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[easternwashington]

What clubs need some major help after week 5 of league play....

...could it be need new coaches.....not good enough showing by all their teams...need new doc....need new players....too high expectations for whole club and falling short...etc!

[yote19]

I will let others answer this before I say anything--I'm chicken

[Drfredc]

What clubs need some major help after week 5 of league play....

It would seem to me a more valid point to point out clubs whose success appears to be beyond their demographics.  

For example, I've noted that the Sun City Club seems to be putting out a decent array of teams given their very limited population draw.  They must be doing something right to come up with a growing number of p1 and p2 teams.  

However, if you must focus on the glass being half empty, I'd look at District 1 with it's pile of anticompetitive rules that work to promote balkanization of talent amongst lots of smaller clubs, to the joy of the parents who think they can evolve their small time club into a big time Crossfire competitor.  

The demographics would seem to support at least one top team in District 1 for each age group.  However, it seems to be a increasingly rare event these days.

Frequently, top players leave this BS for clubs outside the district that aren't restricted by these rules.  Or the talent ends up spread between two or three teams on different clubs that go no where special.

[vms]

Good point about Yakima (though they are looking like relegation material at BU15). The census says as of 2000, there were only 10000+ kids ages 10-19 in that town out of a population of 71000+. Compare that to the Eastside for example (Bellevue/MI/Issy/Sam) which has 24000 out of a total population of 180000(again from 2000 so these numbers are low) plus others from Renton, Kirkland, Redmond, woodinville though most of the latter 3 go to Xfire teams. Seems like a pretty good group of kids and coaches in YAkima given their population.

[duffer]

There all strogling they are all takeing more than they give back!you are all stuck now you have some clubs limiting teams some over charging some making rules so there kids stay on the a team Dads coaching there kids!moms worrie about play time kids not making practice parents not paying there bills and a state that can,t change the simplest thing with out Fing it up!Make it a free market let the talent  choise and see who comes out on top then you will have the best soccer washington has ever seen! Crossfire is smoke and mirrors Whintonpremeir is a mini monoply northshore is a dinasor westsound is a flop emerald city ---Fart noise and the list goes on!!! the closest thing to a real club is FC crush  you know Why peaple will still play for them and stay with them even when they have no home !! I'll bet theres not another club that could weather the storm they could! they are the mark that should be set learn you bunch of lemings learn!!Duffer knows all!! Limitng kids choises Is Crminal making up rules like the so called super clubs is  even stuppider Hey if you give me a club that can do it with out a coaching directo a paid coach and a cheap uniform who am I to say you should't!! only a fool would say you need to pay more to win!Thats just the smoke ! we all need the mirror to see the dumb arsess making this more than just a game!

[vms]

There all strogling they are all takeing more than they give back!you are all stuck now you have some clubs limiting teams some over charging some making rules so there kids stay on the a team Dads coaching there kids!moms worrie about play time kids not making practice parents not paying there bills and a state that can,t change the simplest thing with out Fing it up!Make it a free market let the talent  choise and see who comes out on top then you will have the best soccer washington has ever seen! Crossfire is smoke and mirrors Whintonpremeir is a mini monoply northshore is a dinasor westsound is a flop emerald city ---Fart noise and the list goes on!!! the closest thing to a real club is FC crush  you know Why peaple will still play for them and stay with them even when they have no home !! I'll bet theres not another club that could weather the storm they could! they are the mark that should be set learn you bunch of lemings learn!!Duffer knows all!! Limitng kids choises Is Crminal making up rules like the so called super clubs is  even stuppider Hey if you give me a club that can do it with out a coaching directo a paid coach and a cheap uniform who am I to say you should't!! only a fool would say you need to pay more to win!Thats just the smoke ! we all need the mirror to see the dumb arsess making this more than just a game!

