Topic: Parent Coaches vs. Non Parent Coaches (Read 1949 times)

Brian McBride · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:10:35 PM »

I agree that there are many good parent coaches. I also coached my DD in Rec. (Not that I was a good coach) :shock: :shock: I think some clubs do well using parent coaches. It does add an external factor though. Does the coach's kid get preference or not? Does coach's kid's friend get preference??
Team chemistry is important it can work with parent coaches and paid coaches.
At the premier level I think the advantage may go to the paid coaches. You take away the conflict of interest of the parent coach. I think they are objectivly looking at the talent. They make mistakes but also do some great things with the kids. I also don't think most of them are in it for the money. If you take the hours at practice and the weekends schedule, the salery is not that much. I think most paid coaches are there for the love of the game. If they can teach and coach and make a little money doing it , God Bless Them. I know you will point out the few coaching directors that are "in it for the money", but most love soccer. Some are even trying to make a living doing what they love, that's OK.
Look at the top 10 teams at U12 How many are paid? Is that their only income? Ask, Brooke or Frenchie or Porter or GO why they coach??? Ask them about their passion :!: :!:
I also think it teaches the kids good life lessons. You have to work hard to get onto and stay on a team. You may not be good enough for the "A" team. I think this is more objective when you don't have a parent coach. If it isn't worth the money play somwhere else.
We all have choices, for some the parent coach works great. For others the paid coach is fine. If you don't like your paid coach, move on. I have said this before, If they do not add value, nobody will pay. I don't want a socialist soccer state program. So we all have choices, do what's best for you and your DD.

yote19 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:27:41 PM »

you don't think the paid ex-college players who have 2-3 teams that they train and make between $12-18K per team are not in it for the money. That is some good coin for evening work for a 23-24 year old. Then you add in their camps, tshirt sales, expenses paid to tourneys across the country etc etc and you have a pretty good living and get to see some of this great country in the name of soccer. Then you bash all of the non-paid coaches as not professional and you have a pretty good system going. There is a lot of generalities in the above statements, but some are more fact than fiction. Lester I agree with a lot of what you say.

Haole Boy · « **Reply #32 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:50:30 PM »

i've been on both side of this issue many times. i have yet to see a coach, paid or not, who DIDN'T have a passion for the game.

i see our coaches, who are paid, going well beyond what a paycheck would require and i think it's an insult to suggest that's their motivation.

Brian McBride · « **Reply #33 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:56:33 PM »

I am not dissing the parent coaches. I will restate the above, there are some good even great parent coaches.

I think you should look at the math to that $ 12-18 K per team. Maybe they make $10-15 per hour, maybe less. Not that that is bad, just a lot of hours for the money. Again, If you don't feel that the paid coaches are worth the money go elsewhere. What is wrong with people making money doing something they love and are good at.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #34 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:05:18 PM »

Quote from: "Haole Boy"

i've been on both side of this issue many times. i have yet to see a coach, paid or not, who DIDN'T have a passion for the game.

i see our coaches, who are paid, going well beyond what a paycheck would require and i think it's an insult to suggest that's their motivation.

$12-$18K per year is a good living ? Ha ! I'd bet if was broke down into an hourly wage it would be a couple bucks an hour. My spouse has been coaching for 15 years, it costs us money to coach. 14 years of coaching was for free. This year would have been also unless the club offered. But it doesn't pay for gas, travel, heart-aches, missed family events, vacation days taken to go out of town, clothing, shoes, first aid kits, meals for half the team during sleep-overs, birthday gifts, on and on and on.

