Topic: When is recruiting OK? (Read 3982 times)

yote19 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 20, 2006, 06:38:39 PM »

Nah, WSYSA will provide the fields

Viper · « **Reply #61 on:** June 20, 2006, 10:42:13 PM »

Recruiting happens year long. If you don't think it does then you are blind. I must admit most coaches don't do it and just select few do. Everyone knows who they are. Should rules be put in place. Yeah, maybe. But it is still going to happen wether you like it or not. If you have ever been recruited you know what it is like and if you haven't then your lucky. Just like car salesmen always the best deal in town. Do your homework.

Viper oooouuuttt

Great Dane · « **Reply #62 on:** June 20, 2006, 11:04:53 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

Next thing you know King County will build a high speed rail system for the convenience of the eastsiders to get their DDs to practice down at River Road, all at taxpayers expense of course.

Last time I checked, River Road was in Pierce County - not King County.

Dragon · « **Reply #63 on:** June 20, 2006, 11:37:19 PM »

Welcome aboard VIPER! Always glad ta welcome nother reptile :mrgreen:

yote19 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:16:36 AM »

thats ok, king county will pay for everything only if they say they are needy

nosoupforU · « **Reply #65 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:08:51 PM »

Quote from: "Viper"

Recruiting happens year long. If you don't think it does then you are blind. I must admit most coaches don't do it and just select few do. Everyone knows who they are. Should rules be put in place. Yeah, maybe. But it is still going to happen wether you like it or not. If you have ever been recruited you know what it is like and if you haven't then your lucky. Just like car salesmen always the best deal in town. Do your homework.

Viper oooouuuttt

what would anyone say to a coach, after the team invites your team to a friendly scrimmage. Who after the scrimmage brings the CD, a bunch of parents and tells the parents of a certain kid who has said all year how happy they are on their new team anything they want to hear to get the parents to defect. AND 10 days prior to 4 upcoming weekends of tournaments.

Tells the parents and kid they made a big mistake, promises them a starting spot on the B team. Promises them not only a starting spot on the B team but that they will be also playing on the A team alot. The same promises this team made to the kid and parents last year, but were never fulfilled.

Does anyone think this is about as low as it gets ? And what about leaving the current team in dire straits a week prior to a bunch of important tournaments ? Isn't there any responsibility in the world anymore ? Commitment means nothing to some parents ? Especially as this team was bad-mouthed all year as their prior team.

I feel bad for the kid, the kids reputation is going to be one of being unreliable, team jumping, etc. And the parents, which team is going to want to take on a kid that can't be sure how long they'll be around til the parents see greener grass ? Do the parents really think they're helping their kid ? Do they really think their kid is THAT good ? Very sad when things like this happen.

sockemgirlz · « **Reply #66 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:24:26 PM »

Quote from: "easternwashington"

It is Ok for Crossfire to do it whenever they want

:shock:

sccraddict · « **Reply #67 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:29:15 PM »

Quote from: "nosoupforU"

Quote from: "Viper"
Recruiting happens year long. If you don't think it does then you are blind. I must admit most coaches don't do it and just select few do. Everyone knows who they are. Should rules be put in place. Yeah, maybe. But it is still going to happen wether you like it or not. If you have ever been recruited you know what it is like and if you haven't then your lucky. Just like car salesmen always the best deal in town. Do your homework.

Viper oooouuuttt

what would anyone say to a coach, after the team invites your team to a friendly scrimmage. Who after the scrimmage brings the CD, a bunch of parents and tells the parents of a certain kid who has said all year how happy they are on their new team anything they want to hear to get the parents to defect. AND 10 days prior to 4 upcoming weekends of tournaments.

Tells the parents and kid they made a big mistake, promises them a starting spot on the B team. Promises them not only a starting spot on the B team but that they will be also playing on the A team alot. The same promises this team made to the kid and parents last year, but were never fulfilled.

Does anyone think this is about as low as it gets ? And what about leaving the current team in dire straits a week prior to a bunch of important tournaments ? Isn't there any responsibility in the world anymore ? Commitment means nothing to some parents ? Especially as this team was bad-mouthed all year as their prior team.

