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« on: June 20, 2006, 11:30:47 AM »
This just brought up in nother topic, thought maybe it could start some blah blah blah ;)


Recruiting, when is it ok?  You opinions :mrgreen:
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Re: When is recruiting OK?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 11:39:07 AM »
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This just brought up in nother topic, thought maybe it could start some blah blah blah ;)


Recruiting, when is it ok?  You opinions :mrgreen:


I always ask the coach if it's OK if I talk to one of his/her kids. I have grabbed parents as they're walking off the field after congratulating the kid on a great game. But not in all-out recruit mode. Just mentioning that the kid seems good enough to be playing up, and here's someone to talk to if you are interested in learning more. That person is me so there's no promises made that can't be fulfilled. I always stress the high level of commitment that's required of ALC for the kid and mostly for the parent. It is costly, time consuming and takes real dedication. Plenty of kids have the talent but not the desire. Plenty of parents have the opinion that their kid is good enough, but don't want the hassle of soccer 24/7 like is required.
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Re: When is recruiting OK?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 11:52:43 AM »
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This just brought up in nother topic, thought maybe it could start some blah blah blah ;)


Recruiting, when is it ok?  You opinions :mrgreen:


After any team involved is done for the season and cup.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 11:56:38 AM »
Amen Gumby!  So you know that recruiting happens all summer long.  The team has already been picked, but it is open season till --what Sept 1st???  I still don't like recruiting after a team has been picked in March, but it happens all the time, especially at the older ages.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 12:07:15 PM »
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Amen Gumby!  So you know that recruiting happens all summer long.  The team has already been picked, but it is open season till --what Sept 1st???  I still don't like recruiting after a team has been picked in March, but it happens all the time, especially at the older ages.


I agree with that, no recruiting after March try-outs. But since everyone else does it and IS doing it, you have to at least keep your eyes and ears open. I don't like brazen, late night, top secret recruiting business. I won't do it, but there are plenty that do.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 12:28:34 PM »
It is Ok for Crossfire to do it whenever they want
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 12:33:45 PM »
Nobody will stop it after tryouts and it goes on all summer till the roster deadline and then it starts again for state cup rosters.  The powers that be won't address it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 12:57:06 PM »
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It is Ok for Crossfire to do it whenever they want



 :lol:  :lol:   you pot stirrer you :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2006, 12:58:06 PM »
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Nobody will stop it after tryouts and it goes on all summer till the roster deadline and then it starts again for state cup rosters.  The powers that be won't address it.


What is your suggestion as to stopping it ? I'd like to see it done also, but I can't see a way to regulate it. There are kids who decide a month or two after try-outs that they're genuinely not happy with their team of choice. Then there's those who are goaded into saying they're not happy to jump to another team.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2006, 01:03:50 PM »
No Soup--I don't think there is an easy answer.  Maybe say a 6 month roster freeze after tryouts in March, or have your tryouts after the open season in August/September.  The way it is now with tryouts, LPTs, roster changes after LPTs, roster changes after the summer tourney recruiting season, season, roster changes in season for state cup, blah blah blah--it makes it hard for the team who is trying to build/develop from getting run over by the recruitment steamroller.  These are the teams who recruit to win and build a team and then there are a lot of players/families who get left by the side and have to decide if they enjoy this game we call soccer after their disappointments.  I ramble now, so will shut up.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2006, 01:20:36 PM »
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Nobody will stop it after tryouts and it goes on all summer till the roster deadline and then it starts again for state cup rosters.  The powers that be won't address it.


What is your suggestion as to stopping it ? I'd like to see it done also, but I can't see a way to regulate it. There are kids who decide a month or two after try-outs that they're genuinely not happy with their team of choice. Then there's those who are goaded into saying they're not happy to jump to another team.


Agreed nosoup.  You can't stop the kids from moving to a better fit.  It is what it is.  A grey area that is open for exploitation.  Some exploit it better than others.  :evil:
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2006, 01:26:13 PM »
I believe what is in the WSYSA bylaws is open recruiting is allowed except from Aug. 1 to end of the season (I believe the premier season, does not include state cup)...and coaches can't talk bad about one another, say incorrect things etc....it seems recruiting is just apart of youth sports...AAU basketball has to be the most rutheless of any (might be different over the mountains)...

