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[Drfredc]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish Youth Soccer Association with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

[dogedog]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

[meluvsoccer]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

[ineedtogetalife]

I think some players would prefer to stick together as a full team then risk not making an Evergreen team (as a full team) now  that the possibility of many more talented kids will be at tryouts this year.

Should be about player development IMO, but to each's own. :roll:

[dogedog]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

At U12G Silver Lake has two teams both ague that they are A teams (Stars, Spirit), Evergreen has two teams (A,B) not sure Evergreen would carry 4 teams.

[yote19]

The problem with this realignment and consolidation of teams is that coaches and uberparents will let their egos get in the way and think that there entire team should stick together.  This will cause problems for the select team (premier) in not getting the top talent and be able to mold those players into a true premier team.

[Drfredc]

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

At U12G Silver Lake has two teams both ague that they are A teams (Stars, Spirit), Evergreen has two teams (A,B) not sure Evergreen would carry 4 teams.

It's my understanding that according to NCYSA rules, a single club can only have two teams at any age group.  Back when my BU16 son was a U11, Snohomish tried to have 3 teams and was shot down by NCYSA -- one team ended up playing up a year in rec.  Then they all got squeezed into two teams the next year.  What a (NCYSA caused) mess!  I don't wish that on anyone...

 It seems this new Evergreen/Silver Lake club will have to either join the new Snohomish Youth Soccer Association (or whatever it's called), NCYSA will have to change it's rules, or this new club will have lots of parents and children suffering thru the same ugly fate as my son's team went thru several years ago.  

Ideally, without any restrictions, it would seem the new club should  offer an academy setting of some sort (with four teams worth of players) where players can move around a bit to come up with the strongest teams possible.  Some may move up a year, some may find a better niche on another team in the same club, some may stay put with their current team.  It would pretty much depend upon how much any one player works to improve their game, which is as it should be,

BTW, it's likely the same mess will happen in Marysville/Lake Stevens/Granite Falls alignment, if that also comes to be.  There's lots of youthful exuberance in this area, far more than two teams per club can handle.

IMHO, it would seem it's the job of the adults to set up healthy environments where silly politics and rules don't get in the way of a short lived youth having the best opportunities available to them.

[yote19]

I heard that the Mountain Yaaks of Oroville are joining with Tonasket and Wauconda and bringing in the Johannsen Quadruplets from Omak to create an uber team that is going for P1 gold status next year :shock:

[cheese]

I heard that the Mountain Yaaks of Oroville are joining with Tonasket and Wauconda and bringing in the Johannsen Quadruplets from Omak to create an uber team that is going for P1 gold status next year :shock:

Don't forget about Lumas.  :roll:

You know about Tonasket?  :shock:

[Drfredc]

I heard that the Mountain Yaaks of Oroville are joining with Tonasket and Wauconda and bringing in the Johannsen Quadruplets from Omak to create an uber team that is going for P1 gold status next year :shock:

They'll probably run into a rule about it being illegal to have four players from the same family on the same P1 team.    :?

[Victory]

I heard that the Mountain Yaaks of Oroville are joining with Tonasket and Wauconda and bringing in the Johannsen Quadruplets from Omak to create an uber team that is going for P1 gold status next year :shock:

Wow at U-7 they had their own team

[extremesoccer]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

It depends on the age group and the coach. Similar discussion on the U11-U13 forum going on about this. At the GU-13 level they are combining the 3 teams. They are giving the A team to the SL A coach who has not done very good and does not have the success or a higher license than the proposed B team coach, who is supposedly a trainer and coach from Marysville and who is actually going to take on another Evergreen A team. The ESA team folded when their coach left, so that is why they decided to hire this guy. The SL B team coach must of got the boot, since based on this discussion, NCYSA says you can only have 2 teams. (now it is all starting to make sense) The SL B team is still in the quarterfinals of the Challenge Cup, so it is amazing they are even together knowing they won't have a team next year. It is rumored the SL B team is moving to Mukilteo and in this case, I probably would too. Politics I suppose.

