEAUTIFUL day!!!!!!        :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[vms]

There is no joy in EFC ville today. Mighty(?) Xfire eked one out 1-0. Edmonds, no need to worry, I LOVE you guys compared to Xfire :lol: Xfire is a well skilled team, but are a little too full of themselves for me.They are hardly the stuff of champions with their unsportsmanlike antics on the field...constant grabbing/over the top, spiking balls,throwing the ball away on change of possession, wasting time getting balls,swearing/mouthing off, another yellow on their FB who got a yellow in the Dynablow QF and in the State Cup Final   for unsportsmanlike conduct. Are these tactics that Bernie teaches his players...to get under the opponents skin...because it got under mine.We also spent wasted time listening to Bernie moan about every challenge or tackle that was made...constantly pulling the ref over to talk.Good role model  The ref actually went up to an EFC player and said
.  but Bernie says you are being too physical with one of his boys...so I have to ask you to stop!" :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Anyway, enough ranting. The two teams played dead even.EFC missed 2 open nets on corners. Xfire hit the back of the net. End story. They have now won games against EFC, Arsenal and Dynablow by 1-0 this season. I put my $$ on United as the first team to CRUSH them.

Oh and Edmonds,not that this has anything to do with soccer, but while Clinton was hardly a character guy, Bush is an embarassment.(When Clinton Lied, No One Died)   Mario Cuomo (D), Paul Wetstone(D), John McCain(R)and Colin Powell(I) are men of morals, ethics and integrity. Unfortunately, the first is out of politics, the second is dead, the third is an outsider in his own party and the fourth will likely never run.  Osama BArack in 2008

[edmonds55]

There is no joy in EFC ville today. Mighty(?) Xfire eked one out 1-0. Edmonds, no need to worry, I LOVE you guys compared to Xfire :lol: Xfire is a well skilled team, but are a little too full of themselves for me.They are hardly the stuff of champions with their unsportsmanlike antics on the field...constant grabbing/over the top, spiking balls,throwing the ball away on change of possession, wasting time getting balls,swearing/mouthing off, another yellow on their FB who got a yellow in the Dynablow QF and in the State Cup Final   for unsportsmanlike conduct. Are these tactics that Bernie teaches his players...to get under the opponents skin...because it got under mine.We also spent wasted time listening to Bernie moan about every challenge or tackle that was made...constantly pulling the ref over to talk.Good role model  The ref actually went up to an EFC player and said
.  but Bernie says you are being too physical with one of his boys...so I have to ask you to stop!" :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Anyway, enough ranting. The two teams played dead even.EFC missed 2 open nets on corners. Xfire hit the back of the net. End story. They have now won games against EFC, Arsenal and Dynablow by 1-0 this season. I put my $$ on United as the first team to CRUSH them.

Oh and Edmonds,not that this has anything to do with soccer, but while Clinton was hardly a character guy, Bush is an embarassment.(When Clinton Lied, No One Died)   Mario Cuomo (D), Paul Wetstone(D), John McCain(R)and Colin Powell(I) are men of morals, ethics and integrity. Unfortunately, the first is out of politics, the second is dead, the third is an outsider in his own party and the fourth will likely never run.  Osama BArack in 2008

The Dynamo/Crossfire game was well played and the best officiated game I have seen for quite some time,   it was fun to watch although the Dynamo lost, they proved they can beat Crossfire.  Perhaps Bernie and co. don't care for the "EFC" style of soccer, either.   And believe me,  Mr. James knows smash mouth hacking soccer when he sees it.

Since you brought up the political spectrum as well, how many lives would have been saved if Mr. Clinton would have accepted the Sudan's offer of Bin Laden to the United States back in 1998 was it?  Would we still have the Twin towers?   Nice try again PvMS, nice try, stick with Hiliary and her ilk.

[socrtaxi]

Huh, your defending Bernie ... Eddy.. Eddy. give me a break he is arrogant and he will do just about anything to get a win, including getting the refs. ear if he has to... He is a games men all the way. I do find it hard to believe that the referee would say that to a player as interpreted from Bernie. But then again I have seen similar things before.

I would like to see United beat Crossfire, heck I like to see anyone beat Crossfire teams. :O) thats just me

[edmonds55]

Huh, your defending Bernie ... Eddy.. Eddy. give me a break he is arrogant and he will do just about anything to get a win, including getting the refs. ear if he has to... He is a games men all the way. I do find it hard to believe that the referee would say that to a player as interpreted from Bernie. But then again I have seen similar things before.

I would like to see United beat Crossfire, heck I like to see anyone beat Crossfire teams. :O) thats just me

Taxidriver;  I am neither condemning or exonerating Mr. James, I do know this though, his players leave it on the field every time I've watched them play, they play hard for him, and that's why he is so good.   The Dynamo/Crossfire game was a well played physical game without any dirty stuff, no cards at all not even a hint of one,  and the beauty of this game it didn't even seem like there was an official, the game just flowed and played.  Great Referee + great game.

