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[EWSoccer64]

Chicken Wing, I never mentioned attorneys at all.  I did specifically state that you should focus on adopting a code of ethics and conduct for your board members, and then follow it.  The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams might stop then.

Chicken Wing, if I were you, I would focus on getting your USCS operations to develope a code of conduct and ethics for your board members and start enforcing it.   Those "in glass houses", don't you know!

Brat, I'm sure you're right on point about the attorneys, if MRFC is a registered non profit then worth the $$ to get some help with their by-laws, especially if a major re-write.  

lester, I know this is off topic here, but the new definition has been discussed on 3 different conference calls with the associations, so it will be interesting to see what the final draft actually ends up being after all of the feedback.

EWDoc, are you going to be the first WSYSA volunteer to print out and fax in your WSYSA Loyalty Pledge Oath?

I doubt my DD's team would even be in existence without the PSPL.  You recommend the PSPL hire a few attorney's to help right the ship, or you think a $ 200k a year CEO will be able to get the job done?

I agree every soccer organization has to be inclusive and put kids first.

[chicken wing]

Chicken Wing, I never mentioned attorneys at all.  I did specifically state that you should focus on adopting a code of ethics and conduct for your board members, and then follow it.  The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams might stop then.

Chicken Wing, if I were you, I would focus on getting your USCS operations to develope a code of conduct and ethics for your board members and start enforcing it.   Those "in glass houses", don't you know!

Brat, I'm sure you're right on point about the attorneys, if MRFC is a registered non profit then worth the $$ to get some help with their by-laws, especially if a major re-write.  

lester, I know this is off topic here, but the new definition has been discussed on 3 different conference calls with the associations, so it will be interesting to see what the final draft actually ends up being after all of the feedback.

EWDoc, are you going to be the first WSYSA volunteer to print out and fax in your WSYSA Loyalty Pledge Oath?

I doubt my DD's team would even be in existence without the PSPL.  You recommend the PSPL hire a few attorney's to help right the ship, or you think a $ 200k a year CEO will be able to get the job done?

I agree every soccer organization has to be inclusive and put kids first.

Please explain about "teams earning reward points"... Like golden stars and yellow moons, or you talking frequent flyer mile reward points?  Did the PSPL steal WSYSA Cap Point system?

The PSPL does operate as a 501c3 organization, however I've never actually seen their 990's.

[EWSoccer64]

There you go again, Chicken Wing, changing what people state and then responding to your altered reality.
I never mentioned lawyers, but you attributed it to me.
Then you come up with "reward points" and attribute that to me.
One can see that dishonesty is part of your heart and soul over there, can't one?

[chicken wing]

WSYSA Loyalth Oath Ethics Pledge.

An Oxymoron: following WSYSA Loyalty Pledge is Ethical.

I will disclose any interest in a transaction or decision where (including my business of other nonprofit affiliations), my family and/or my significant other, employer or close associate will receive a benefit or gain. I understand that a conflict of interest will result in my removal from the meeting or activity and potentially from Washington Youth Soccer membership.

As a member, referee, administrator, volunteer, paid staff, parent and/or legal guardian, I understand my responsibility to thoroughly acquaint myself with Washington Youth Soccer’s Operating and Governing Documents and demonstrate a working knowledge of these documents. I understand my responsibility to follow and enforce all Washington Youth Soccer and Member Association bylaws, policies, procedures and rules at all times. This includes adhering to the letter, intent and spirit of the documents.

I will respect and support the spirit and intent of the documents and will not engage in activities designed to undermine or sabotage the documents.

I will support Washington Youth Soccer by considering myself a “trustee” of the organization and will do my best to ensure that I will approach all Washington Youth Soccer issues with an open mind, prepared to make the best decision for everyone. I will respect and support a majority decision and will not engage in activities designed to undermine or sabotage a decision once it is made.

I understand that I have a responsibility to promote the game of soccer to the public in a positive manner. When in public, on e-mail, blogs, websites, and all social media, my comments and critiques of governing bodies, members, referees, administrators, volunteers, and paid staff shall be constructive.

[chicken wing]

There you go again, Chicken Wing, changing what people state and then responding to your altered reality.
I never mentioned lawyers, but you attributed it to me.
Then you come up with "reward points" and attribute that to me.
One can see that dishonesty is part of your heart and soul over there, can't one?