I think they GU12 is salvageable because they, ESA, have a great A team either way. The GU13 seems to be the biggest problem because all 3 teams are mediocre at best and I would even go out on a limb and give the edge to the SL B team. Most of this information came from the GU11-GU13 forum

[meluvsoccer]

OK,
I can understand moving to a different club due to having more than 2 teams and the Association not allowing that.
Though, keeping a team together at such a young age is kind of near sighted.  Not many teams will stay together over the years.  I actually don't know of any (though there could be some).  

There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo.  Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.
All three are viable options, and, IMHO, better choices than going to Mukilteo.  You will not get the support, tryout numbers, or visibility you need in order to keep the team viable and competitive for the years to come.

[Just4Kicks]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

It depends on the age group and the coach. Similar discussion on the U11-U13 forum going on about this. At the GU-13 level they are combining the 3 teams. They are giving the A team to the SL A coach who has not done very good and does not have the success or a higher license than the proposed B team coach, who is supposedly a trainer and coach from Marysville and who is actually going to take on another Evergreen A team. The ESA team folded when their coach left, so that is why they decided to hire this guy. The SL B team coach must of got the boot, since based on this discussion, NCYSA says you can only have 2 teams. (now it is all starting to make sense) The SL B team is still in the quarterfinals of the Challenge Cup, so it is amazing they are even together knowing they won't have a team next year. It is rumored the SL B team is moving to Mukilteo and in this case, I probably would too. Politics I suppose.

I think they GU12 is salvageable because they, ESA, have a great A team either way. The GU13 seems to be the biggest problem because all 3 teams are mediocre at best and I would even go out on a limb and give the edge to the SL B team. Most of this information came from the GU11-GU13 forum

Not sure how you can give the edge to the SL B team.  I will give them applause for their accomplishments for making it to the quarterfinals in the Challenge Cup - though you look at their 2 wins both only 1-0 & their last game a 1-1 tie.  I know it only takes a 1 goal differential to win but it is not like they were strongly taking care of their opponents.  They did have a great first year together this current season.  But there is no way you can compare this team to their sister team or others that played up in State League vs the SL B team playing in District 1.  All will be found out when all teams head to LPT's  - then we will see who ends up being the strongest.  This will be the real indicator too, for the commotion going on at Evergreen, of really which team should be the A vs B - I'm sure there will be a switch in labeling after LPT's.  Continued good luck to the SL B team in the Challenge Cup and to all the teams that just got started in the Championship Cup.

[extremesoccer]

OK,
I can understand moving to a different club due to having more than 2 teams and the Association not allowing that.
Though, keeping a team together at such a young age is kind of near sighted.  Not many teams will stay together over the years.  I actually don't know of any (though there could be some).  

There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo.  Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.
All three are viable options, and, IMHO, better choices than going to Mukilteo.  You will not get the support, tryout numbers, or visibility you need in order to keep the team viable and competitive for the years to come.

NWN going through their 3rd coach in 3 years. Hmm!! nope, not an option. FCA new to PDL and their seems to be some problems internally at that age group. Snohomish is the only real choice, but they already have a great team. What is left? The small clubs, but they aren't the option because they aren't a PDL club, right?

Sounds like you are a big club fan. I understand! Let the small clubs take care of those players who can not afford the big club fees or the players the big clubs don't think meet their standards at the time of tryouts or those players that are too far to reach the big clubs. Got it! It doesn't matter if certain small clubs have a few good teams and a few good coaches who are willing to help or have helped these kids develop into great soccer players w/o getting the big club bucks.

If the big clubs really cared more about development than winning then they would not require winning as a way to enter their PDL. It is okay to set standards or requirements before joining the league, but to base it on how you placed in cups or how many P level teams you have had contradicts their "development" philiosophy. Small clubs should be allowed to join if they meet certain requirements as long as they exclude winning out of the equation. They should be required to have a coaching director, proper training etc...

