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[2muchsoccer]

Okay, real easy question -- which is better Washington or Oregon's ODP PROGRAM (not teams).
Would like to get Vancouver people in on this also to debate on whether you would make the drive for WA ODP or simply hop the bridge for Oregon?
 :?:

Hear it is "easier" to make program in Oregon than it is Washington, hmmmm?
Hear that Washington doesn't scout teams in Vancouver, true?
Hear Oregon only picks certain amount of kids from Vancouver, is that true?
 :?:

Trying to end the rumors and see about others experiences (good/bad) on each state.

[Dragon]

Okay, real easy question -- which is better Washington or Oregon's ODP PROGRAM (not teams).
Would like to get Vancouver people in on this also to debate on whether you would make the drive for WA ODP or simply hop the bridge for Oregon?
 :?:

Hear it is "easier" to make program in Oregon than it is Washington, hmmmm?
Hear that Washington doesn't scout teams in Vancouver, true?
Hear Oregon only picks certain amount of kids from Vancouver, is that true?
 :?:

Trying to end the rumors and see about others experiences (good/bad) on each state.

Very good questions 2much :mrgreen:

would like ta know the answers me self, cause the 94 age group will be in da "batters box" be fo ya know it

[cheese]

Excellent question.

I really don't know anything about the ODP program at all.

I guess you could look at the success of how each state has performed over the last 10 years or so.

Good luck  :mrgreen:

[MadAboutSoccer]

There are lots of problems with our ODP her in Washington.  Too many things to even debate.

[nosoupforU]

older DD (now 20 playing in college) played ODP Wash, was recruited out of the Couve. Overall we were pleased with everything except politics. But WHERE is there no politics ? Seattle teams are made up of big, fast and strong kids. DD was a smart finesse player, very good, but not 6' tall w/knuckles dragging ground. Seems like Seattle players got preference based on size as opposed to actual talent. But, what else would you expect a cp to say ?

Oregon has Portland, and where else that has a large population to draw top level players from ? Ontario ? <NOT>

Better talent in Wash.

[On Frame]

This topic might be better suited for the "general soccer talk" catagory.  Most U11-U13 CP's are not familiar with, or are just beginning to dabble in "all the riches"  :roll: the ODP "program" offers.  

I would like to comment on the programs of both states, but I haven't had any sort of relationship with either.  After some more feedback from others, I'll comment from the perspective of someone with ODP experiences from another western state and how they compare....

Okay, real easy question -- which is better Washington or Oregon's ODP PROGRAM (not teams).
Would like to get Vancouver people in on this also to debate on whether you would make the drive for WA ODP or simply hop the bridge for Oregon?
 :?:

Hear it is "easier" to make program in Oregon than it is Washington, hmmmm?
Hear that Washington doesn't scout teams in Vancouver, true?
Hear Oregon only picks certain amount of kids from Vancouver, is that true?
 :?:

Trying to end the rumors and see about others experiences (good/bad) on each state.

[sccraddict]

Seattle teams are made up of big, fast and strong kids. DD was a smart finesse player, very good, but not 6' tall w/knuckles dragging ground. Seems like Seattle players got preference based on size as opposed to actual talent. But, what else would you expect a cp to say ?

I have heard that most of the ODP coaches go for size.  Let's face it, a lot of coaches today go for size.  Not to take anything away from the big kids, but some of the smaller girls have to really fight to be seen.  They have to have more finesse, better foot skills, smarter field vision.  Smaller girls really have to fight for their positions going into the U13-14 years since so many coaches go for the size factor going into LPT's.  It turns into who has the most physical team, not always who has the better "soccer team".  After a couple years though, it really pays off for some of them to have those skills as they begin to run circles around some of the other players that have depended only on their size.
Sorry this is off track, but have had many "size discussions" lately.  Know a few kids who have been cut from teams in this U-14 year because of size alone, which could be a whole 'nother topic.  Does size matter?  (no pun intended)

[nosoupforU]

Seattle teams are made up of big, fast and strong kids. DD was a smart finesse player, very good, but not 6' tall w/knuckles dragging ground. Seems like Seattle players got preference based on size as opposed to actual talent. But, what else would you expect a cp to say ?