"The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams.."

What rewards?

Please do explain.... and the attorney's comment was in the form of a question to you.  Do you think the PSPL should hire a bunch of attorney's to clean up the "profiteering and slimy cheating.."

[EWSoccer64]

We have been all over this before - and without your altering the statements of others.
The PSPL promised that their division winner would go into the NWCL.   That has been established, and your denials were proven to be false.
Yet the PSPL cheated a team of Eastern Washington girls from their triumph, their reward for being division champions.  That is slimy cheating of a team's earned reward by you and your PSPL.
And every time you forget about it, every time you deny it, I will remind you of it.

Every time you try to pretend that your USCS operations are so much better, more ethical, more pure, more for the kids than the jokers at WYS, I will remind you of it.
I will remind you of how one of the members of your board directly benefited from that decision.
I will remind you how much $ the USCS operation of the NW Champions League is raking in for the USCS people who run it.
That is profiteering, pure and simple.

Whine about how much the guys in Tukwila make all you want, the USCS NW Champions League puts as much as anyone there's salary into the pockets of one your guys.   

There you go again, Chicken Wing, changing what people state and then responding to your altered reality.
I never mentioned lawyers, but you attributed it to me.
Then you come up with "reward points" and attribute that to me.
One can see that dishonesty is part of your heart and soul over there, can't one?

"The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams.."

What rewards?

Please do explain.... and the attorney's comment was in the form of a question to you.  Do you think the PSPL should hire a bunch of attorney's to clean up the "profiteering and slimy cheating.."

[chicken wing]

We have been all over this before - and without your altering the statements of others.
The PSPL promised that their division winner would go into the NWCL.   That has been established, and your denials were proven to be false.
Yet the PSPL cheated a team of Eastern Washington girls from their triumph, their reward for being division champions.  That is slimy cheating of a team's earned reward by you and your PSPL.
And every time you forget about it, every time you deny it, I will remind you of it.

Every time you try to pretend that your USCS operations are so much better, more ethical, more pure, more for the kids than the jokers at WYS, I will remind you of it.
I will remind you of how one of the members of your board directly benefited from that decision.
I will remind you how much $ the USCS operation of the NW Champions League is raking in for the USCS people who run it.
That is profiteering, pure and simple.

Whine about how much the guys in Tukwila make all you want, the USCS NW Champions League puts as much as anyone there's salary into the pockets of one your guys.   

There you go again, Chicken Wing, changing what people state and then responding to your altered reality.
I never mentioned lawyers, but you attributed it to me.
Then you come up with "reward points" and attribute that to me.
One can see that dishonesty is part of your heart and soul over there, can't one?

"The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams.."

What rewards?

Please do explain.... and the attorney's comment was in the form of a question to you.  Do you think the PSPL should hire a bunch of attorney's to clean up the "profiteering and slimy cheating.."

Lest I forget!  Dang, I did forget about the NWCL... $$, I humbly concede this point... it is sanctioned by US Club.

The EW Teams, they must accept an invitation.  I heard they never responded to an invitation from NWCL and therefore missed out.  The NWCL is a completely separate entity from PSPL and OPL.  It's operational structure appears quite secretive; but seems like most clubs are bragging about being in, the dominate group of clubs being RCL and OPL.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Lest I forget!  Dang, I did forget about the NWCL... $$, I humbly concede this point... it is sanctioned by US Club.

The EW Teams, they must accept an invitation.  I heard they never responded to an invitation from NWCL and therefore missed out.  The NWCL is a completely separate entity from PSPL and OPL.  It's operational structure appears quite secretive; but seems like most clubs are bragging about being in, the dominate group of clubs being RCL and OPL.<<<<

BS.   They were not given what they were promised.  Your excuses are false.  The ASE girls were not given what was promised, and they were not offered it.  Your PSPL cheated them.   And you tried to defend that.

[chicken wing]

>>>Lest I forget!  Dang, I did forget about the NWCL... $$, I humbly concede this point... it is sanctioned by US Club.