It is all politics if you ask me.  Eliminate the competition to get more bucks. If you can't prove it based on results, eliminate the competition and players are forced to come your way or get out of your way. A lot of players will lose out on soccer if we eliminate the small clubs. think about it! Do we want soccer to grow in America?

Is football and basketball this way? Is that how these 2 sports grew to be so popular in America? I doubt it, it grew because we let kids play the sport and did not make it about money and winning.

[extremesoccer]

In Snohomish's North County area, there appears to be some interesting realignments and developments going on.  I'm not sure of all of the details but this seems to be what's in the cards via 1st-3rd hand info.  

  Snohomish Youth Soccer Club (aka Snohomish United) is dropping out of NCYSA with all of it's silly rules against larger clubs and forming it's own soccer association so that it can do what it needs to stay competitive with the larger Puget Sound Clubs outside of NCYSA.

  Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls may be combining forces/admins to come up with a more viable area club/team.

  The same may be going on with Silver Lake and Evergreen working together.  Perhaps Mulkiteo is in this mix...

  Much of this is a work in progress.  As noted above, some things are more definite than others, some are 2nd hand/3rd hand info, so take it all with a grain of whatever.

  Also, I'm not sure how this all pans out for one of the chief balkanizing forces in WA youth soccer known as NCYSA (North County Youth Soccer Association).  It seems if the NCYSA keeps some their current rules that pushed Snohomish United over the edge to their own association, some of these new club realignments might run into the same problems that Snohomish United has been bumping into for a couple years...   If NCYSA stays put, I guess the options for some of these new larger clubs might be to join Snohomish with it's more relaxed rules to promote competitiveness and drop out NCYSA.  

  It would seem something has to give -- Stay tuned...

Evergreen and Silver Lake is a done deal already announced.

U12G Silver Lake Spirit is considering joining Mulkiteo.

I agree North County needs to look at the rules established eons ago or lose more clubs.

If Silver Lake is now joined with Evergreen, why would a Silver Lake team go over to Mukilteo?  Do you not have a place in Evergreen?  I would think (though that is dangerous here since I don't know all the details), that being in Evergreen would be much better for development than going over to Mukilteo?

It depends on the age group and the coach. Similar discussion on the U11-U13 forum going on about this. At the GU-13 level they are combining the 3 teams. They are giving the A team to the SL A coach who has not done very good and does not have the success or a higher license than the proposed B team coach, who is supposedly a trainer and coach from Marysville and who is actually going to take on another Evergreen A team. The ESA team folded when their coach left, so that is why they decided to hire this guy. The SL B team coach must of got the boot, since based on this discussion, NCYSA says you can only have 2 teams. (now it is all starting to make sense) The SL B team is still in the quarterfinals of the Challenge Cup, so it is amazing they are even together knowing they won't have a team next year. It is rumored the SL B team is moving to Mukilteo and in this case, I probably would too. Politics I suppose.

I think they GU12 is salvageable because they, ESA, have a great A team either way. The GU13 seems to be the biggest problem because all 3 teams are mediocre at best and I would even go out on a limb and give the edge to the SL B team. Most of this information came from the GU11-GU13 forum

Not sure how you can give the edge to the SL B team.  I will give them applause for their accomplishments for making it to the quarterfinals in the Challenge Cup - though you look at their 2 wins both only 1-0 & their last game a 1-1 tie.  I know it only takes a 1 goal differential to win but it is not like they were strongly taking care of their opponents.  They did have a great first year together this current season.  But there is no way you can compare this team to their sister team or others that played up in State League vs the SL B team playing in District 1.  All will be found out when all teams head to LPT's  - then we will see who ends up being the strongest.  This will be the real indicator too, for the commotion going on at Evergreen, of really which team should be the A vs B - I'm sure there will be a switch in labeling after LPT's.  Continued good luck to the SL B team in the Challenge Cup and to all the teams that just got started in the Championship Cup.

I am only going off what they did this summer and what they continue to do. Again a slight edge and not a big edge. Since you are going off records and goals, in looking at like competition this summer, Freedom has a worse record than Lightning.  Also, heard Freedom recently lost to Xfire B 4-0 or 10-0 depending on who you ask. Xfire had a 1-1-1 record against Eastside White who recently tied Lightning 0-0.