As far as EFC all I know is our last game with them,  they were hacking and fouling and playing cheapshot soccer.   After they layed out  our big stopper, about the fourth card I believe (and there may have been more),  the referee had to go over and have a chat with the EFC coach for about 2 minutes,  and as I hear it wasn't an exchange of pleasantries,  EFC was told to clean it up in no uncertain terms.  If Mr. James had an issue with the style of the EFC play,on Saturday,  I'll take Mr. James version/side because I've seen the same things from EFC.  Not pretty, just honest.

[Sub Mariner]

Wow...
VMS are you just upset because you didn't go 4-0 on your predictions this week?

Okay it's either Edmonds really dislikes VMS and EFC or VMS had blinders on during his game against Xfire.

I don't recall reading anything about the previous xfire games that would indicate that they are playing with unsportsmanlike antics etc as VMS speaks of. And by Edmonds discription of the EFC-NWN games it sound like EFC may be just as guilty of rough play and unsportsmanlike antics which may have provoked the xfire players into doing some back? :?  ?

I talked to a Snohomish parent after week two I think and there was a yellow card given out during that game to a Xfire player and the Snohomish parent said it was due to over agressive play on a ball more so than unsportsmanlike antics.

Next thought - I don't think Edmonds is defending "Mr James" as much as I think he is showing respect for the xfire players.

Next thought -It looks/sounds like the second games against Xfire  will be exciting for SNO, NWN and EFC as all three were close matches (1-0).  I know Snoho is a very defensive team, Edmonds makes it sound like they are pretty well match against xfire and EFC, still not sure how to read them, I think they are a lot like Snoho, big and defensive which seems to slow xfire down.  

And Finally - Only two more weeks for the "BIG" matchup of the two unbeatens, will it be 0-0 tie or will Untied finally break through and knock xfire off the top of the hill or will xfire remain the big cheese ?

Predictions for this week anyone?

[Big Youth]

Submariner, the problem in figuring out what happened is that neither Eddy nor VMS is an unbiased reporter, and based on past posts I'm not sure either of them really understands the game very well.

EFC may have been more physical than Crossfire.  Were they outside of the laws of the game?  I don't know, but I do know that you can't conclude that they were just because they were rough against another team in another week, and you certainly can't assume that they were because Bernie said so.

Bernie himself admits that he games and works the refs in games, so anyone who accepts Bernie's in-game commentary about whether the opponent is playing too rough is too naive to be allowed out of the house with anything more than their lunch money.  By the way, I'd have the same view of any attempt by the EFC coach to spin the level of play.

Refs don't like working Bernie's games (and one of his games lacked a center ref until the last minute this week).  It isn't because he is a good coach (which he is), and it isn't because he is demanding (which he is).  It is because he seeks to get an advantage for his team by his sideline posturings and commentary.

[Sub Mariner]

Great insight Big Youth, I know Edmonds and VMS are big supporters of their son's teams and of course are biased toward them.  I get a good laugh out of their bantering back and forth.  I was just tossing some fuel on the fire :twisted:

[edmonds55]

Submariner, the problem in figuring out what happened is that neither Eddy nor VMS is an unbiased reporter, and based on past posts I'm not sure either of them really understands the game very well.

EFC may have been more physical than Crossfire.  Were they outside of the laws of the game?  I don't know, but I do know that you can't conclude that they were just because they were rough against another team in another week, and you certainly can't assume that they were because Bernie said so.

Bernie himself admits that he games and works the refs in games, so anyone who accepts Bernie's in-game commentary about whether the opponent is playing too rough is too naive to be allowed out of the house with anything more than their lunch money.  By the way, I'd have the same view of any attempt by the EFC coach to spin the level of play.

Refs don't like working Bernie's games (and one of his games lacked a center ref until the last minute this week).  It isn't because he is a good coach (which he is), and it isn't because he is demanding (which he is).  It is because he seeks to get an advantage for his team by his sideline posturings and commentary.

Bigyouth,  biased with regards to Dynamo, sure, but also honest to the tee.  I may not see all the nuances etc,  during a game,  but I know a cheapshot and hacking soccer when I see it.  If Mr. James complained to the referee about EFC's "physical" soccer style, then I believe he had reason to complain.  Furthermore, Mr. James a top defender in his playing days, knows when to complain and when not to, he was a  physical defender himself for goodness sakes and tough at that. He appreciates quality defending, not a bunch of fouls, that put players at risk.  Every quality coach should work the referees, its part of the game.  

At our game with them 2weeks ago,  Mr. James made not a peep, he was just enjoying top flight soccer, the beautiful game, the way it was meant to be played and officiated.

