Topic: Parent Coaches vs. Non Parent Coaches (Read 1949 times)

easternwashington · « **on:** July 01, 2006, 08:08:31 AM »

Parent Coaches or not....what does everyone think.....

vusa92blue · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2006, 09:43:05 AM »

Our team has no Parent Coaches involved with the team. Takes a lot of the politics out of the equation.

dogedog · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2006, 09:47:52 AM »

Quote from: "HB92Troy"

Takes a lot of the politics out of the equation.

I agree. I've been on both sides. I've seen some awesome parent coaches and not so awesome. This is our first season we don't have a parent coach and it's awesome.

Brat Jr · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:17:48 AM »

Quote from: "dogedog"

Quote from: "HB92Troy"
Takes a lot of the politics out of the equation.

I agree. I've been on both sides. I've seen some awesome parent coaches and not so awesome. This is our first season we don't have a parent coach and it's awesome.

I coached my oldest DD in volleyball quite a few years ago.
Sabrina played very well, was at every game, practice, whatever but everyone thought she was on the team because she was my DD. I vowed from that season on, that I would not coach my kids' teams after a certain age.
My kids hate this, but they are making it on their own, not because I am the coach.

Dragon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:56:22 AM »

da 4th answer so funny ol' D had ta pick it :lol:

Great Dane · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2006, 01:38:03 PM »

Quote from: "BratillaJr"

Quote from: "dogedog"
Quote from: "HB92Troy"
Takes a lot of the politics out of the equation.

I agree. I've been on both sides. I've seen some awesome parent coaches and not so awesome. This is our first season we don't have a parent coach and it's awesome.

I coached my oldest DD in volleyball quite a few years ago.
Sabrina played very well, was at every game, practice, whatever but everyone thought she was on the team because she was my DD. I vowed from that season on, that I would not coach my kids' teams after a certain age.
My kids hate this, but they are making it on their own, not because I am the coach.

Actually there's another way it can work out as well (sort of the opposite of above)...the coach/parent tries so hard to make sure people see that he/she is not giving his/her kid preferential treatment that the parent/coach is super hard on the poor kid. :cry: My best friend's Dad coached our varsity baseball team in high school, and this is exactly what happened. My friend was probably the best player on the team, but based on how much his Dad yelled at him you would think he the worst. Maybe part of it is that the parent might have a tendency to expect more from their own flesh and blood than another coach would. I've even seen it where they don't start their own kid when they definately deserve it based on ability - just so others won't think just what Brat points out above. This simply isn't fair to the kid either. So, even though in theory it might seem like a neat idea for a parent / kid to have that experience, it takes a special kind of parent to keep everything in balance and in perspective. Most that I've seen are not able to do it.

easternwashington · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:00:13 PM »

How many should really pick #4

dogedog · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:37:49 PM »

We have always had parent coaches for as long as I can remember that's what helps keep all sports running.

easternwashington · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:14:51 PM »

That's great doggy...but would a non-parent coach be better?

dogedog · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:48:11 PM »

Quote from: "easternwashington"

That's great doggy...but would a non-parent coach be better?

Sure it would. Now are they paid, volunteer?

easternwashington · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:52:19 PM »

Does it matter?

Great Dane · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2006, 12:21:06 AM »

Quote from: "dogedog"

We have always had parent coaches for as long as I can remember that's what helps keep all sports running.

This is absolutely correct for the younger ages, but the issues of concern discussed so far on this thread are no so much of an issue at that point. I think once they hit middle school age and older, it's just seems to be a bit of a different story. Of course there are exceptions, but that's true for anything in life.

cheese · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2006, 12:27:15 AM »

Quote from: "easternwashington"

Does it matter?

I have seen awesome coaches do it (without a kid on the team) for free just because they love the game. Really good season.

I have also seen paid coaches do just as good....so I guess it really does not matter if they are paid or not. It's how much effort they put into coaching the team.