Freedom recently tied Reign B team in state 1-1. 3-Rivers beat Reign 3-1 and 2-0 in PDL play, so that is why I gave Lightning the edge. I think Lightning also beat Whatcom Blue 1-0, while Freedom lost to them 3-1 in their last tournament. Again slight edge. I think Freedom has a lot of potential, just might need to make some personnel changes, like giving the A job to the Marysville trainer who holds a B license. Just my opinion and a few others who have said the same thing

I don't think Freedom will have to worry about who is the A or B team next year because it sounds like the SL B team has been dissolved and coach is going to Mukilteo. (All rumors, of course)

[Just4Kicks]

[quote

I am only going off what they did this summer and what they continue to do. Again a slight edge and not a big edge. Since you are going off records and goals, in looking at like competition this summer, Freedom has a worse record than Lightning.  Also, heard Freedom recently lost to Xfire B 4-0 or 10-0 depending on who you ask. Xfire had a 1-1-1 record against Eastside White who recently tied Lightning 0-0.

Freedom recently tied Reign B team in state 1-1. 3-Rivers beat Reign 3-1 and 2-0 in PDL play, so that is why I gave Lightning the edge. I think Lightning also beat Whatcom Blue 1-0, while Freedom lost to them 3-1 in their last tournament. Again slight edge. I think Freedom has a lot of potential, just might need to make some personnel changes, like giving the A job to the Marysville trainer who holds a B license. Just my opinion and a few others who have said the same thing

I don't think Freedom will have to worry about who is the A or B team next year because it sounds like the SL B team has been dissolved and coach is going to Mukilteo. (All rumors, of course)[/quote]



From my earlier responses I hope I am not misleading in anyway as I am not a supporter of Freedom - that is why I am totally surprised at how Evergreen could have ever alloted the Freedom Coach the "A" team.  Freedom does not have anything to worry about in regards to Lightning but I believe they better watch out for the "B" Coach at Evergreen.  That is what I meant earlier that I believe LPT's will get everything sorted out to who should be "A" vs "B".  

Thank you for pointing out the above statistics from season play & summer tournaments.  That just shows if players are looking to move to a new team, whether thats Evergreen, Mukilteo, Snohomish and so on, they should do a little homework and look at past accomplishments or lack of accomplishments of teams they are interested in trying out for.  

One other thing you mentioned that the "B" Coach at Evergreen has a B license.  I thought under his Bio on the Evergreen website it mentioned that he either has his A license or that he has passed steps in attaining an A license and will receive it soon.  Whatever the case the "B" Coach has an impressive bio & is listed as the "A" Coach for GU-11.  Looks like he should have the "A" team at GU-14 as well :lol: This seems to be the Coach I would have my DD tryout for at the Evergreen Club!!

[Drfredc]

.. There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo.  Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.

  Don't forget the potential future impact of Lake Stevens/Marysville/Granite Falls alliance.  If it works, it's likely to start at the younger ages.

  Currently, lots of teams at NWN, Snohomish, Evergreen and Silver Lake have players from this area.  More may start to stay home, or closer to home if good long coaching/team/club situations arises from this effort.  This in turn may attract folks from the outside as much as currently happens in the other way (from Lake Stevens/Marysville to the outside).  

 One thing that these consolidation efforts are likely to bump into is the virtual lack of a large practice facility for any of these new larger clubs.  Parents with a couple kids in one or another club are still likely to end up traveling around the various practice fields spread around the area to get their kids to and from practices.  Which brings one from the silliness of soccer parent politics to the realm of greenie Growth Management Act politics.

 It's my understanding the GMA has made it very difficult to impossible for any of these new clubs to acquire any local farm land for use in youth soccer, although there is plenty of it available.  The existing Snohomish Stocker fields are grandfathered (thru an unnecessarily painful process).   The County is unlikely to find the $ (or votes) to put in such targeted facilities and there really isn't much suitable land in their park 'bank' by their own admission.  There are no local park district's that match new or old soccer boundaries.