The description of the last Dynamo/EFC game I posted is  accurate.  In fact I  left out one of the most brutal fouls (not called) that happened at  the end of the game, never has it been mentioned, and multiple persons (one of whom a former referee) who saw it,  stated it should have been an automatic red card on the EFC player that perpetrated it and got away with it.  Fortunately our player saw it coming at the last second and stepped out of the way.   I stand by my statements concerning the EFC/Dynamo game.

[Big Youth]

Your honesty wasn't questioned, so your defense on the basis of a self-assessment as to honesty is accepted, but irrelevant.

You can't help but be biased, and VMS can't either.  I make it a practice of discounting most claims of excessive violence of other teams on this and other websites because of such bias.  That said, as a former premier level coach and referee, I know that some games are involve a team that is (1) excessively rough, and (2) far rougher than the other team on the field.  On those days, one hopes for a good ref and dispensation from the injury gods.

However, I also know that many teams that are rough in one or more games are not rough in other games.  More importantly, it is illogical in the extreme to agree that Bernie works the refs (we can agree to disagree on the extent to which his efforts remain within the spirit of the game) but to conclude that his protests to the referree in this game should be presumed correct.  Moreover, it doesn't take much analysis to conclude that the evidence presented--that he himself was a physical defender--has any relationship to whether his comments to the referee in this game were correct or not.

[soccermama]

Setting the record straight.  EFC V Dynamo, Two yellows for EFC (a late hit and a comment) and a yellow for Dynamo for unsportmanlike behavior.  That only equals 3 cards.  Who knows  what else Eddy is refering to - I don't and if he wants to live in his own little world, well then let's let him.  

Let's remember that it was both an EFC and DYNAMO, player that were ejected with red cards for a pushing and shoving match (possible a swing or two).  Now if that isn't "boxing soccer" and unsportsmanlike I don't know what is!  If the boxing glove fits...................??

All this talk about physical soccer is getting boring.  Watch a Sounders game, the soccer channel or take in an older division P1 game, see how much more physical the game gets.  This year there is still a huge disparity on size, speed and especially strength of the boys, the next couple of years the little ones will grow and things will be more even as far as size.  But if you are expecting to be watching non contact sport I suggest tennis, golf and badmitten.

EFC v Xfire. - a pretty equal game.  EFC was playing very well the first half and just couldn't get the ball in the net despite 3 really close calls.  Xfire capitalized on an open net and scored.  Nice goal by there midfield player.  One yellow card for Xfire, I think for talking back.  It seemed to me that Xfire plays hard and quick and that sometimes they get a little mouthy with the ref and other players.  They don't have the size and strength to be a physical team and they tend to grab alot instead.  But they looked good, better than any other team as far as passing and moving the ball especially up front.  They are experienced, and have played together as a team for a long time.  I am not sure who will win the game against FC United, but I am sure that it will be good and fun to watch.  If anything else FCU will want to get some redemption for their loss in the semi's when they played so well.  Good luck to all next week.

[soccermama]

BTW, I was standing about 10 feet from the ref when he came up to the EFC player and said "I didn't see it, but I heard that you..........blah, blah, blah"  I had never seen that before and thought that it was highly inappropriate for the ref to stop the game and say something to a player of any team and talk to them about something "they heard".....from who I do not know, if it was a parent, coach or player.

In the grand scheme of things really not a big deal.  And as far as the Xfire coach goes, I would think it odd that any coach not yell at the ref on calls they think wrong or inappropriate-they all do it and most of the time they are just sticking up for their team and players.

[vms]

