Topic: ODP for the 94's (Read 2919 times)

Dragon · « **on:** July 18, 2006, 06:39:30 PM »

Next year is comin round faster then ya think.......

Post on general area got D ta thinkin, if 11 of 18 gals was from the same club would that tick you off? :roll:

Dragon think the CP's at WPS know more about which kids good at 94's then any coach would :lol: :lol:

Maybe we should pick da ODP team fo the 94's :mrgreen:

MA · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:42:20 PM »

ODP team or just a "super star" team . How bout both an A team and a B team from only girls playing 94?

Name the team you would choose if you could pick any 94 (in Wash. state only) first name and team they come from???

Im NO good at this but I have a feeling a few of you out there are....

Dragon · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:42:47 PM »

See they havin tryouts fo 94's in '07,

Who gonna take their DD there if no get letter?

2007 Open Try-out Schedule
March 24th Girls 1994
March 25th Boys 1994
March 31st Girls 1993-1990
April 1st Boys 1993-1990
*Players in the 2006 final pools are considered the 2007 pool ('93-'90) and do not need to attend the "Open Try-Out".
*specifics (time & location) will be posted for each age group link

Dragon · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:47:28 PM »

Quote from: "miss america"

ODP team or just a "super star" team . How bout both an A team and a B team from only girls playing 94?
Name the team you would choose if you could pick any 94 (in Wash. state only) first name and team they come from???

Im NO good at this but I have a feeling a few of you out there are....

Well a superstar team may just be a ODP team.

Instead of CP's being too "SHY" to post on open forum, send your votes for ODP/allstar team to Dragon. He will add them all up and make a list for all to look at :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

D3 informant was gonna do this long time ago, but never got around to it

You can vote for as many gals as you like (no more then 18 though), tell D their name, position, and team :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Dragon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:49:26 PM »

fo got to mention.........

Dragon will make the list 18 players deep, and may do 2 teams if have enough kids

We will see how "close we are" when it comes to next years actual ODP team

Don't be shy, send D a PM and Vote fo you kid :lol:

Please vote fo a few others as well though

Dragon · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:36:02 PM »

Back to da ODP stuff:

Dragon copy/paste this from ODP site..............

The 1993 age group will use a different process. Club coaches in the WSYSA U-14 Division I & II Leagues and the WSPL U-13 Leagues were sent personal letters in August 2005. Those coaches are being asked to go on-line to submit their recommendations for 1993 players. Names of these players must be submitted by September 30, 2005. The names recommended will form a list of players to scout during league games. Based on the recommendations of our scouting staff, a final group of players will be invited to training with the State ODP Staff in the spring to determine a final pool for this age group. Players of the 1993 birth year that participate in the U-12 leagues can be recommended by a club coaching director for consideration. However, U-12 leagues will not be scouted.The list of players to be invited for further evaluation will distributed during January 2006.

(this message has not been updated yet on their site, but should hold true fo this next years 94's as well)

Dragon would figure it would work the same way this year for 94 age group players.

Look like a Majority of 94 ODP team players will be from kids playin on 93 teams this year (or at least easier to get scouted). For a 94 birthyear player, who playin on a '94 team it look like it takes a little more effort from their coach and/or coaching director to get them recommended

So da Bottom Line is:

If you have a birthyear 94 player who is currently playing on a '93/U13 team you should not have a problem gettin you DD scouted during the season.
BUT,
If you have a birthyear 94 player who is currently playing on a '94/U12 team, you best stay on top of your coach/coaching director if you have hopes of getting her an "invitation letter" next year. :mrgreen:

Dragon · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2006, 09:33:20 PM »

Dragon would like to save this post for REAL ODP talk.

Dragon will create a new post fo "Dragon's U12 ODP" in a little while (after dinner)

So far got a TON of nominations, GREAT JOB CP's :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

MadAboutSoccer · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2006, 07:42:44 AM »

I think WPS would do a much better job at choosing the ODP players than the staff we currently have at WSYSA. We here in Washington have the most broken ODP system around. There are players out there that should be on the ODP team but do not attend because of various reasons.

cheese · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2006, 10:16:10 AM »

Quote from: "MadAboutSoccer"

I think WPS would do a much better job at choosing the ODP players than the staff we currently have at WSYSA. We here in Washington have the most broken ODP system around. There are players out there that should be on the ODP team but do not attend because of various reasons.

I agree. If your not on a certain team or on a team that is not a PDL team you have no chance of making ODP or even being nominated to ODP

yote19 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2006, 10:25:29 AM »

Cheese do you really believe "have no chance"???

cheese · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2006, 12:53:30 PM »

I really don't think they have any chance of even being looked at.

There are certain people that can 'back' a player and promote them. It seems to me that a lot of the ODP players that are chosen are playing for these certain coaches that make those decisions.

Maybe the idea is if a player is not on 'their' team P1 or P2 then they are obviously not good enough to be ODP. Hence, not even looked at.

Not playing for a Superteam does not always mean your not a good player. It could be too much of a hastle to drive the distance everyday. Maybe the coach does not like certain people so they won't pick the kid no matter how good they are.

Just my $.02 worth.....(and only just my opinion)

yote19 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2006, 01:24:04 PM »

I disagree, I know teams get scouted by ODP personnel, at least they used to. That person would show up, ask for a roster and you would see them at the end of the field watching both teams. Where that goes from there is hard to say, but I think when you say the teams that get no scouting and you have virtually no chance to get looked at by ODP unless you are in PDL/CDL is really selling the process short. Which I think still needs a lot of improvement, but there are some good people in that process still.