Spouse coaches because of DD, and DD's love of the game, but mostly because spouse LOVES the game and loves kids. If spouse can foster love of the game in a kid ? Priceless.

yote19 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:07:33 PM »

I don't have a problem with it. I do feel that it adds to the cost of all sports (soccer, baseball, football, fastpitch, swimming, golf, tennis, volleyball) and I know it sets up situations where youth can't afford that option. Unless you want to pay the $2000-3000 for the kids that can't afford it. Sports used to be fun, now they are specializing and adding costs at very young ages. Different topic though...

yote19 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:15:50 PM »

No soup--whew!!! didn't say that all situations are the same. And I agree with what you are saying and have been in some of the same boat as your family, plus I signed my name to a student loan for a former player. But when you put in say 3-4 days a week at say 2 hours a day at $1000-1200 a month. Your expenses for travel are generally paid by the team. Sweat suits and other equipment paid. Then you add two to three teams. This is good money for an evening job. Didn't say anything about passion or love of the game. It is a committment and a love that you put back into the sport. But don't tell me the $'s don't add up.

yote19 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:18:57 PM »

and No Soup you forgot to mention missing other kids functions because you are dealing with 16-17 other families kids. That is probably the hardest in all parent coach situations. We all will be repaid for these efforts down the road. Some in different ways than others.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #38 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:31:15 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

No soup--whew!!! didn't say that all situations are the same. And I agree with what you are saying and have been in some of the same boat as your family, plus I signed my name to a student loan for a former player. But when you put in say 3-4 days a week at say 2 hours a day at $1000-1200 a month. Your expenses for travel are generally paid by the team. Sweat suits and other equipment paid. Then you add two to three teams. This is good money for an evening job. Didn't say anything about passion or love of the game. It is a committment and a love that you put back into the sport. But don't tell me the $'s don't add up.

let me re-phrase= "I would not coach for the money". My time is worth more to me than $500-$1000 a month. And the $12K I may make in a year coaching if divided by the amount of years I've had to put in to get to the $1K per month surely would be .25 cents an hour.

I know all situations aren't the same, no problem. I was just addressing one tangent of the whole issue.

But consider; 3 practices a week, 2 hours per, OK ? 30 minutes drive time each way, 30 minutes getting ready, finding the ball bag, the first aid kit, pennies, etc. So now we're at 3 1/2 to 4 hours a day, 3 or 4 days a week, just for practices. It's a lot, it's a huge time commitment. Our club pays some travel expenses, and provides the first uniform/sweats. After that we're on our own. We'll play in 7 or 8 tournaments this summer, I'll miss 7 or 8 Fridays. @$75+ per hour times 8 hours time 8 Fridays, it adds up. So the small coaches pay my spouse gets barely goes towards fuel. 3 or 4 kids need to be picked up for practice=extra gas. 3 or 4 kids need to be taken to tourneys, at least on the first day because parents can't get the day off=extra gas, food, entertainment. I have to admire coaches and what they do, it is an amazing thing. Sure there's always an exception to the rule. But most coaches are in it for the game, they'd still coach for free. I'd bet most would coach if they had to pay.

For a younger, single person having a couple teams may be a good living. But I have an extremely well paying career. Soccer interferes with that to a great degree. But it is my passion, so I gladly trade career time, for soccer time. So does my significant other.

Not arguing with you, just talkin, no worries.

yote19 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:46:37 PM »

I think I was mentioning a single ex-college player who probably still plays who now also coaches up to 3 teams.

And your successful and your spouses successful well paying careers probably allows the time off for soccer because of your success.

We all give back to society in many different ways (coaching, volunteering, ministering, just being a friend and helping the elderly etc etc), my point is that when we start charging for every aspect of volunteer and society work, we stop providing a value to a segment of society that can't afford this option. Not saying right or wrong, just something for all to think about.

nosoupforU · « **Reply #40 on:** July 06, 2006, 04:51:22 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

I think I was mentioning a single ex-college player who probably still plays who now also coaches up to 3 teams.

And your successful and your spouses successful well paying careers probably allows the time off for soccer because of your success.

We all give back to society in many different ways (coaching, volunteering, ministering, just being a friend and helping the elderly etc etc), my point is that when we start charging for every aspect of volunteer and society work, we stop providing a value to a segment of society that can't afford this option. Not saying right or wrong, just something for all to think about.