However, if you were a real good coach would you do it for free or would you like to get paid for it? A lot of people might say they would do it for free but when it comes down to it.....money talks.

easternwashington · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2006, 06:15:31 AM »

It seems like if you pay for it...it would be better....more accountability...not saying a volunteer would do bad....but not as much accountability.

yote19 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 03, 2006, 10:37:48 AM »

I believe some volunteer coaches do it for the love of the game and giving back to the game. What accountability? There is no difference in accountability between a volunteer, paid, parent, non-parent coach in youth soccer. If they (parents and administrators) want to get rid of you, they will devise a scheme to do it. For a paid coach they just go to the next paycheck. For a volunteer coach, they must decide if they still want to give back to the game or whether all of "it" is worth it.

Gumby · « **Reply #15 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:05:54 AM »

Parent coaches are a must are the younger ages. There just aren't enough people willing to volunteer without the personal interest. As the kids get older and move up the competitive ladder, parents are less needed, but shouldn't be expelled just because they are a parent.

Personal experience. I coached my older DD from U-7 rec through U-9 in both spring and fall rec leagues. I was relieved when she made a premier team for her U-10 year as I was out of coaching tricks. I did not stay as coach with her old team, but another parent stepped up and the team is doing quite well in rec play. I now coach my younger DD at U-9, but in the fall only. The reason? She doesn't want to be the coach's kid for both seasons. This is a very valid concern of hers that I respect. Younger DD will more than likely not make a premier team later so I've been taking coaching classes and persuing liscenses to contiunue coaching her team at the older ages, hopefully at the club select level. Coaches at this level are always needed. If parents aren't consisdered, a large coaching shortage could result.

Also, many college coaches coach their kids even at that level. When I was at college the coach's son played QB for the team and won many conf. championships. This question clearly needs to be looked at on a case by case basis.

I voted for #1, only because #3 was too restrictive.

yote19 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:21:11 AM »

Gumby, you also must remember that many parent coaches played through college and beyond, have gone on to get their licenses and are coaching with this experience in their back pocket. And there child just happens to be on the team. Generally, the child has more experience than many of the other kids because they have been surrounded by the game all of their lives.

easternwashington · « **Reply #17 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:11:43 PM »

That's great that they have played in collegeetcetcetc.....but should they coach their kids at the competitive level...does it work....there are many coaches now that have all the things you state yote...but should they coach their own kin?

yote19 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:47:57 PM »

I think/know/seen it can work-what about you?

yote19 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:48:29 PM »

then again I have seen it abused and not work--depends on the situation and person

nosoupforU · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2006, 09:27:05 AM »

Quote from: "yote19"

then again I have seen it abused and not work--depends on the situation and person

"Depends on the person".

Just cause a parent is a coach, doesn't mean they'll be a good coach. But being a good coach doesn't preclude being a parent, or of being paid. A good coach will play, and therefore reward the hard work of a player, kin or not. Both coaches on DD's current team have kids who play on the same team. I've never seen favoritism, maybe even the opposite. The asst coach has to get after the head coach at times for being extra hard on the coaches kid.

Great Dane · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:31:50 AM »

Quote from: "nosoupforU"

Quote from: "yote19"
then again I have seen it abused and not work--depends on the situation and person

"Depends on the person".

Just cause a parent is a coach, doesn't mean they'll be a good coach. But being a good coach doesn't preclude being a parent, or of being paid. A good coach will play, and therefore reward the hard work of a player, kin or not. Both coaches on DD's current team have kids who play on the same team. I've never seen favoritism, maybe even the opposite. The asst coach has to get after the head coach at times for being extra hard on the coaches kid.