The EW Teams, they must accept an invitation.  I heard they never responded to an invitation from NWCL and therefore missed out.  The NWCL is a completely separate entity from PSPL and OPL.  It's operational structure appears quite secretive; but seems like most clubs are bragging about being in, the dominate group of clubs being RCL and OPL.<<<<

BS.   They were not given what they were promised.  Your excuses are false.  The ASE girls were not given what was promised, and they were not offered it.  Your PSPL cheated them.   And you tried to defend that.

ASE wasn't the only team that didn't respond, I heard that several OPL and RCL teams also did not participate for 1 reason or another.  I know for a fact that ASE is in and did accept a spot in the NWCL.  I'm not defending or promoting who is in or out, only know that not every single team that was offered a spot accepted one.  The PSPL, RCL and OPL's do not run the NWCL, its run by 1 person.... last I heard.

[EWSoccer64]

Yeah, ASE only got what they earned very late, and after there was a public stink about how you guys were cheating them.
We all remember your trying to weasel about on the subject.......

>>>Lest I forget!  Dang, I did forget about the NWCL... $$, I humbly concede this point... it is sanctioned by US Club.

The EW Teams, they must accept an invitation.  I heard they never responded to an invitation from NWCL and therefore missed out.  The NWCL is a completely separate entity from PSPL and OPL.  It's operational structure appears quite secretive; but seems like most clubs are bragging about being in, the dominate group of clubs being RCL and OPL.<<<<

BS.   They were not given what they were promised.  Your excuses are false.  The ASE girls were not given what was promised, and they were not offered it.  Your PSPL cheated them.   And you tried to defend that.

ASE wasn't the only team that didn't respond, I heard that several OPL and RCL teams also did not participate for 1 reason or another.  I know for a fact that ASE is in and did accept a spot in the NWCL.  I'm not defending or promoting who is in or out, only know that not every single team that was offered a spot accepted one.  The PSPL, RCL and OPL's do not run the NWCL, its run by 1 person.... last I heard.

[chicken wing]

EW, you should squeal when crap hits the fan on this side of the mountains.... You get an "A" for covering EWa Issues.

[SouthSoundLurker]

yeah, there have been a number of letters sent out by the attorney.  Hopefully, the MRFC parents become aware of this - since your money you paid to the club is now being paid to attorneys since the volunteers can't handle anything correctly.  New Pres set that in motion.  Attorney billable hours are horrible.  :'(

chaps and SSlurker:
If you were members of MRFC, you would know that the atty was hired to re-write the new by-laws. They weren't hired because the board can't handle things.
Quit stirring the pot of which you are not a member of and for whatever reason, hate MRFC... makes you sound like whiney kids that got their ball taken away at recess.

make you a deal Brat, i will be a winey kid who lost my ball at recess, you be the clueless kid who dusnt get to play cuz they dont know that those running the game have changd the rulz.

btw - i am a member of mrfc.   like u, i feel the need to state my vues.

[EWDOC]

Chicken Wing, I never mentioned attorneys at all.  I did specifically state that you should focus on adopting a code of ethics and conduct for your board members, and then follow it.  The profiteering and slimy cheating of earned rewards by teams might stop then.

Chicken Wing, if I were you, I would focus on getting your USCS operations to develope a code of conduct and ethics for your board members and start enforcing it.   Those "in glass houses", don't you know!

Brat, I'm sure you're right on point about the attorneys, if MRFC is a registered non profit then worth the $$ to get some help with their by-laws, especially if a major re-write.  

lester, I know this is off topic here, but the new definition has been discussed on 3 different conference calls with the associations, so it will be interesting to see what the final draft actually ends up being after all of the feedback.

EWDoc, are you going to be the first WSYSA volunteer to print out and fax in your WSYSA Loyalty Pledge Oath?

I doubt my DD's team would even be in existence without the PSPL.  You recommend the PSPL hire a few attorney's to help right the ship, or you think a $ 200k a year CEO will be able to get the job done?

I agree every soccer organization has to be inclusive and put kids first.

Please explain about "teams earning reward points"... Like golden stars and yellow moons, or you talking frequent flyer mile reward points?  Did the PSPL steal WSYSA Cap Point system?

The PSPL does operate as a 501c3 organization, however I've never actually seen their 990's.

Nor has anyone else for that matter...