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[inthenet]

Hey everybody, maybe WSYSA actually reads posts on this site.

1.  The Loyalty Oath Pledge reporting and snitching requirements for proper membership has been removed from the latest bylaw proposals.  Latest updates are dated 1/19/2012.

2.  All the assets that remain after WSYSA disbands an association will not necessarily automatically be sent to Terry Fisher's travel and dining expenses.  WSYSA appears to be actually following IRS laws here.

What remains... WSYSA will still attempt to force all their membership to participate and be registered in WSYSA events.  It appears they will continue to attempt discriminatory practices against clubs coaches and kids that play in the NWCL, PSPL, ECNL and USSDA teams.


5.5.2.2 The Board of Directors may fine, require remediation, suspend, or terminate (or any combination thereof) any Member Association if the Board determines that 1) the conduct of the Member Association is adverse to the best interests of soccer or Washington Youth Soccer..

5.5.2.2.1 The MAC, in coordination with staff, shall identify Member Associations that are in violation of the terms of membership and make recommendations to the Board as to whether to proceed with a hearing or remediation.

WSYSA still wants the power to terminate membership of associations who may have teams that participate in non-WSYSA soccer activities.

[Pops]

Hey everybody, maybe WSYSA actually reads posts on this site.

1.  The Loyalty Oath Pledge reporting and snitching requirements for proper membership has been removed from the latest bylaw proposals.  Latest updates are dated 1/19/2012.

2.  All the assets that remain after WSYSA disbands an association will not necessarily automatically be sent to Terry Fisher's travel and dining expenses.  WSYSA appears to be actually following IRS laws here.

What remains... WSYSA will still attempt to force all their membership to participate and be registered in WSYSA events.  It appears they will continue to attempt discriminatory practices against clubs coaches and kids that play in the NWCL, PSPL, ECNL and USSDA teams.


5.5.2.2 The Board of Directors may fine, require remediation, suspend, or terminate (or any combination thereof) any Member Association if the Board determines that 1) the conduct of the Member Association is adverse to the best interests of soccer or Washington Youth Soccer..

5.5.2.2.1 The MAC, in coordination with staff, shall identify Member Associations that are in violation of the terms of membership and make recommendations to the Board as to whether to proceed with a hearing or remediation.

WSYSA still wants the power to terminate membership of associations who may have teams that participate in non-WSYSA soccer activities.

Or wait, here's a thought. Maybe the board took the feedback from the multiple calls they hosted and comments they requested from the associations and incorporated them into the changes?

And any organization has to have an ability to suspend or remove members. The introduction of the MAC should address all but the most paranoid fears that the board is evil and all powerful...

Having teams that participate in non-WYS activities has never been a problem. But if an association redirects its players out of WYS broadly, fails to manage its finances or maintain non-profit status, etc - then yes, there has to be some way to take action.

[chicken wing]

The introduction of the MAC should address all but the most paranoid fears that the board is evil and all powerful...

Hey Pops,

What's the MAC?

The problem with WSYSA, rather than promoting soccer and all the opportunities for kids to play soccer, the organization seeks to promote itself.  The host of new attorney's to the executive board, changing by bylaws to create a seamless revenue stream and actively threatening "rogue" coaches, team and clubs who don't appear to toe the line do come across as a power grab.

This is due to massive increases in director salaries, removal of fairness in soccer (LPT) and the formation of a closed monopoly leagues, RCL.

What about WSYSA getting back to the mission of being an unbiased organization that promoted soccer in WA State?

[EWSoccer64]

>>>Or wait, here's a thought. Maybe the board took the feedback from the multiple calls they hosted and comments they requested from the associations and incorporated them into the changes?

And any organization has to have an ability to suspend or remove members. The introduction of the MAC should address all but the most paranoid fears that the board is evil and all powerful...