I feel bad for the kid, the kids reputation is going to be one of being unreliable, team jumping, etc. And the parents, which team is going to want to take on a kid that can't be sure how long they'll be around til the parents see greener grass ? Do the parents really think they're helping their kid ? Do they really think their kid is THAT good ? Very sad when things like this happen.

Pretty sad nosoup......but your last paragraph hits the nail on the head, and if people don't think their kid can get that rep they have another thing coming. Coaches talk, parents talk, things happen and I have seen good players not get picked up for this very reason.

Vantucky · « **Reply #68 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:29:21 PM »

Soup can you try that one again. Your rant sounded like it could be awful darn interesting if I just knew what you were saying.

goldentoe · « **Reply #69 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:32:15 PM »

I guess this is a mixed bag and will probably sound like I am recruiting but I truly believe this is how things should be.

We are always excited to have players that want to play for us, even if that means they are coming from another team. If they are not happy where they are, I feel it is our job to try to provide them that opportunity. We as coaches are supposed to keep the kids in the game.

On the otherside, if a player is being recruited to play somewhere else and they want to go, I have no problem letting them go.

Will I be upset? Absolutely, but not at the other coach and really not even at the player. The reality is, our team will be better off in the end if they do not want to be here. Why would you want anyone that is unhappy on your team? They are a cancer waiting to spread and will only destroy your team.

We push our players to get to the next level but we do it without degrading them. We are about being honest with them but building their confidence in the process. We will take the time to work with them one on one in practice or by meeting them on a non practice day, or whatever else is needed.

After all that, if a player wants to go somewhere else, then we have no problem with it. If the player is putting in the effort as mentioned above and still wants to go somewhere else then that is definitely their choice.

If they are not and they want to go somewhere else, the problem will not change for them and we have more time and enrgy to spend on the players we do have.

Does that all make sense?

nosoupforU · « **Reply #70 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:46:37 PM »

Quote from: "goldentoe"

I guess this is a mixed bag and will probably sound like I am recruiting but I truly believe this is how things should be.

We are always excited to have players that want to play for us, even if that means they are coming from another team. If they are not happy where they are, I feel it is our job to try to provide them that opportunity. We as coaches are supposed to keep the kids in the game.

On the otherside, if a player is being recruited to play somewhere else and they want to go, I have no problem letting them go.

Will I be upset? Absolutely, but not at the other coach and really not even at the player. The reality is, our team will be better off in the end if they do not want to be here. Why would you want anyone that is unhappy on your team? They are a cancer waiting to spread and will only destroy your team.

We push our players to get to the next level but we do it without degrading them. We are about being honest with them but building their confidence in the process. We will take the time to work with them one on one in practice or by meeting them on a non practice day, or whatever else is needed.

After all that, if a player wants to go somewhere else, then we have no problem with it. If the player is putting in the effort as mentioned above and still wants to go somewhere else then that is definitely their choice.

If they are not and they want to go somewhere else, the problem will not change for them and we have more time and enrgy to spend on the players we do have.

Does that all make sense?

it does make sense, thank you. I also agree with it, if a player is unhappy they should go someplace where they are happy. You just wonder if it's what the kid really wants, or needs.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #71 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:48:10 PM »

Quote from: "Vantucky"

Soup can you try that one again. Your rant sounded like it could be awful darn interesting if I just knew what you were saying.

I got a phone call this morning from a friend up north. She was relating a story of something that went on on her sons team. It just kind of frosted me that coaches do this sort of thing. It's disgusting.

Momskick · « **Reply #72 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:50:01 PM »

Quote from: "sockemgirlz"

Quote from: "easternwashington"
It is Ok for Crossfire to do it whenever they want

:shock:

I have personally seen it happen. Really is not appropriate. I think it teaches our children to jump ship whenever a better deal comes along. ( not necessarily a good choice in life) I beleive truly that the parents and kids need to be sure of their choices. If they don't like the team for whatever reason wait till tryouts for the next season. Stick it out until then...Watch other teams to see their progress. My DD has been approached. It is taken as a compliment but no changes would ever be made until the END of a season. (just my opinion :roll:

yote19 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:50:02 PM »

"Some Coaches" do it all the time. "Some Programs" do it all the time

Vantucky · « **Reply #74 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:02:04 PM »