  Even with the ideal being moving from hip deep soccer doo to ankle deep doo, one better plan on breaking out the snorkel when venturing into land use/park politics in support of soccer fields for these clubs.

[humble]

There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo. Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.



I think something like this depends on the age. Next years Mukilteo GU-14 should be pretty good. If you look at the club as a whole I agree NWN, Evergreen or Snohomish is alot better as a "club" than Mukilteo. If I had a DD that was looking for a good GU-14 team up North I am looking at Snohomish & Mukilteo!! At other ages I am looking at Evergreen ,NWN or Snohomish. Not to sure about the new PPFC yet. Every once in a while these small clubs get 1 or 2 good teams at certain ages. I think the reason NWN had struggled a little bit at this age is because usually 4 or 5 Mukilteo players leave their struggling club and go to NWN & at this age has not happened yet. I think Snohomish moving out on their own was a fantastic idea as District 1 still has not figured it out. I still believe the PDL should be team based and not club based so some of these small clubs with good teams don't have to be swallowed up by PDL teams just to play good competition.

Girls teams at GU-13 up North Lynnwood to Marysville
#1 Snohomish
#2 Mukilteo
#3 Marysville
#4 NWN
#5 Silver Lake B
#6 Silver Lake A
#7 Evergreen

[Drfredc]

Is football and basketball this way? Is that how these 2 sports grew to be so popular in America? I doubt it, it grew because we let kids play the sport and did not make it about money and winning.

There's plenty of money in youth select football, basketball, hockey and baseball sports.  Politics too.  In fact, for most folks, select soccer has much less, not more, $ involved in it.

While somewhat of a thread drift, one of my pet peeves about the current youth soccer world is how, for the most part, kids tryout and contract to play for one team for an entire year.  This isn't so in other youth sports.  

Take youth hockey, for example,  A patient recently related to me how the goalie from his son's U10 team made the local all star team, in spite of their team finishing last in the league.

 This all star team will get together, practice and play a few matches with other all star teams from around the area (basically like Little League does on the way to the LL World Series).  Having a friend on the all star team may bring parents and kids from the 'home' team to watch their friend play -- they are developing something that is virtually lacking in youth soccer (and US soccer in general) -- Fans.  

 This sort of all star league also promotes something that is lacking in the typical youth soccer experience with it's annual player commitment to one team -- in this youth hockey league, top players on local teams who strive hard to constantly improve during their limited league season have the reward of making an star team.  Here they get a short team opportunity to play with and against higher level teams and players.  Then, when that's over, everyone gets a break to let kids be kids for a while with many returning to their home team in the next league opportunity.   Outside of ODP, this sort of stuff really isn't available under the USYSA model of player and sport development, especially for non-metro/ruralish teams where lots of WA talent resides (and withers).  

  There's several layers of this sort of stuff in youth hockey, culminating in professionally successful teen youth teams such as the Everett SilverTips, who are largely composed of High School aged kids with competition that is fully capable of filling big arenas with screaming fans...

[socrtaxi]

How can you say that there are problems at FCA at that age, do you have a child playing at that age? I havent seen any problems at that age either gender, there are quality coaches at this age level and FCA is a viable option. I agree with Meluv. why would you go to Mukilteo with no recognition. Snohomish is a viable option. FCA is a viable option, NWN is a viable option. All three are competitve clubs.

A note on the PDL. and being newly admited to it? huh. Its in its infancy, why would being the second group of teams to be admited to this league be a bad thing. Thats a good thing. NWN is in PDL, FCA is now in it and I think Snohomish is too.  Mukilteo isnt and doesnt have the quality, in my opinion, of coaches to develp a team to play at PDL or State league premier levels consistantly.

Just more stiring of the pot.

[nineteethree]

How can you say that there are problems at FCA at that age, do you have a child playing at that age? I havent seen any problems at that age either gender, there are quality coaches at this age level and FCA is a viable option. I agree with Meluv. why would you go to Mukilteo with no recognition. Snohomish is a viable option. FCA is a viable option, NWN is a viable option. All three are competitve clubs.