Man what did you have for dinner to stir up all that bile?
 It's great fun to yell at the MAN but its a different story trying to change him.
We lemmings don't have much of a choice right now Duffer unless we  move to Europe.
Maybe you should run for office @ WSYSA so our grandkids can live your dream :lol:

[bird]

i don't know where you're from in easten washington (isn't it all the same anyway) EW, but how about the tri cities-three rivers clubs. it's a bigger population base than yakima, and you would think they would be able to put out some strong teams.

[juggles]

Perhaps another reason why the clubs in eastern washington aren't more competitive is the plethora of opportunities for spanish speaking kids to play in the spanish leagues which are literally a world apart from WSYSA.

[juggles]

Perhaps another reason why the clubs in eastern washington aren't more competitive is the plethora of opportunities for spanish speaking kids to play in the spanish leagues which are literally a world apart from WSYSA.

[yote19]

i don't know where you're from in easten washington (isn't it all the same anyway) EW, but how about the tri cities-three rivers clubs. it's a bigger population base than yakima, and you would think they would be able to put out some strong teams.

I don't think EW is from that side of the mountains now...but I don't think it matters as he is very knowledgable.  Good point on the Spanish speaking kids--if you could tap into that pipeline would be very good for any club

[vms]

I think EW is Squash.    They NEVER post on the same topic. And Squash has been conspicuously absent the last month or so and EW is back. Coincidence, hmmm  :lol:  :lol:

[Drfredc]

i don't know where you're from in easten washington (isn't it all the same anyway) EW, but how about the tri cities-three rivers clubs. it's a bigger population base than yakima, and you would think they would be able to put out some strong teams.

I don't think EW is from that side of the mountains now...but I don't think it matters as he is very knowledgable.  Good point on the Spanish speaking kids--if you could tap into that pipeline would be very good for any club

Snoh United's general experience with getting Spanish speaking kids into Club or Rec ball, even with some Spanish speaking coaches, has been less than encouraging so far.  

* Money is a issue, especially with higher end play.
* While there are exceptions,  they generally don't make the required commitments to show up for practices and games and volunteer help on a steady basis.  
* Transportation to practices and games can be a problem.  

  Currently, the Club seems to have taken a new approach by letting them show up and play amongst themselves at the Club fields.  Perhaps after a while, familiarity with the Club will ease up some of the other problems.  

IMHO, its probably a critical mass thing.  You need enough at any particular age group so they can pool their resources and commitments to make it work for them at the select soccer team level.  For all I know, this may be part of what is working for Sun City in Yakima.  

Also, anyone who has played at Snohomish Soccer Dome's higher end adult leagues has probably run into a couple of the Spanish  adult teams that frequent it's evening leagues.  Perhaps it's that way at other domes.  There are clearly some talented Spanish speaking soccer parents out there, at least in the Snoh neighborhood.  Who knows, for some, it may be that they have kids who aren't at select age groups just yet.

[vms]

i don't know where you're from in easten washington (isn't it all the same anyway) EW, but how about the tri cities-three rivers clubs. it's a bigger population base than yakima, and you would think they would be able to put out some strong teams.

I don't think EW is from that side of the mountains now...but I don't think it matters as he is very knowledgable.  Good point on the Spanish speaking kids--if you could tap into that pipeline would be very good for any club

Snoh United's general experience with getting Spanish speaking kids into Club or Rec ball, even with some Spanish speaking coaches, has been less than encouraging so far.  

* Money is a issue, especially with higher end play.
* While there are exceptions,  they generally don't make the required commitments to show up for practices and games and voluteer help on a steady basis.  
* Transportation to practices and games can be a problem.  

  Currently, the Club seems to have taken a new approach by letting them show up and play at the Club fields.  Perhaps after a while, familiarity with the Club will ease up some of the other problems.  

IMHO, its probably a critical mass thing.  You need enough at any particular age group so they can pool their resources and commitments to make it work at the select soccer team level.  For all I know, this may be part of what is working for Sun City in Yakima.  