And I agree with your thoughts. I have been blessed with a well paying career, but it does cost me money to be gone. But you're right, we must not only put back into society what we've taken, but go the extra mile, for the good of all.

cheese · « **Reply #41 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:55:16 PM »

I help coach a HS track team in the spring. This year I made $40 in a gift card as a thanks from the head coach and students.

I'm not in it for the money, never have, never will. I enjoy teaching these kids a sport along with sportsmanship. Having one of my players do the best they ever did and watching their self esteem and confidence level grow is worth more then you can ever pay me.

Of course if I was offered a salary I would take it....who wouldn't. Life is more then just money tho. I will live with the memories of what I have done until I die......Money, I can spend in a day and not blink an eye. (hey, that rhymes :roll: )

There are good and bad reasons for both paid and volunteer coaches.

The choice is yours and what you want for your child and how it fits your lifestyle.

Vantucky · « **Reply #42 on:** July 07, 2006, 10:39:17 AM »

My preference would be a non-parent coach (don't care if they are paid or not) with many years of coaching experience who is interested in teaching the kids how to play soccer and provide those valuable life lessons that you get from team sports.

However, I do not have a problem with a parent coach as long as they know what they are doing and are objective in evaluating the players abilities.

In summary, I'm thankful to any coach that puts the time into our community and kids....

MA · « **Reply #43 on:** July 07, 2006, 10:47:46 AM »

Quote from: "Vantucky"

In summary, I'm thankful to any coach that puts the time into our community and kids....

I agree!!!!

Thanks to ALL the coaches, trainers and managers who give their time to the kids... paid or not! :mrgreen:

dogedog · « **Reply #44 on:** July 07, 2006, 10:56:12 AM »

Quote from: "miss america"

Quote from: "Vantucky"

In summary, I'm thankful to any coach that puts the time into our community and kids....

I agree!!!!

Thanks to ALL the coaches, trainers and managers who give their time to the kids... paid or not! :mrgreen:

I couldn't agree more.

For Keeps · « **Reply #45 on:** July 12, 2006, 11:42:21 PM »

Nice new avatar Dog! :mrgreen: :oops:

yote19 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:48:35 AM »

keeps is this new avatar of yours a message

For Keeps · « **Reply #47 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:58:34 AM »

Quote from: "yote19"

keeps is this new avatar of yours a message

Yes! I am really a small little rabbit with typing skills

skagitcoach · « **Reply #48 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:08:00 PM »

I think one important thing to consider is the relationship the parent/coach has with their child/player. I coached my DD's team a few years back in the WSYL and we were reasonably successful. But you reach a point with your children where it can become difficult to separate the roles of parent and coach and conflicts inevitably occur despite the best intentions of both parties! So I encouraged my daughter to go find another team and things worked out great for all concerned! I enjoyed the time I spent coaching my DD, but if I had to do it all over again, I don't know if I would coach my own kid at the premier level. More fun to sit back and just watch them play rather than dealing with all the extra baggage that can go with coaching your own DD or DS.

dogedog · « **Reply #49 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:47:10 PM »

Quote from: "For Keeps"

Nice new avatar Dog! :mrgreen: :oops:

Thanks, you too!!

Smile · « **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2006, 10:53:09 AM »

Great players make great coaches. If Michelle French or Mallia Arrant were mothers, they would not stop being good coaches would they?

yote19 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2006, 11:34:21 AM »

Nope--neither would a lot of other great parent coaches

skagitcoach · « **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:49:40 PM »

Quote from: "Smile"

Great players make great coaches. If Michelle French or Mallia Arrant were mothers, they would not stop being good coaches would they?

Michelle and Mallia are examples of great players who also are outstanding coaches. But not all great players turn out to be great coaches, because playing and teaching are not the same thing. A great coach is first and foremost a great teacher and motivator. I know several very successful coaches who had pretty modest (limited, even) playing ability and I know several great players who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag because they lacked people skills and the ability to teach.

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