A note on the PDL. and being newly admited to it? huh. Its in its infancy, why would being the second group of teams to be admited to this league be a bad thing. Thats a good thing. NWN is in PDL, FCA is now in it and I think Snohomish is too.  Mukilteo isnt and doesnt have the quality, in my opinion, of coaches to develp a team to play at PDL or State league premier levels consistantly.

Just more stiring of the pot.

What do mean by recognition? My daughter played for a PDL team this year & I bet she did not get any more recognition than your daughter I am actually one of those parents who HATE PDL & what it is doing to youth soccer in Washington State. We had a great coach but I am telling you right now my daughter will NOT play for a PDL club next year!

[socrtaxi]

I am unsure about PDL too.
 :?

[Drfredc]

How can you say that there are problems at FCA at that age, do you have a child playing at that age? ...

A note on the PDL. and being newly admited to it? huh. Its in its infancy, why would being the second group of teams to be admited to this league be a bad thing. Thats a good thing. NWN is in PDL, FCA is now in it and I think Snohomish is too.  Mukilteo isnt and doesnt have the quality, in my opinion, of coaches to develp a team to play at PDL or State league premier levels consistantly.

Just more stiring of the pot.

Snohomish, NWN and Evergreen are PDL clubs to my knowledge.

 For all I know, if the Marysville/Lake Stevens thing works out, they may be wanting to do the same PDL thing, or perhaps they'll offer the local area option for those who don't want the PDL thing.  

As for stirring the pot, IMHO, (without knowing much of anything about Mukilteo's club or teams beyond their high quality BU17 district team that has a lot of orphaned area HS varsity players), it's always possible for this club to absorb themselves into Evergreen or NWN -- If they feel that's in their best interests.

[meluvsoccer]

OK,
I can understand moving to a different club due to having more than 2 teams and the Association not allowing that.
Though, keeping a team together at such a young age is kind of near sighted.  Not many teams will stay together over the years.  I actually don't know of any (though there could be some).  

There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo.  Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.
All three are viable options, and, IMHO, better choices than going to Mukilteo.  You will not get the support, tryout numbers, or visibility you need in order to keep the team viable and competitive for the years to come.

NWN going through their 3rd coach in 3 years. Hmm!! nope, not an option. FCA new to PDL and their seems to be some problems internally at that age group. Snohomish is the only real choice, but they already have a great team. What is left? The small clubs, but they aren't the option because they aren't a PDL club, right?

Sounds like you are a big club fan. I understand! Let the small clubs take care of those players who can not afford the big club fees or the players the big clubs don't think meet their standards at the time of tryouts or those players that are too far to reach the big clubs. Got it! It doesn't matter if certain small clubs have a few good teams and a few good coaches who are willing to help or have helped these kids develop into great soccer players w/o getting the big club bucks.

If the big clubs really cared more about development than winning then they would not require winning as a way to enter their PDL. It is okay to set standards or requirements before joining the league, but to base it on how you placed in cups or how many P level teams you have had contradicts their "development" philiosophy. Small clubs should be allowed to join if they meet certain requirements as long as they exclude winning out of the equation. They should be required to have a coaching director, proper training etc...

It is all politics if you ask me.  Eliminate the competition to get more bucks. If you can't prove it based on results, eliminate the competition and players are forced to come your way or get out of your way. A lot of players will lose out on soccer if we eliminate the small clubs. think about it! Do we want soccer to grow in America?

Is football and basketball this way? Is that how these 2 sports grew to be so popular in America? I doubt it, it grew because we let kids play the sport and did not make it about money and winning.