Also, anyone who has played at Snohomish Soccer Dome's higher end adult leagues has probably run into a couple of the Spanish  adult teams that frequent it's evening leagues.  Perhaps it's that way at other domes.  There are clearly some talented Spanish speaking soccer parents out there, at least in the Snoh neighborhood.  Who knows, for some, it may that they have kids who aren't at select age groups just yet.

There is excellent talent in our Spanish kids @BU15 though the numbers are small save for Sun City.  Dynamo, Xfire ,WPFC and EFC all are (under)represented.I am sure other teams have one or two boys as well. But that's ridiculous given the increasing Spanish population that now exists in this State. The Yakima area has a high percentage  of Hispanic (33% of the population).   71000 people live in Yakima (220000 metro) so there is a concentration of Hispanic not found anywhere else in the State which averages 7.5%Hispanic.   Sun City has a higher % of Hispanic kids than other Clubs for obvious reasons.

HISPANIC OR LATINO AND RACE -2000 census
 Total population
 5,894,121
 100.0
 Hispanic or Latino (of any race)
 441,509
7.5%
 Mexican
 329,934
5.6%
 Puerto Rican
 16,140
 0.3
 Cuban
 4,501
 0.1
 Other Hispanic or Latino
 90,934
 1.5
 Not Hispanic or Latino
 5,452,612
 92.5
 White alone
 4,652,490
 78.9
 
 
There are no doubt enough quality Hispanic athletes who for a variety of reasons do not play  for WSYSA-sanctioned teams. Finances may restrict a broader representation in the Select/Premier clubs outside of SunCity. Language and travel are probably  key issues as well for some.  Why WSYSA has decided to not inquire about the barriers is uncertain.Seems a shame since many of the best Clubs in California have a huge Mexican/Spanish influence. playing at the highest level.
It is obvious that Soccer in WA has some shortcomings on many levels.

[Drfredc]

One of the problems getting the Hispanic ethic group involved in WSYSA soccer at the rec level, which leads up to select play, relates to the rules Clubs (and WSYSA) must operate by at the rec level.

Rec Teams are supposed to be randomly selected, which means you can't have a team of hispanic kids sign up and expect to play as a rec team.  To be able to select players for your team requires being a select team.  

There's a work around, let them sign up as a select hispanic team.  However, some districts, such as District 1, have silly rules limiting a club to two select teams.  This means there's no room for a hispanic select team to get involved in the Club, even if someone got motivated enough to set up a select hispanic team of some sort.  

In many ways, it's a very complex issue largely because various well intentioned rules and regulations at numerous organizational levels don't necessarily account for the square hispanic peg in a world designed around round holes and round pegs.  A good argument can be made that it's appropriate to require them to assimulate rather than remain isolated.

[duffer]

Man what did you have for dinner to stir up all that bile?
 It's great fun to yell at the MAN but its a different story trying to change him.
We lemmings don't have much of a choice right now Duffer unless we  move to Europe.
Maybe you should run for office @ WSYSA so our grandkids can live your dream :lol:[/quote]

So you agree but think it will never change?
Well your right I should run WSYSA you know the part that sucks is I'd get in there rock the boat piss peaple off get it doneThen a bunch of cowards would come in and ask me to step downTake the credit for all the changes and say I was way to impersonal and not PC and the state would just limp along half changed for the simple FACT that they would never have the Balls to stomach the hell I would raise making this a real soccer state!Trust me Been there DONE that!


Heres the speach they would give me after I get just enoght change for them to run it for another ten years or so with out a nother change!

Hey man thanks you did a good job you really got this going but man you really  pissed peaple off so were going to bring in some new blood to take us to the next leavel!these bunch of backward arss less that smart over paid none soccer thinkers would take my work sit on there hands were they would never make another forward thought As a matter of fact they would let some of my new programs slip a way !you know why SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!! LOL

[easternwashington]

3-Rivers and SunCity do a good job at the younger ages...they struggle when the kids get older.