I have heard that most of the ODP coaches go for size.  Let's face it, a lot of coaches today go for size.  Not to take anything away from the big kids, but some of the smaller girls have to really fight to be seen.  They have to have more finesse, better foot skills, smarter field vision.  Smaller girls really have to fight for their positions going into the U13-14 years since so many coaches go for the size factor going into LPT's.  It turns into who has the most physical team, not always who has the better "soccer team".  After a couple years though, it really pays off for some of them to have those skills as they begin to run circles around some of the other players that have depended only on their size.
Sorry this is off track, but have had many "size discussions" lately.  Know a few kids who have been cut from teams in this U-14 year because of size alone, which could be a whole 'nother topic.  Does size matter?  (no pun intended)

size does matter, I don't see anything wrong with coaches picking the biggest, strongest, fastest kids, sports is a tough world. Same as movies, same as Wall Street, not all kids will make it past their early teens playing sports. It's unfortunate, but life. And kids need to learn about life, it's hard, they are not going to start as president of Ford Motor Co. They may not even start as the janitor. Same as soccer, football, anything, not everyone can play at the top levels. Not because of talent, or enthusiasm, but size you can't teach, you got it or don't got it. Speed you got or don't got. It doesn't seem fair, but it's the way of the world. Look at Ben Afleck, smart ? No, athletic ? No. Big ? No. Good looking ? (NOTHING he had anything to do with BTW), Yes, so he makes 20 million a year while Joe Schoe is an extremely talented actor and waits tables at night to stand in line for a part in a commercial. Not fair, but life. This is what our kids need to learn, IMNTBHO.

[easternwashington]

ODP should pick the best players possible at that age. Granted a lot of players will get missed that are small, skilled and might in time become a better player. But the ODP system is about the best players at that given time.

Now do they do a good job of letting those small, skilled, going to be great players know that just give it time and they will be the eventual stud on the older ODP team. NOPE! Instead they crush them and those kids never want to play for Washington again.

By the way Washingotn ODP is a lot stronger than the ORegon and thus ORegon is a lot easier to make. If I live in Vancouver and had a small crafty talented individual I would take him/her to Oregon. Let him/her have a chanve to suceed.

[sccraddict]

I agree Eastern.  Once a team has been set, the changes are sometimes not what they should be.  There are very talented players that are not looked at, mostly due to politics and the good ol' boys club.  The old adage, it is not what you know, but who you know applies greatly to the Washington ODP-

[2muchsoccer]

Some good stuff you have all worded on, thanks!
I will use the suggestion and move the question on over to 'general talk', but was hoping that I could get some talk from the younger audience to see what their experience has been/is currently on the ODP programs.

I must say size does matter. Was told by a big name ODP coach picking team this year, told all the parents that they were deciding on SIZE FIRST. Yikes. Well, at least they were up-front and honest now. That meant if your kid was on the 'small side', you knew they were out.
I agree/disagree with that, but do understand it is part of the deciding factor. Guess this just means you had better get your kid out there with practices...next few years they can sprout up and hit the jack pot when it comes to selection again in years to come?

[MadAboutSoccer]

If those kids had to order shirt size of a few of the girls ODP coaches they would be camping on the fields inside the jersey's.  

Hey, maybe that is why they want the bigger player!!!  So they dont feel so over------.

[Wolverine]

if you live in Belingham, then the Canadian "ODP" is the way to go!  Turn in that US flag for a Maple leaf and you will experience some of the best training available.  Now put that in your pipe and smoke bub! :twisted:

[nosoupforU]

If those kids had to order shirt size of a few of the girls ODP coaches they would be camping on the fields inside the jersey's.  

Hey, maybe that is why they want the bigger player!!!  So they dont feel so over------.

ooooohhhhhhh, MEEEEE-OOOWWWWW !!

But true, I tell my kids all the time; "see that person ? DO NOT make them a role model" HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

[2muchsoccer]

I don't think I want to make the drive or move to Canada, thanks.
But, you are talking about kids that look seven feet tall out on field up there?
My kid too small. Wouldn't make that team either way if they look at size already out here!

QUESTION:
If a team playes league in Oregon, doesn't get scouted from WA(and in P1 out there), would it be better to try to get foot in door in Washington ODP at younger age if they tend to already have "kids picked" at younger level than to wait when the team moves to play league in WA when they hit U-14???

Seems like the poll is Oregon is the way to go if you can make the drive (and apparently if you have small fry kid).

[Ninja]

I don't think I want to make the drive or move to Canada, thanks.
But, you are talking about kids that look seven feet tall out on field up there?
My kid too small. Wouldn't make that team either way if they look at size already out here!

QUESTION:
If a team playes league in Oregon, doesn't get scouted from WA(and in P1 out there), would it be better to try to get foot in door in Washington ODP at younger age if they tend to already have "kids picked" at younger level than to wait when the team moves to play league in WA when they hit U-14???

Seems like the poll is Oregon is the way to go if you can make the drive (and apparently if you have small fry kid).

I would say the state level teams lead you to Regionals so if your chances are better in Oregon go there, and work on the Regional part of it.