MadAboutSoccer · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:47:35 PM »

That is no longer the case for the older kids. I coached a P1 team from U16 to U18 and only once did we have an ODP scout at our games. I also use to be on the ODP staff as a coach and a scout. I will not comment other chose not to work in the program any longer. Do not get me wrong however, there are some very good coaches in the program but the way it is run is another story.

Also, parents pay bigs bucks to send kids out of state to tournaments and when their child sees only half of a game of playing time would you not be upset. ODP is to show kids to the Regional and National staff, how are they to get seen if the state coach is not playing them.

yote19 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:09:32 PM »

Good info -- I was talking about scouting at the younger ages, but with you within the system, I take your word for truth. That also may explain your sign in name also, Are you "mad about soccer" or just "MAD ABOUT SOCCER". Interesting and just made me go hmmmm,

MadAboutSoccer · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:35:46 PM »

mad in the england term, meaning CRAZY for soccer. NOT mad in an angry sence.

yote19 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:38:50 PM »

I thought so--just checking

MadAboutSoccer · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:40:12 PM »

Also to note. It is the Select Team Head coaches responsibility to nominate their top players into the first year of ODP. WSYSA has nomination forms on their website that the coaches are to use.

Parents need to remind the coaches of the in the up and coming year.

Momskick · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:45:14 PM »

This point is very true. We had this happen last year when the 93's were up and coming and needed a nomination from the coach before they would even be eligible for a letter. Some coaches however don't think it is for the better for a 12 year old to go into ODP or for the parents to pay for the expense at this age. Maybe at U-14...

cheese · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:55:09 PM »

I was just posting on what I have seen and heard. I'm sure it's not 100% kids from the bigger clubs getting accepted into ODP.

I can't think of any that are from the smaller clubs tho. Has there ever been a kid in ODP from Marysville, Shoreline, South Hill, Kent or many of the other clubs?

I really don't know, I have not had to deal with ODP and I am curious.

I hear that if your coach is a ODP coach/evaluator you have a much better chance of ODP then if that same kid was on a smaller club.

Dragon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:04:36 PM »

Quote from: "cheese"

I was just posting on what I have seen and heard. I'm sure it's not 100% kids from the bigger clubs getting accepted into ODP.

I can't think of any that are from the smaller clubs tho. Has there ever been a kid in ODP from Marysville, Shoreline, South Hill, Kent or many of the other clubs?

I really don't know, I have not had to deal with ODP and I am curious.

I hear that if your coach is a ODP coach/evaluator you have a much better chance of ODP then if that same kid was on a smaller club.

Dragon would assume dat true also :oops:

yote19 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:06:12 PM »

Cheese, I understand what you are saying. However, ODP does and can get access to the best players even if that player plays in Ellensburg. Politics within the coaches do occur, ultimately it is my experience that it is up to the parents to pay for expense and travel time of ODP at the younger ages. It is an expensive experience.

yote19 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:07:21 PM »

Quote from: "Dragon"

Quote from: "cheese"
I was just posting on what I have seen and heard. I'm sure it's not 100% kids from the bigger clubs getting accepted into ODP.

I can't think of any that are from the smaller clubs tho. Has there ever been a kid in ODP from Marysville, Shoreline, South Hill, Kent or many of the other clubs?

I really don't know, I have not had to deal with ODP and I am curious.

I hear that if your coach is a ODP coach/evaluator you have a much better chance of ODP then if that same kid was on a smaller club.

Dragon would assume dat true also :oops:

Remember Dragon that there is a normal migration of the better players to the top teams (clubs) as they get older. This is fact.

Momskick · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:20:13 PM »

This is very true. Not to say that the teams they are on are not Great. But I believe as the players get older they are in need of more of a challenge with the play. More progression....so to speak

yote19 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:46:16 PM »

I just think if you have the means and the child has the desire to go through ODP, every child should be reviewed by a competant ODP staff for their opportunities. Good luck to all if this is your desire.

Even if you don't have the means, I would hope the WSYSA could make this happen for the little dreamers.

Dragon · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:53:25 PM »

Quote from: "yote19"

I just think if you have the means and the child has the desire to go through ODP, every child should be reviewed by a competant ODP staff for their opportunities. Good luck to all if this is your desire.

Even if you don't have the means, I would hope the WSYSA could make this happen for the little dreamers.

Yeah, Dragon won't hold his breath :lol:

yote19 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2006, 04:55:45 PM »

me neither, but you can only hope

MadAboutSoccer · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:10:55 PM »

It is true about the coach who also does ODP getting more of their club into ODP. That is a sad fact. There is lots of talent out there that has not been noticed by the ODP program.

Two years ago there was a girl from the burlington area that was passed up in ODP by the staff. She just completed her freshman year at Yale and was one of their top scorers. Why did her talent go unoticed??? HUMMMMM

Momskick · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:11:11 PM »

:roll: :roll:

Momskick · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:14:57 PM »

Way back when when ODP were only "open try-outs " back in late 90's I took my son to an open ODP, He made it up through Regional...But he never would have had the opportunity if "we" didn't get him there. So parents need to be aware of the opportunities out there for their children and take advantage of as many as possible...

Dragon · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:22:25 PM »

Quote from: "Momskick"

Way back when when ODP were only "open try-outs " back in late 90's I took my son to an open ODP, He made it up through Regional...But he never would have had the opportunity if "we" didn't get him there. So parents need to be aware of the opportunities out there for their children and take advantage of as many as possible...

and dat exactly why Dragon doing this post :mrgreen:

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