Boy, must have hit a nerve here  :twisted:

My comments have NOTHING to do with big club/little club. PDL or not.  My comments have to do with the comments about keeping a team together.  It will not happen at Mukilteo. As the players mature and realize what is out there and what Mukilteo provides, they will move to where the development and opportunities lie.  I have been around long enough to see that there are decent teams at Mukilteo. Usually at the younger ages.  But, as they get older, they start disbanding, or the better players leave and the rest continue with what they have.
I care about winning only due to it makes the season a little more fun.  I care about developing players and making sure that they play hard and have fun.  
Whether a team has gone through a coach every three years, whether you think there is internal problems or whatnot, does not make the choice any different.  You can decide. I just hope it works out the way you think it will.  That would be good for your daughter.  I just hope the team really thinks it through before trying to stick together as a team in a club that might not provide the same opportunties as other clubs (regardless of whether they are PDL or not).
I do have my biases. You CANNOT tell what they are based on this thread.  
Nobody is trying to eliminate the small clubs. Where have you seen or heard that.  There is and always will be a place for them.  As long as kids want to play select and there are clubs willing to let them, they can play.  It does not have to be in the PDL.  It just has to be where they can play, enjoy themselves and get out of soccer what they desire to get out of it.

Politics are in everything. I have not been involved in football or basketball, but I know people who have and they have as many politic stories (if not more) than soccer.  I have been involved in baseball. And there are politics there as well.  Everyone wants a slice of the pie and they all want just a little more.  Tough fact, but true.  Wish it was not about money and winning.  Wish it was about development and fun.  It is still that way in many places (even in the big clubs).  You just have to know where to find it.  And when you do, you have to cling to it and embrace it.

[My2cents]

Sounds like a bunch of parents / politicians on here trying to convince us Crazy CP's where to take our superstars next year-Gotta love it :roll:  

[extremesoccer]

OK,
I can understand moving to a different club due to having more than 2 teams and the Association not allowing that.
Though, keeping a team together at such a young age is kind of near sighted.  Not many teams will stay together over the years.  I actually don't know of any (though there could be some).  

There are definitely other options, though, then Mukilteo.  Not that you would be able to keep the team together, but you have Northwest Nationals, FCA and Snomohish right around the area where Silver Lake has their boundaries.
All three are viable options, and, IMHO, better choices than going to Mukilteo.  You will not get the support, tryout numbers, or visibility you need in order to keep the team viable and competitive for the years to come.

NWN going through their 3rd coach in 3 years. Hmm!! nope, not an option. FCA new to PDL and their seems to be some problems internally at that age group. Snohomish is the only real choice, but they already have a great team. What is left? The small clubs, but they aren't the option because they aren't a PDL club, right?

Sounds like you are a big club fan. I understand! Let the small clubs take care of those players who can not afford the big club fees or the players the big clubs don't think meet their standards at the time of tryouts or those players that are too far to reach the big clubs. Got it! It doesn't matter if certain small clubs have a few good teams and a few good coaches who are willing to help or have helped these kids develop into great soccer players w/o getting the big club bucks.

If the big clubs really cared more about development than winning then they would not require winning as a way to enter their PDL. It is okay to set standards or requirements before joining the league, but to base it on how you placed in cups or how many P level teams you have had contradicts their "development" philiosophy. Small clubs should be allowed to join if they meet certain requirements as long as they exclude winning out of the equation. They should be required to have a coaching director, proper training etc...

It is all politics if you ask me.  Eliminate the competition to get more bucks. If you can't prove it based on results, eliminate the competition and players are forced to come your way or get out of your way. A lot of players will lose out on soccer if we eliminate the small clubs. think about it! Do we want soccer to grow in America?

Is football and basketball this way? Is that how these 2 sports grew to be so popular in America? I doubt it, it grew because we let kids play the sport and did not make it about money and winning.