Edmonds, #1)75% of the fouls AND a yellow card were on Xfire this week. No cheap shots...just a lot of grabbing by Xfire  . No foul was ever called on the EFC player who was talked to by the ref, at that time or any other during the game. In fact it was a relatively clean game other than the unsportmanlike conduct.The ref continued to tell one certain middie on Xfire to "be quiet" and one forward to "play the right way".Bernie's team is small and skilled. They have a hard time with physical play.But they are good at trash talking and throwing the ball away when they didn't get the call.MAybe  Bernie and his boys were nervous because EFC was winning challenges and tackles and getting momentum. But he played the ref like a cheap violin. The ref even said to me at the end of the game that he doesn't and I quote "get paid enough to deal with Bernie". He acknowledged that Bernie was disruptive. Now whether there is some underlying history with EFC and Bernie is unknown to me. They were served yellows in the Cup Final...not EFC. . He is obviously pleased that he has won 3 important games, but probably realizes that the second go around with these squads may not be to his liking. Obviously it is easy to hate the best, but at least United plays physical but clean and doesn't use those antics. I respect them more than Xfire... and they have punished EFC the last few times they played! I hope they crush Xfire in two weeks :lol:
#2) I am sick of your b....ing about the Dynablow/EFC game  and the physicality of it. I am sorry it was your son who was the recipient of the foul.And I am glad that he was not hurt and kept playing.But come on what is he 80lbs? The kid who hit him is 145 lbs. Its physics man, physics. Big hurts small on collision.Give your kid steroids if you want him to play with the big boys   And regarding yellows, had one of your boys not tried to wear the EFC players' uniform, his second yellow would not have occurred.He lost his cool but I was 10 ft away and saw the boy draped over his back trying to get position on the corner kick. Just because the ref doesn't see the foul, doesn't mean it didn't happen! Your Dynablow is not exactly a bunch of angels.Your bigger players seem to enjoy the physical nature of the game. I have watched #17 get repeatedly called for fouls after running over smaller defenders.Your big bruiser of a FB is not exactly shy about doling out punishment either.And I watched your  big keeper go tete-a tete with Uniteds' player and get slapped with a RED card. So stop being a hypocrite. You really do see your team through a tinted glass when it comes to the beautiful game of which you speak. Soccer IS physical. Grow up and accept that fact.I'll send you a referral to 24 Hour Fitness for you and your kid for your Xmas gift instead of the bottle of wine I was going to send :lol:

STU PEDASSO RED from Topolos Winery

[edmonds55]

#2) I am sick of your b....ing about the Dynablow/EFC game  and the physicality of it. I am sorry it was your son who was the recipient of the foul.And I am glad that he was not hurt and kept playing.But come on what is he 80lbs? The kid who hit him is 145 lbs.

PvMS;  the Dynamo have no issue with the clean physical play in soccer, just don't like the cheap shots.  Big difference.   The play with which you refer I was 15 ft away and  the ball had been passed and the EFC player hit him from behind 3-4 seconds after the ball was away, there was no 50/50 ball, there was no intent to play the ball at all, it was a blindside cheap shot.  We all know why now dont' we.  Then  EFC took out our big stopper later in the game with a slide tackle from behind and our coach had to come out and help him from the field, and this is when the referee warned your coach about rough play and dirty tactics. Using your own logic,  just because a yellow card wasn't given does not mean it did not happen.  The Dynamo have never had an issue with any other team, except our goalie and the FC United game and believe me,  that kind of stuff is not tolerated by any of our coaches,  the player in question got the message big time.  The Dynamo encourage and tolerate clean physical soccer, we expect it, we won't tolerate blindsiding cheap shots or  slide tackles with cleats up from behind either. By the way,  great job with your predictions PvMS,  1-3  

[vms]

Yeah, tough week all around...1-3. So it goes...7/8 tied and the good guys lost  :lol:
Hey, Edmonds did you see that  WSYSA has EFC 1, Xfire 1 and in 3rd by themselves.
 I didn't see you whining,
 about that like you did   on Standings Plus...  

"Eddy the Whiner talks to Ms. Satow"


I'm gonna get this for your Xmas stocking :lol:

[socrtaxi]

I agree with Big Youth!  Totaly! well said

[Squash]

I think eddy and VMS actually get along pretty well. I think deep down, they both hope they are P1 for many years, so they can continue their banter year after year!!! :mrgreen:

[vms]

Big Youth, thanks for your comments, although I am not sure if you are defending Bernie in some way. And as for not knowing the game,perhaps I don't have your soccer cred. While I may not be unbiased in my devotion to EFC, I am honest in my assessments.  I played 3 sports my whole life and ran up against many Bernies. And Bernie is a whiner who wants all the breaks. I loved beating the Bernies and hated losing to them...passionately on both accounts.But I played hard, win or lose, and then forgot about them until the next time we played. My father was my role model in sports...he would kick your butt on the field and then buy you a drink after the game was over.
Bernie obviously has produced a good product for Xfire, but he is a poor role model for kids.These kids are winning... at a price. Being called unsportsmanlike by the ref is hardly a laudable attribute, especially when you are winning the game. These kids are jaded and think they deserve to win every time out...quite sad actually. Sports are about fair play and playing the right way...win or lose. Sports teaches LIFE lessons. I am sure that several of his players will have long, fruitful careers at one level or another...how good a teammate they become is a whole other story. The EFC kids have each others back and care about each other and respect each other.They play as a team without concern about individual accolades.They play hard but   fair.Despite Edmonds comments, they are not malicious young men.The EFC parents and coaches would not stand for it. Don't get me wrong, winning is important, but character building at this age is more important. Sure I would love to see them win it all...that would be great. But I am more interested in my son  playing "Larry Brown "ball",ie, playing the right way: tough AND fair,respecting your opponent and learning how to win and lose with dignity. I am not so sure that this is Bernie's motto however.There is no place for losing in his world...