Having teams that participate in non-WYS activities has never been a problem. But if an association redirects its players out of WYS broadly, fails to manage its finances or maintain non-profit status, etc - then yes, there has to be some way to take action. <<<

Tell you what Pops, you spin a nice tale but the distrust of El Presidente and his Politburo has grown very deep.   So why not have the Ethics, Grevience and Appeals process and personnel be taken out of his hands, as gesture of good faith?    Have each district appoint one person to the WSYSA Judicial Commitee, and it will run all judicial procedures in the state above the association level.   One of the appointees will be elected chairman by the rest, and he will administer it.  After all, the latest powergrab by El Presidente was getting rid of the existing committee members so that he could appoint people loyal to him.   That did not sit well.  Then with the new bylaws he and his politburo have created, it is easy to see why the "DISTRUST O METER" has shot up to record levels.
Why does El Presidente need his handpicked, loyal Ethics and Grevience Committee anyway?
An independant judicial process would sooth alot of nerves, it would be very popular with the associations, and it would be in accordance with the finest of American Values.   And as long as El Presidente and his clique are as upright and honest, as filled with integrity as you believe, then there would be no possible harm to him or his plans from doing this.

[Pops]

>>>Or wait, here's a thought. Maybe the board took the feedback from the multiple calls they hosted and comments they requested from the associations and incorporated them into the changes?

And any organization has to have an ability to suspend or remove members. The introduction of the MAC should address all but the most paranoid fears that the board is evil and all powerful...

Having teams that participate in non-WYS activities has never been a problem. But if an association redirects its players out of WYS broadly, fails to manage its finances or maintain non-profit status, etc - then yes, there has to be some way to take action. <<<

Tell you what Pops, you spin a nice tale but the distrust of El Presidente and his Politburo has grown very deep.   So why not have the Ethics, Grevience and Appeals process and personnel be taken out of his hands, as gesture of good faith?    Have each district appoint one person to the WSYSA Judicial Commitee, and it will run all judicial procedures in the state above the association level.   One of the appointees will be elected chairman by the rest, and he will administer it.  After all, the latest powergrab by El Presidente was getting rid of the existing committee members so that he could appoint people loyal to him.   That did not sit well.  Then with the new bylaws he and his politburo have created, it is easy to see why the "DISTRUST O METER" has shot up to record levels.
Why does El Presidente need his handpicked, loyal Ethics and Grevience Committee anyway?
An independant judicial process would sooth alot of nerves, it would be very popular with the associations, and it would be in accordance with the finest of American Values.   And as long as El Presidente and his clique are as upright and honest, as filled with integrity as you believe, then there would be no possible harm to him or his plans from doing this.

Great point on how to approach those committees. The current approach has been the source of complaints for years - which is why a change is being pursued. Good idea to have broad representation. - just like they have with the Soccer Operations Committee that's been updating all the rules.

I'm not spinning - the modifications to the bylaws changes are a direct result of calls set up and run by WYS to get feedback.

[EWSoccer64]

Pops,  I know some people on a few association boards.   Did not hear a single positive thing about the latest changes to the bylaws.  Did hear some people being fearful of reprecussions if they spoke out against them.  Is this the proper enviroment to have in a youth sports organization?

And everyone who is rational understands that there has to be rules, and a system of governance.   The way that Chicken Wing has tried to obscurate and then defend the broken commitments and rules of his PSPL has done more to keep clubs within WYS than anything the Leadership fo WYS has done.

You and I both know that El Presidente will never give up his powers, indeed he is intent on accreting ever more control and power into the hands of, well, himself.   That there are other, more particaptory methods of "reforming" the WSYSA is known by all.   The path chosen by El Presidente has been made clear.
My suggestion for a better system of the Judicial apparatus will never happen, as it would be a chink in the armor of El Presidente.  It would be a method of enforcing rules, instead of making them up and applying them retroactively.  It would deminish the power of the Autocrat and his politburo.  So we all know that it will never happen.   Even though it would be a great idea to implement and would not impact his stated aims.

[NKSoccerFan]

Maybe the board took the feedback from the multiple calls they hosted and comments they requested from the associations and incorporated them into the changes?