Does it happen because there are not any rules against it or what?

nosoupforU · « **Reply #75 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:02:14 PM »

Quote from: "Momskick"

Quote from: "sockemgirlz"
Quote from: "easternwashington"
It is Ok for Crossfire to do it whenever they want

:shock:

I have personally seen it happen. Really is not appropriate. I think it teaches our children to jump ship whenever a better deal comes along. ( not necessarily a good choice in life) I beleive truly that the parents and kids need to be sure of their choices. If they don't like the team for whatever reason wait till tryouts for the next season. Stick it out until then...Watch other teams to see their progress. My DD has been approached. It is taken as a compliment but no changes would ever be made until the END of a season. (just my opinion :roll:

geez, can you come be our personal morals coach ? Life lessons is what youth sports is all about.

Jumping ship, no kidding, what a horrible legacy to leave a kid.
"Sorry kids, a better looking guy likes me, I'm outta here"
"Sorry boss, I really meant to get that bridge finished, but ABC Co is offering me a better office with a view. I hope too many people don't drive off the end before you find someone to finish it"
"yea I'll be right back to finish my college degree, I just want to hang out for a while, I'll get around to finishing my last semester"

goldentoe · « **Reply #76 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:11:11 PM »

it does make sense, thank you. I also agree with it, if a player is unhappy they should go someplace where they are happy. You just wonder if it's what the kid really wants, or needs.[/quote]

Either way, it is better for your team if they are gone. If they need it they probably are having issues on the team or any number of things. I actually know a player that is on a very good team that gets a decent amount of playing time but is not happy with coach or teammates.

If they want it they are probably a selfish player where nothing is going to change anyway.

I agree with Momskick from the moral standpoint of it but as a coach, I would rather a player leave if they are not happy. The Cancer spreading thing. Otherwise, i am forced to deal with it or face the possibility of others leaving the next year because they think I won't do anything.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #77 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:46:11 PM »

Quote from: "Vantucky"

Does it happen because there are not any rules against it or what?

there are rules, if a coach openly recruits a rostered player the parent can turn in the coach for disiplinary action. But the rules are easily circumvented; "hey mom, dad, if anyone asks YOU came to me first, OK"? "don't tell anyone I called you everyday for a month after you accepted a position with XX team". It happens all the time, usually it always from the same list of miscreants.

Momskick · « **Reply #78 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:16:50 PM »

I still beleive that even as a coach you must stick with the team you selected this game goes both ways to players and coaches....
The reason being is that the coach selects his or hers team through a procecss of tryouts. As in anything sometimes you get a winning player or a winning team - sometimes you don't, that is just the way it goes.

If its Ok to leave a team because the "kid" (parent in most cases) is not a happy little player then is it on the other hand ok for a coach to jump ship if the team is loosing or if the coach can't handle the personality or personalities of a player?? :roll: I'm just babbling....

goldentoe · « **Reply #79 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:41:47 PM »

Momskick, I do not think you are babbling at all. I agree with what you are saying and you have great points. I guess what I am saying is there is always an exception and if a kid stays in a spot that is not healthy it could destroy there love of the game before the next tryout.

I have been in the position you mention as a coach and I would have to say it would depend on the age group how I would handle it. The age group ('94) I am at now, I would try to find guest coaches within the club, outside of the club, anything just to find that light for the girls.

I had the other situation occur way back when and I stuck it out until the end but it was the worst 6 months of my coaching experiences. I dreaded practices, I did not like the girls or there attitudes and they all had blamed the previous years coach for problems too.

Reality is that coach seems to be a pretty okay guy and he has now been with the same club for every year since that season. I would like to think I am an okay guy too but my point is again, there are exceptions to everything and sometimes a change just needs to be made but it needs to be a last resort. It can't be bailing just to ball.

Now whose babbling. :lol:

Momskick · « **Reply #80 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:00:55 PM »

You are right also. I guess there is never a simple way out of any situation it is just depending on the individual circumstances. I think we have ALL been in surroundings that we have literally hated.. but have suffered through it till the end whatever the reason....

easternwashington · « **Reply #81 on:** July 14, 2006, 08:01:50 PM »

who cares!!!

If you have the best program why would anyone leave?

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