...and if it is apart of youth sports (not just soccer)...then it seems one quality that has to be involved in assesing a coach is recruiting (fortunately or unfortunately :evil: )
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2006, 01:36:52 PM »
Gumby do you think the recruiting within the grey area is a positive for the individual soccer player and the building of teams?  Or do you think this exploitation is just a marketing tool that some mega clubs use to their advantage.  Is it just a tool like tryouts, tourneys and orange slices?
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2006, 01:59:38 PM »
This past weekend I saw a few coaches hanging out on sidelines of teams they don't coach but were from their age group. Were they checking out the talent for recruiting purposes? hmmm. Now I wonder?? :roll:
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2006, 02:05:14 PM »
Ohhhhhh  the plot thickens :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2006, 02:23:07 PM »
Recruiting is not a good thing expecially when it is someone who you consider a friend and they take two kids from your club under your nose.

Now that is integrity....

I do not believe in recruiting.  I think as a coach if you do your job properly then the word gets out and the talent may come.  If not you build on what you have and the kids bond together and grow.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2006, 02:24:36 PM »
So does anyone know of any players leaving there current teams for others?  

I do.

Those CP's and DD's have ther reasons.  Should ask them.  Maybe the grass looks greener.  

Can it be stopped?  Most likely not.  

Does guest playing and recruiting go hand in hand?   You bet.  There are a few exceptions to this, but not many.
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2006, 02:30:56 PM »
Dragon hear Doggys DD is being recruited by the Sounder-Saints :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2006, 02:48:29 PM »
Wow...I just think this is a free country and if DD wants to play somewhere else, she has her reasons.  

If this was something bothering me, as a coach or parent, I would certainly ASK why and be done with it.   :roll:
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2006, 02:56:05 PM »
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Dragon hear Doggys DD is being recruited by the Sounder-Saints :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:


Not for a long long long time.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2006, 02:57:21 PM »
You neva know, gotta watch those sneaky coach's, they latch on early :lol:
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 02:59:48 PM »
They want that early draft pick :mrgreen:
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2006, 03:00:43 PM »
Recruiting is being done all the time by many different clubs and coaches.  Some of the best clubs do not develop the players they recruit them.  That being said -  witnessed recruiting being done in Pasco @ LPT's - come on now, at least let the tournament be done with.  On the flip side, a few kids were also contacting coaches there because their teams didn't make it.  U-14 is when the real recruiting seems to start and it doesn't get any better.  It goes on all the time at the older ages.

There can be right and wrong ways to recruit, but I believe that it needs to stop during the season- it should be done pre-tryouts.  My .02...
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2006, 03:18:44 PM »
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Recruiting is not a good thing expecially when it is someone who you consider a friend and they take two kids from your club under your nose.

Now that is integrity....

I do not believe in recruiting.  I think as a coach if you do your job properly then the word gets out and the talent may come.  If not you build on what you have and the kids bond together and grow.


Maybe it was the bottom statement why the kids left and not the first. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2006, 03:21:46 PM »
:roll:...tisk, tisk, tisk.   Look what you started, Dragon!!

Good blah blah blah though!!   :lol:  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2006, 03:22:34 PM »
Dragon...I'm jealous! :mrgreen:
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2006, 03:33:57 PM »
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Recruiting is not a good thing expecially when it is someone who you consider a friend and they take two kids from your club under your nose.

Now that is integrity....

I do not believe in recruiting.  I think as a coach if you do your job properly then the word gets out and the talent may come.  If not you build on what you have and the kids bond together and grow.


Maybe it was the bottom statement why the kids left and not the first. ;)


So then Cheese you are saying that I can be your friend and take two players from you without a word????  By the way...  I would never do that.  It is called respect.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2006, 03:38:41 PM »
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Recruiting is not a good thing expecially when it is someone who you consider a friend and they take two kids from your club under your nose.

Now that is integrity....

I do not believe in recruiting.  I think as a coach if you do your job properly then the word gets out and the talent may come.  If not you build on what you have and the kids bond together and grow.


Maybe it was the bottom statement why the kids left and not the first. ;)


So then Cheese you are saying that I can be your friend and take two players from you without a word????  By the way...  I would never do that.  It is called respect.


I guess there was not enough communication going on.  :?
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2006, 03:41:39 PM »
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Recruiting is not a good thing expecially when it is someone who you consider a friend and they take two kids from your club under your nose.

Now that is integrity....

I do not believe in recruiting.  I think as a coach if you do your job properly then the word gets out and the talent may come.  If not you build on what you have and the kids bond together and grow.


Maybe it was the bottom statement why the kids left and not the first. ;)


So then Cheese you are saying that I can be your friend and take two players from you without a word????  By the way...  I would never do that.  It is called respect.


I guess there was not enough communication going on.  :?


The unfortunate thing is what I thought was a good friendship and coaching partnership ended.
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2006, 03:44:45 PM »
Cheese correct me if I am wrong--maybe the friendship wasn't the issue, it was the coaching that created the need to change.  I know this hurts and the coach is generally the last to know.
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