The problem isn't that they removed the "Loyalty Oath" and financial grab clauses. It's that they tried to put them in the first place.

[lester]

... Having teams that participate in non-WYS activities has never been a problem. But if an association redirects its players out of WYS broadly, fails to manage its finances or maintain non-profit status, etc - then yes, there has to be some way to take action.

Your not talking about WPFC moving players directly from their younger RCL teams to their US Club ECNL teams are you?  That can't be held against the association; how can they control that? 

If WPFC holds advertised tryouts for their club teams and then puts some of those players on their US Club teams, how can all the other clubs in an association be held responsible for that?

[Redkard]

Lester,

Does ENCL for girls = Development Academy for boys?

[Pops]

Lester,

Does ENCL for girls = Development Academy for boys?

Pretty much - even though it's US Club and not USSF, it's a national league not offered under USYS.

[Pops]

... Having teams that participate in non-WYS activities has never been a problem. But if an association redirects its players out of WYS broadly, fails to manage its finances or maintain non-profit status, etc - then yes, there has to be some way to take action.

Your not talking about WPFC moving players directly from their younger RCL teams to their US Club ECNL teams are you?  That can't be held against the association; how can they control that? 

If WPFC holds advertised tryouts for their club teams and then puts some of those players on their US Club teams, how can all the other clubs in an association be held responsible for that?

No, ECNL is a national league for girls, and there's no USYS or USSF alternative. And even though WPFC and Crossfire put their top teams in that league, they still form teams that play in the RCL/ WYS leagues at those ages.

On the other hand - associations are responsible for their clubs - that's part of their purpose.

[lester]

Lester,

Does ENCL for girls = Development Academy for boys?

Pretty much - even though it's US Club and not USSF, it's a national league not offered under USYS.

ECNL, NWCL, PSPL, OPL are all US Club leagues that offer something different than WYS, you can't just declare one OK and the others not.

USYS does offer national leagues.
http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/national_league/teams.asp

[EWSoccer64]

Lester,

Does ENCL for girls = Development Academy for boys?

Pretty much - even though it's US Club and not USSF, it's a national league not offered under USYS.

ECNL, NWCL, PSPL, OPL are all US Club leagues that offer something different than WYS, you can't just declare one OK and the others not.

USYS does offer national leagues.
http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/national_league/teams.asp

Come on, Lester, WYS is already allowing some and disapproving of others.   

[inthenet]

Lester,

Does ENCL for girls = Development Academy for boys?

Pretty much - even though it's US Club and not USSF, it's a national league not offered under USYS.

ECNL, NWCL, PSPL, OPL are all US Club leagues that offer something different than WYS, you can't just declare one OK and the others not.

USYS does offer national leagues.
http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/national_league/teams.asp

Come on, Lester, WYS is already allowing some and disapproving of others.   

EW,

Currently WSYSA bylaws do not discriminate against soccer organizations and events outside the jurisdiction.

The NEW 1/19/2012 WSYSA Bylaws will.

WSYSA Associations and Clubs will be prevented from discussing, advertising, emailing and having any of their volunteers participate in:

To name a few:

Professional Development League (Crossfire PDL)
USSDA Boys Academy
ENCL
NW Champions League
PSPL
US Club Regionals
Any Oregon Premier League events and tournaments
NW Soccer Camps
Peter Few Soccer Camps
British Soccer Camps
Sounders FC Camps

Now, if these organizations PAY big bucks to WSYSA, then you could argue that participating in the above events benefits WSYSA.  My strong suspicions are however that the WSYSA bylaws changes are intended to target the PSPL.  But of course the Elite Legal Team at WSYSA are smart enough to not directly name the PSPL, for fear of violating USSF rules of player participation.

NO WAY can WSYSA legally "pick and choose" which organizations to discriminate against.  EW, you have to know better than that?

[EWSoccer64]

>>>NO WAY can WSYSA legally "pick and choose" which organizations to discriminate against.  EW, you have to know better than that?<<<

Don't they do that already?