This is exactly the point I brought up a while back on this thread. I've seen it happen where the coach is so hard on his own kid (which happened to be the best player on the team) that he almost wanted to quit playing all together. Like I said, it's tough for a parent coach to get a good balance without going too far one way or another.

soccerdaddio · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:03:46 AM »

I have seen it the other way where the Parent coach is not as hard on his own kid and would actually start her regardless of how strong the other players are.. not a good situation

yote19 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:38:30 AM »

you can go back and forth on this. Depends on the coach, depends on the player, depends on the team. But many times if it is a coach who is coaching their player/daughter/son--do you think they would invest the hours to coaching unless they are a paid coach looking for the buck? I take my hat off to the coach who wants to invest in their childs team that has the knowledge and experience in coaching and wants to give back to the game for the love of the game. Maybe that organization doesn't have the resources to hire a paid coach.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:18:11 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

you can go back and forth on this. Depends on the coach, depends on the player, depends on the team. But many times if it is a coach who is coaching their player/daughter/son--do you think they would invest the hours to coaching unless they are a paid coach looking for the buck? I take my hat off to the coach who wants to invest in their childs team that has the knowledge and experience in coaching and wants to give back to the game for the love of the game. Maybe that organization doesn't have the resources to hire a paid coach.

good points, I know our club has the resources to pay coaches, and does pay most of them. There are several coaches who still volunteer their time and will not accept coaches pay. And some take a minimum, just enough to pay for some expenses.

cheese · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:35:59 PM »

Parent coach:
Good - if coach sees their own child as to how good their child actually is and plays them accordingly. Knows when to sub them out and put them in.

Bad - If the coach thinks their child is gods gift to the sport and plays them no matter what their skill is. Never subs them out and puts them in key positions.

Non-parent coach:
Good - Has a love for the game, focused on teaching and looks at the players objectively.....without prejudice.

Bad - If paid might be in it just for the $. Might have too many other commitments that takes away from the team.

Just some thought

nosoupforU · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:59:03 PM »

Quote from: "cheese"

Parent coach:
Good - if coach sees their own child as to how good their child actually is and plays them accordingly. Knows when to sub them out and put them in.

Bad - If the coach thinks their child is gods gift to the sport and plays them no matter what their skill is. Never subs them out and puts them in key positions.

Non-parent coach:
Good - Has a love for the game, focused on teaching and looks at the players objectively.....without prejudice.

Bad - If paid might be in it just for the $. Might have too many other commitments that takes away from the team.

Just some thought

yea, what Cheese said,,,,,

easternwashington · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:16:27 PM »

....but paid coaches can be fired....and should be fired if they do what cheese says....

cheese · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:34:03 PM »

I think it is easier to fire a paid coach. I have seen coaches both paid and not paid get fired.

Just depends on the club and their expectations.

lester · « **Reply #29 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:48:50 AM »

I vote yes for parent coaches.

Parent coaches bring a passion for team success that $$$ can't buy because it directly effects their kids' happiness. A parent coach will be more inclined to build a more stable team because they have a personal commitment to that team and its success, not to the club. They are there for the duration; consequently, it is to the parent coach's benefit to do all he can to improve your kid, thus, improving and stabilizing his team. If your kid benefits for a year or two along the way or rides the team all the way to the end, great for him. It doesn't work out for everybody.

Just go down the list of PRESENT coaches in WPFC that are coaching their kids or did in the past, there are at least seven including Olney, one of their directors.

The dad coach of the now defunct Blasters put them in D1, and kept them there, with no soccer background, experience or license. He was still recruited to coach for FC United. What made him successful...? ... enthusiasm and passion and a desire to build the best team around his kid that he could. From a club perspective, that parental instinct for preservation of their offspring can be used to build some pretty good teams. Many of the FC Royals teams were built that way in the era before paid coaching, O'Brien's United team, Black's WPFC team, Crook's Santos team. Independents like the Parrots also come to mind.

PS: Heard this year's WPFC BU18 Black team folded up recently. Sent those Blasters boys hunting for new teams. It takes passion to hold teams together, not just money, rules, and ultimatums.

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