Boy, must have hit a nerve here  :twisted:

My comments have NOTHING to do with big club/little club. PDL or not.  My comments have to do with the comments about keeping a team together.  It will not happen at Mukilteo. As the players mature and realize what is out there and what Mukilteo provides, they will move to where the development and opportunities lie.  I have been around long enough to see that there are decent teams at Mukilteo. Usually at the younger ages.  But, as they get older, they start disbanding, or the better players leave and the rest continue with what they have.
I care about winning only due to it makes the season a little more fun.  I care about developing players and making sure that they play hard and have fun.  
Whether a team has gone through a coach every three years, whether you think there is internal problems or whatnot, does not make the choice any different.  You can decide. I just hope it works out the way you think it will.  That would be good for your daughter.  I just hope the team really thinks it through before trying to stick together as a team in a club that might not provide the same opportunties as other clubs (regardless of whether they are PDL or not).
I do have my biases. You CANNOT tell what they are based on this thread.  
Nobody is trying to eliminate the small clubs. Where have you seen or heard that.  There is and always will be a place for them.  As long as kids want to play select and there are clubs willing to let them, they can play.  It does not have to be in the PDL.  It just has to be where they can play, enjoy themselves and get out of soccer what they desire to get out of it.

Politics are in everything. I have not been involved in football or basketball, but I know people who have and they have as many politic stories (if not more) than soccer.  I have been involved in baseball. And there are politics there as well.  Everyone wants a slice of the pie and they all want just a little more.  Tough fact, but true.  Wish it was not about money and winning.  Wish it was about development and fun.  It is still that way in many places (even in the big clubs).  You just have to know where to find it.  And when you do, you have to cling to it and embrace it.

No nerve hit and dd does not play for Mukilteo. Just protecting the small clubs knowing that they are necessary. I understand that politics are everywhere, but soccer is so knew that eliminating choices is the wrong thing to do for such a young sport in America

[monday]

Maybe in the South end it is easier to move from team to team.  In the North end geography as related to peak traffic conditions cause problems.   Anyone who has had tournament in Snohomish would concur.   On paper it's easy to move from Mukilteo to say FCA.  But in reality it might as well be on the moon unless you have a very high tolerance for setting in traffic.

[Drfredc]

Maybe in the South end it is easier to move from team to team.  In the North end geography as related to peak traffic conditions cause problems.   Anyone who has had tournament in Snohomish would concur.   On paper it's easy to move from Mukilteo to say FCA.  But in reality it might as well be on the moon unless you have a very high tolerance for setting in traffic.

There's a lot of geographic hinderances (mostly rural dedicated land and flood plains) to N Snohomish County that have been largely resolved in much of the South end.

That said, there's several back routes to Snohomish such as the River Road from Everett to Snohomish that make it a lot easier to get to for those who know their way around to get there from Everett.  Marysville <=> Snohomish also has some nice shortcuts.  For all I know, there's similar back route options to a FCA <=> Mulikteo soccer commute.  

As far as traffic goes, one thing about a Marysville/Lake Stevens merge with it's rapid population growth, is it's also likely to yield quick results because of it's proximity to rapidly growing Granite Falls and Arlington communities. With a decent large local club, it may not be long before lots more homegrowns from this area stay near home and teams from here start to climb upwards in soccer excellence.  Unlike many established mature Puget Sound communities, this area is way over ripe with young families with 1000s of younger than U11 kids.

 Now that there may be several large clubs forming in the area, with good management, the biggest remaining hurdle would seem to be is to figure is is where to play.

Both Evergreen/SilverLake and Marysville/LakeStevens are in close proximity to lots of flat fallow farmland.  If they can figure out how to tweak the silly GMA rules to acquire land for a couple large home soccer complexes, they'll both be set for the long term.

[vms]

Maybe in the South end it is easier to move from team to team.  In the North end geography as related to peak traffic conditions cause problems.   Anyone who has had tournament in Snohomish would concur.   On paper it's easy to move from Mukilteo to say FCA.  But in reality it might as well be on the moon unless you have a very high tolerance for setting in traffic.

Hmmm...try car pooling. 3 kids from Sammamish and 1 from Tacoma make the trek to Dynamo practice 4 times a week through rush hour 405/I-5 traffic to Lynnwood (I don't have to drive fortunately...thank you honey!!) and ALL games are essentially AWAY games for us.Other clubs have kids in similar situations like Xfire . So geography DOES NOT have to be an issue if you want your kid to play Premier or PDL or whatever.